Who would you rather ban from the plane: jumbo passengers — or junior?

It’s come down to this: The two most annoying airline passenger types in the world are travelers who can’t fit in their seat and screaming babies, at least according to you.

Don’t you think it’s time for a runoff election?

In case you’re wondering how we got here — other than the fact that this Wednesday feature is called “That’s ridiculous!” — here’s the backstory: Last month, my editor and I got into a discussion on Twitter about annoying passengers. We asked for nominations and whittled it down to a few finalists. The top two were kids and XL fliers, and so here we are.

This isn’t an easy decision.

Let’s start with reader Will Smith’s argument that oversized travelers represent the biggest problem on a plane. It isn’t just that they are in your personal space, but that they pose a safety risk, he says.

“If they cannot fit through the escape hatches over the wings, then they could block an exit for others while trying to fit through,” he says. “Some of them would have trouble getting down the aisle and fitting between the seats to get to the wing exits. It would seem that the FAA should have an interest in preventing this type of situation.”

In other words, don’t just cast your vote because jumbo passengers push you out of your seat, but because they could block your way when you need to get out.

I think the safety argument is the most compelling one for giving large passengers your vote. Oh, I know that there are some well-meaning folks on the other side of this debate who believe their size should be considered a disability, but when it comes to evacuating a plane during an emergency, most passengers are less concerned with hurting someone else’s feelings than, well, being hurt.

By the way, I’m told government regulators have an interest in fitting everyone safely into their seats, but enforcement is left almost entirely to the airlines.

Screaming infants, on the other hand, are a never-ending source of controversy. Over the years, passengers have written to me with all kinds of suggestions for dealing with children that won’t shut up, including sedating them with Benadryl, threatening them or their parents, moving them to a special “kids-only” section in the back of the plane and yes, banning them entirely — if not from the flight, then at least from first class.

Toddlers and young children can also present a safety hazard, which is why they aren’t allowed in emergency exit rows. Plus, there’s the whole hygiene issue — diapers, sticky fingers, drool. Little ones quickly turn the interior of an aircraft into a bacteria farm.

Jayne Hanlin, who pushed the “babies” button in the previous poll, tells the story of her recent 12-hour flight from Auckland to Los Angeles.

“There was a screaming infant most of the night,” she recalls. “The mother was standing up rocking the baby, not gently, most of the night, but that didn’t work.”

Finally the flight attendant passed out ear plugs, but those didn’t eliminate the noise.

“I do not want to sound mean-spirited, but this constant screaming made it very difficult to rest,” she says. “On the other hand, my seatmate wasn’t oversized.”

I heard from a lot of parents after the previous poll, and many of them suggested the passengers around them (and especially me) just don’t understand what it’s like to fly with a baby.

Kids often can’t help themselves, they said. When they’re hungry, they cry. When their ears hurt, they cry. When they’re scared, they cry.

And then there’s always this argument: You were once a baby. What if your parents had left you at home?

Actually, that one is the least persuasive to me. When I was a few months old, I probably would have been fine skipping that transatlantic trip, although I’ll admit I now have some neat pictures of me with my parents on a Pan Am flight from New York to Munich.

Of course, we’ll never be able to remove babies or big passengers from the plane. But what if we could?

Which one would you choose?

(Photo: Domi riel/Flickr)

  • Bill Armstrong

    Airlines should enforce rules.  There should be rules of conduct (especially for business/first class cabins) which need to be adhered to.  People pay extra money for business class so they can rest and not fall asleep at the wheel when they arrive at their destination.  People who are parental failures shouldn’t be allowed to have their demonspawn in an upgraded cabin.  There are lots of places in this world that are adults only and there’s a reason for that.

    Airlines should track people with bad kids.  They already track bad adults.  There are lots of good kids but certainly lots where you know they should not be on a plane.

    As for the “fat people”, it should be a rule that they can sit in the seat with the armrests down and not using up another person’s space.  I liked the suggestion where the airlines should have some larger seats and charge say 30% more for them.  That would solve the problem in a lot of ways, although how many of these seats should be on a plane, and should people who aren’t fat be allowed to buy them?

    Finally, enforce the carry on luggage rules.

  • Sonia Vining

    Artemisia Jones said:

    “I have a lot of sympathy for extra large people (it’s not really a choice, you know?)” 

    To which you, flutiefan, replied:

    “it’s not really a choice?! oh i just had a good laugh.”

    What exactly did you mean, if not that overweight people are choosing to be that way?

    I realize that you feel uncomfortable doing the job that your employer expects you to do, asking people if they think they’ll fit in one seat.  I do not condone your employer shifting that thankless job to you.  What I *do* hold you responsible for are your remarks in this forum.  I do not think that hiding behind the anonymity of a screen name makes it okay to post ignorant, hurtful comments.

    Perhaps if you really feel that uncomfortable confronting people that obviously are choosing to be overweight, you should request a position at ticketing to avoid this problem.

  • Anonymous

    oh, jeeeez Sonia. the statement was: “I have a lot of sympathy for extra large people (it’s not really a choice, you know?)” 

    To which i replied:

    “it’s not really a choice?! oh i just had a good laugh.”

    The original statement encompassed ALL overweight/”extra large” people; the writer did NOT qualify the statement, which paints it with broad strokes. i wrote that i “laughed” because it’s absolutely ABSURD to claim that all oversized people have zero choice.

    please learn how to read actively, instead of immediately becoming defensive. and for the record, my employer requires anonymity on websites such as these. i said nothing “hurtful”, nor “ignorant”. in fact, i just said that it’s hard to approach these larger customers, and that it’s laughable to think that no overweight person has a choice to be that way.

    (also, i DO WORK AT TICKETING! and guess who is required to question the overweight people if that is the 1st point that we see them?!)

    And this will be the LAST time i give you any more response on the subject. good day, ma’am.