Why won’t Princess refund my sick cruise to nowhere?

Jim Sullivan’s family cruise vacation on the Crown Princess took a turn for the worse when the ship suffered a Norovirus outbreak in February. That’s hardly uncommon; we’ve had seven reported cases this year, according to the Centers for Disease Control. But Sullivan thinks this one was mishandled so badly by Princess that he’s entitled to a refund.

It was supposed to have been a special occasion for his family — perhaps the last real vacation with his father, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s. They wanted a memorable cruise, but not this kind of memorable.

On Feb. 3, his travel agent phoned to say the Crown Princess was returning to port with “many sick passengers” and that there would be a delay in the ship’s departure from Fort Lauderdale because the ship needed to be sanitized. It cast off six hours later than expected.

The scene on the ship was unsettling: Employees wore surgical masks to prevent infection and served buffet meals with latex gloves. Biohazard bags were “strewn” throughout the ship. And the captain made numerous announcements requesting “diarrhea and vomit samples” from infected passengers.

Sullivan says the Crown Princess skipped the first port of call in the Bahamas because of its late departure, and on Feb. 7, the day they were supposed to arrive in Curacao, the captain announced the ship was “still infected” and that they were canceling the rest of the cruise. Princess refunded his cruise fare (but not his tips and incidents) and booked his family’s flights home. He considers that to be only a partial refund. (I updated this paragraph to clarify what he means by “partial refund.”)

But not before his brother-in-law got sick.

“This cruise should never have left Fort Lauderdale,” he says. “If they had canceled the cruise before we departed, it would have been less stressful than what we experienced on this ship for 4 1/2 days with nothing to do — we didn’t reach one port of call. We would have gladly rebooked for another cruise.”

Requests for a full refund from Princess and a claim with his travel insurance company were rejected. The policy didn’t cover outbreaks as a trip interruption, which technically, this would have been. In a letter sent to Sullivan, a Princess representative said his situation had been “properly” addressed and that “no further refund or compensation will be forthcoming” from the company.

Princess is right. According to its passage contract, it could sail out into the middle of the ocean with a ship filled with Ebola patients, and it would still be fulfilling its contract. But that doesn’t mean it’s right.

On the other hand, Sullivan’s request for a full refund, including all incidentals and airfare, may be too rich. There must be some middle ground. But apparently we are not going to find it on this grievance.

I thought I would ask Princess to review this case one more time, to see if it would consider helping Sullivan recover part of the cost of his vacation. It didn’t respond to him or to me, and I now have no choice but to put this into the “case dismissed” file.

  • travelagentman

    Every passenger going anywhere should travel with trip cancellation / inteuption insurance. All would then be right financially.

  • Nigel Appleby

    And medical coverage. Have a cruise messed up and you are out say $10,000 but have a heart attack with no medical coverage and you could be out hundreds of thousands of dollers.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    Check the story. He had a policy that didn’t cover interruption due to Noro outbreak

  • Michael__K

    But we’re sick and tired of passengers who have the nerve to share in that hope (and expectation) that those goals are achieved.

  • twres

    I don’t actually think the OP is acting too entitled. A cruise is known to be a vacation experience. It is something you plan ahead for, and not a spur of the moment road trip. You take a week of vacation days off from work. You probably buy a new bathing suit and travel incidentals. You get excited about your ports of call (swimming with the dolphins! golfing on the beach!). Now imagine you set sail only to not make any of your destinations and spend just a few days on the ship before turning around. What a disappointment that is, not to mention a huge vacation disruption. Even if you had some enjoyable days on board the ship, you don’t get those vacation days back that you took off, and you don’t get the excitement of visiting the scheduled ports of call. This was not the vacation that you purchased and did not nearly live up to expectations.

    We don’t know how much the cruise line offered in compensation, but since they did not provide the vacation promised (through no fault of the passenger) they should compensate them well.

  • bodega3

    Nothing in life is guaranteed.  How you handle the bumps can often make or break your vacation.  What I want to know is if the OP was offered the chance to cancel when his TA was notified of the condition onboard the inbound sailing and if so, why didn’t he take it?  As I posted, he was given his money back, his air covered to get home and future cruise credit as the ‘goal’ wasn’t met.  Why does he think he needs Chris’ help?

  • SooZeeQ

    yikes – have no clue why my email response would how up here – sorry!

  • KarlaKatz

     Ditto!  The moment I’d received a call about an infection on the previous sailing, I’d have said “ciao, baby”, and called my agent, before heading to a nice hotel in Lauderdale.

  • emanon256

     OMG Thank you for saying this!!!

  • bodega3

    Yes we do know the compensation, I posted a link to it.

    BTW, in the T&C’s no port of call is guaranteed on any cruise line. 

  • Michael__K

    My comment was in response to Carolyn’s gripe.
     
    I’m as confused as everyone else about the OP’s circumstances here.  Media reports say all passengers got 100% refunds and free flight changes; article implies otherwise.

  • MarkKelling

    Every trip I take is a “once in a lifetime” trip, I am on a fixed income (can’t get a bigger paycheck just because), and every dollar I spend on anything is hard earned.

    People need to get over the fact that no one is more special than anyone else.

  • Kate Tyminski

    Makes me really leery of taking a cruise again if this is the way the passengers are treated. The ship should not have left port in that condition.
    I find it interesting that a “sick” is allowed to leave port and infect other passengers. There should be regulations against this practice.They wold never put these sick people affected by this flue in a room w other well people on shore so why is it allowed on ship. 

  • TonyA_says

    I’m befuddled.  If Chris Elliott says:

    Princess is right. According to its passage contract, it could sail out into the middle of the ocean with a ship filled with Ebola patients, and it would still be fulfilling its contract.

    Then why do many people still insist in cruising if the contract is supposed to be quite “onerous”?

    If you buy something knowing those terms and conditions, then you’re screwed if something goes wrong. Since you don’t have a LEGAL foot to stand on, you now invoke MORALITY to try get something back. You scream “But that doesn’t mean it’s right“, if things don’t go your way.

    How about a more simple approach. If you don’t like the terms and conditions of cruise lines, then DON’T CRUISE.

  • TonyA_says

    My Mama told me not to listen to and read ads before I even learned to read. Thanks Mom.

  • http://twitter.com/cjbnc cjbnc

    Hope you had your “cancel for any reason” trip insurance booked. Otherwise, you’ll have even less luck getting your refunds.

  • gritchie

    Harry’s Hellhole? Now that’s funny! I would HAVE to try a place called Harry’s Hellhole. Thanks for the smile. :-)

  • Lindabator

    Not necessarily – the sick are confined to quarters, and I’ve sailed when there was an outbreak, and although we did no about it, never saw anything on our end.  And still had time to swim, gamble, go to shows….

  • Lindabator

    Hardly – they are cleared or not by the CDC, so they do take all the proper steps – but it can at times STILL be a problem – Disney World closed for a day a couple years ago because THEY tried to sanitize several times, and new folks kept bringing it in (I know Raven will love that one!), and the Beaches Turks & Caicos has just had the same problem.

  • Lindabator

    At which point you would be SOL – full cancellation penalties at that time, and no recourse, even with insurance.

  • Lindabator

    They were cleared by the CDC – so they didn’t “gamble” – they just had a bigger problem then the 2nd sailing could handle – and when they realized it, they returned to do a more thorough job.  Good call on their part.

  • Lindabator

    CDC

  • Lindabator

    I had recalled that as well – wonder what the real story is here?

  • Lindabator

    Hate to throw a wet towel on you, but Disney World closed for a day a couple years ago due to the virus, and Beaches Turks & Caicos had a terrible time recently.  It happens EVERYWHERE – but under the Maritime Laws, cruise ships are required to give a head count of ALL sick on the ship before arriving into port – that’s why we hear about it – when you see it happen in Cancun, no one thinks twice about it.

  • Lindabator

    That’s why THEY serve – no “true” buffet service – gloves, and even masks as needed – plus sanitizing gel for EVERYONE when entering a dining area.  But some folks STILL go when they don’t feel well because they don’t want to lose the money they spend on their trip – so we all have to instead!  :)

  • Lindabator

    Not the time of year for these outbreaks, hon.  And hand gel is at the entrance to ALL dining areas, just an FYI.  (Norovirus season is fall-spring)

  • Lindabator

    Funny enough, I have my clients write up their complaints, give them to me, and I re-write their letters for them, and include my cover letter.  What I do is make a small note of their circumstances to lead, get to the 1-2 problems, and then ASK for what I think is fair, thereby giving them a do–able option .  Works like a charm!

  • Lindabator

    Once CDC clears it, they are good to go – if (and when) the CDC states otherwise, they go nowhere.  (And it has happened)

  • Lindabator

    Actually, since Princess was footing the bill for the return flights, AND refunding the non-used travel dates, his insurance was not going to pay him anything, as the client had ALREADY been reimbursed for the trip interruption – I think that is where the problem lies.  I think he wated a full refund from both!  HAHA 

  • Lindabator

    So they should GUARANTEE to stop at a port of call?  Nice choice in a hurricane!

  • Lindabator

    ???  If you don’t think people in Senior Centers, kids in school and FOLKS IN RESORTS are not affected, you don’t know too much about the virus.  Happens every year like clockwork.  But since only cruise ships need to regularly report on the number of ill patrons, we only hear about them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    no, we are not.  Our income, in real dollars, has the possibility of rising.  A senior on a fixed income doesn’t.

  • MarkKelling

    Social Security recipients got a larger percentage raise this year than I did.  So how “fixed” is their income?

    (True the actual dollars I got was more than the maximum SS recipient got, but my income is just as fixed as theirs.)

  • lorcha

    Yeah, I have to say, reading Chris has definitely improved my complaining skills when things go sour. 

    In my house, it’s usually Mrs. Lorcha who has the complaints, but for some reason, she’s never had a complaint weigh in at under 2 full pages! Needless to say, she doesn’t get good results, so I rewrite them before sending them off. 

  • Michael__K

    Even if Princess reimbursed nothing — if the brother-in-law wasn’t sick enough for a physician to advise him to return home — what policy has a Covered Reason that would apply to an interruption by the operator because of Norovirus?

  • Joe_D_Messina

    If crew had to wear masks, there were biohazard bags in plain site and announcements were being made for vomit samples, I’d say it was a gamble.  It’d be one thing if things had started out normal but it sounds like everything was a mess from the moment they boarded.

    I feel for these people because that’s really a no-win situation. They likely knew nothing about the masks and other stuff before boarding so they had nothing to go on other than Princess telling them things were going to be fine.  And had they skipped–which it turns out would have been a prudent move–they’d have lost any opportunity to get their money back.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    These would be incredibly boring letters if no details were included. Just one case after another of simple facts:  3 people took cruise, interrupted for some reason, what refund is fair…  Might as well send Chris on vacation and have a robot determine the answer.

    The details don’t necessarily impact what is owed, but it certainly makes a difference from a human interest perspective if they cruised a couple times a year and this was just another one, as opposed to its their only cruise ever and is probably the last chance for a nice vacation with a loved one.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Even if they were given a chance to cancel, I doubt they had enough info to make an informed decision.  Princess says they’ve cleaned the ship and they’re just leaving a few hours late, probably no info is shared regarding crew wearing masks, etc.  They have a loved one deteriorating and probably don’t want to try and reschedule unless they absolutely have to. They’e over a barrel with nothing to go on but Princess saying everything is going to be okay. I agree the compensation sounds pretty decent, but it was clearly a horrible experience and in the ideal world it sounds to me like they shouldn’t have sailed in the first place.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Have to agree with @Lindabator:disqus   I regularly visit a senior center on Sunday mornings to bring them Communion from church, so I pay attention to local Norovirus news.  Last winter, I read that 2 centers in the Omaha area ended up being quarantined to their rooms for 36 hours; no visits to/from the outside.  A couple of parochial schools got shut down right after that because of increasing absentee rates, so that the schools could be thoroughly disinfected.  Douglas County Health Department signed off on the clean up.  Then they had to do it all over again a week later.  Why?

    Even though they were all told about the signs of infection, about hand-washing, etc, etc, etc., the people in the senior living centers and the school kids kept re-infecting one another.  The places would clean up and then the sick someone who didn’t want to miss the paid-for meal or social activity or the child who was “well enough for school” would come, mingle and off they went again.

    Point?  You can clean up something all you want (ship, school, senior living center), but the Norovirus can quickly re-establish itself once a new vector comes along.  Personally, I’m amazed that a huge ship can be disinfected with an additional 6 hours’ dock time, but I don’t know what resources Princess had to accomplish the task.  CDC signed off on the clean-up.  What more should Princess have done?

  • Michael__K

    What % of the passengers understand how weak their legal rights are?

    If you think about it, we all expect and depend on morality (with no legal standing) in every small piece of our every day lives.  Whether we’re asking for directions or standing in line or using an elevator or ordering a sandwich — there are so many norms and expectations we take for granted that have no legal basis.

    And many successful businesses become that way by developing a brand that people associate with delivering far more than the legal minimum that is required of them.

  • twres

     Yes, if a port of call is on the cruise itinerary I believe they have an obligation to take passengers there.  That is what was advertised and what was purchased after all.  If they cannot deliver then the passengers should be compensated for not receiving what was expected.  A hurricane is special because you can see one coming a week away and can adjust your plans accordingly.  In this case the passengers had no warning that their vacation would be so disrupted.

  • bodega3

    They have zero obligation and if you pay for a cruise, you accept the T & C’s.  Now of course they want to get you to your ports of calls, but ports of calls won’t let them disembark passengers from a sick vessel.

  • bodega3

    And whose responsiblity is it is to inform you of your rights as a passenger?  The passenger.  Just like driving your car.  You are required to know the laws.  Ignorance is no excuse.  Need help?  Go to a professional.

  • jikinn

    After reading so many articles on Chris’s site about cruise lines being able to take your money and deliver anything they want without penalty to them, I don’t think I’ll ever take a cruise. It’s way too much of a gamble.

  • Lindabator

    Ridiculous!  In cases of last minute strikes, a criminal event, safety concerns due to weather, etc – they HAVE to be able to make changes as needed – I suppose you EXPECT your flight time to be exact as well, regardless of the weather conditions or state of the aircraft – that is why all common carriers have a carriage of contract releasing them from such guarantees – they make no sense – and some people think they HAVE to be guaranteed, which they could care less about the risks in a lot of cases, but I guarantee you the cruise line does take note.

  • TonyA_says

    Even school cafeterias are commonplace for this NOROVIRUS. It only takes one sick a**hole to cough at, sneeze at, or touch a common food service area and infect it and then the others spread it like wildfire.

    I don’t know how a cruise line can prevent an outbreak if there are thousands of possible (infection) vectors. The one to blame is the sick passenger who cruises (and the sick kid who goes to school). The cost of an outbreak must be tremendous. You throw away everything, quarantine the ship and disinfect it. No one makes money and pity the crew since they are relying on TIPS to send money to their families overseas.

    Maybe the TSA should inspect passengers for NOROVIRUS before boarding a ship :-)

  • Michael__K

    I suppose you won’t support Raven when he has to vacate that premium aisle seat he paid for in advance and he doesn’t get his money back?

    What’s funny is that travel professionals frequently emphasize that the vendor will in fact do things that aren’t legally mandatory.

  • Elmo Clarity

    I don’t think it is that big of a gamble.  If a cruise line developed a reputation of not going where they advertised, they would be out of business pretty quick.  They are going to try to make all scheduled ports if at all possible.

  • Elmo Clarity

    I agree that the cruise lines need the ability to make changes at the last minute.  However, those changes should be to reasons beyond their control.  But according to the T&C, they can skip one for any reason they want.  It is that ability that people feel shouldn’t be allowed.

  • Elmo Clarity

    Oh great.  Just want we need.  Another TSA protocol.  ”Drop your pants, bend over, and say AHHHH”

    ;)