What to do when your airline tells you to shut up

Ryan Ludtke’s family vacation in Fort Myers, Fla., ended on a bad note when they flew back to Chicago on Spirit Airlines.

Oh, I know what you’re thinking: Of course it did. He was flying on Spirit Airlines.

But that’s beside the point. His return flight took him, his wife, four-year-old daughter and 18-month old son via a circuitous route, making a connection in Atlantic City. The family’s flight to the Windy City was canceled for reasons that were unclear — one crewmember said there was a mechanical problem, another said it was the weather in Chicago.

The next available flight out of Atlantic City wasn’t until two days later, and Spirit said Ludtke’s family would be responsible for all of their own expenses. Ludtke decided to rent a car, drive to LaGuardia airport, and catch the next Spirit flight to Chicago, running up a tab of $294.

He asked Spirit to cover his expenses. The response was vintage Sprit: It told him “no compensation or reimbursement is provided when flights are delayed or canceled due to weather” and then it added a phrase that I’ve begun to see with greater frequency these days.

“Even though you may disagree with our position,” it said, “there will be no further correspondence regarding this issue.”

In other words, shut up.

“I believe our original flight was canceled due to mechanical failure,” says Ludtke. If Spirit were a legacy airline, federal law would require it to cover his lodging and meal expenses and put him on the next available flight. But the airline’s contract of carriage gives it an out, forcing him to pay his own bills and endure a “long night with two little ones.”

I feel for him. I have three little ones, and as a consumer advocate specializing in travel issues, I’ve seen airlines fudge their reasons for a delay to weasel out of covering passengers’ expenses. Mostly, though, I’m bothered by Spirit’s hard “no” — a “no” that it wouldn’t reverse, even if I asked.

Spirit isn’t alone. When Chris Burr complained to US Airways about an involuntary downgrade on a flight from San Juan to Boston, the airline quickly grew tired of the back-and-forth. It offered him a 5,000-mile credit, which he didn’t think was sufficient.

“After thorough research of your travel records and our flight logs, I have found no reason to alter the original resolution,” a representative wrote. “We understand your frustration. We are considering this matter closed and there will be no further correspondence pertaining to this issue.”

“Looks like I’ve reached the end,” he told me.

Well, not exactly. When an airline tells you to shut your trap, you still have options.

Contact the cops. That would be the Transportation Department’s office of Aviation Consumer Protection and Enforcement. Airlines are federally regulated, and these are the regulators. If you can cite the rule being violated, DOT’s airline cops can ask the airline about the case, and if the carrier acted improperly, they can either penalize it or pressure it into compensating you.

Take them to court. If the compensation you’re looking for is below the small-claims court limit, you can talk to a judge about your problem. Anything above the small claims limit needs to go to a federal court, which is typically out of reach of the average passenger. One little caveat: While the airline might not bother to send a lawyer to small claims court, and lose by default, collecting can be problematic. I get a fair amount of requests from passengers who aren’t sure where to send the claim.

Call me. Normally, when I see the phrase “no further correspondence” it is, indeed, a lost cause. But not always. Here’s my email address. Although I can’t recall the last time that a hard “no” was overturned by yours truly, I will never give up. If I think there’s a strong case, I’ll mediate it.

Bottom line: Telling a customer to shut up — even if it’s an airline — is problematic. It is almost better to not respond to an email, and to let your silence speak for itself, than to instruct a customer to zip it.

Not only is it rude, but it also speaks volumes about how a company feels about the people who keep it in business.

  • TonyA_says

     Woke up are read this article on my tablet before going down to get coffee. The jug was empty, waited for a new pot. (Used Dunkin whole beans and ground it.)  Fired up the laptop. Quickly searched and found the flight NK936.  Looked up history at Flightaware showing possible problems at 6JUN and 21MAY. Realized later that the flight had a stop in ACY where the problem actually happened at 6MAY (later post by Elliott). But the dates 6JUN and 21MAY got stuck in my mind already. So I kept on searching for the wrong date!
    I should have not simply looked at RSW-ORD since the airline departed RSW without a problem and landed ACY on time. From there it got stuck. Too late for coffee, I got it screwed up already. The correct search should have been the ACY-ORD segment on 6MAY only.
    Good think I wasn’t booking this trip. :-)

  • TonyA_says

    This is exactly the reason why Chris Elliott should have asked Spirit what they did to reaccommodate the [probably] more than 100 or so passengers who where on the same flight with the OP. I venture to guess that MAJORITY of the passengers took what Spirit gave them and did not go to the extent of renting a car and driving to another airport. For all you know, most were bused to other airports or another plane was sent it the next day.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    You’re right. I’ve fixed the story to reflect it. I should really read the contract of carriage more often. Federal law only requires a carrier to follow its contract, but doesn’t tell an airline what to put in its contract. Nice catch, and thank you.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    I am in touch with Spirit, and I’ll add those details when they’re available.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Noticed them, but decided I’d already been stupid a couple times myself in the last two weeks and who was I to say anything?  And you know, sometimes there is no amount of caffeine in the world enough! 

  • flutiefan

     ”NEVER an excuse for it to take two days to get somebody to their destination.”
    what if all their flights are already SOLD OUT for the next 2 days? this happens during the holidays, Thanksgiving, and Spring Break every single year. it’s not easy for an airline to just “get a new plane” like someone else said… there aren’t exactly spares lying around. when my car breaks down or gets stuck in a snow drift, i don’t have another one just chilling in the garage.

  • flutiefan

     as an airline employee, let me say THANK YOU for purchasing a seat for the child! i agree, it’s just so much safer.
     
    please bring some form of identification for the baby: copy of birth certificate, shot record, passport (some newbies have them!)… something. it’s not a requirement if she has her own seat, but it’s so good to have with you “just in case”. [we once had a lady scream that the woman in front of her in line stole her baby and was trying to get away.... turns out she wasn't, um, sane. the woman had the birth cert to prove that she was the mother, and the crazy lady had nothing. not to say that any ol' birth cert can prove that this particular child is yours, but it helps :) ]

    and roomie thanks you for wanting to choose SWA :)
    you’ll be JUST FINE with family boarding in 99.9% of flights. if you want that peace of mind, buy the $10 Early Bird at least 36hrs before your flight. no guarantees of an A, but the computer will check you in for the best available boarding pass after the A-List Preferreds and A-listers have been prioritized.  <<—- that's roomie's advice.

    i love the ziploc suggestions from others! a couple gallon-size and a few quart-size would be very helpful, i'd imagine.

    good luck!!

  • flutiefan

     but then we’d get columns about how Spirit “ignored” the customer, right?!

    totally agree with you! some things just cannot be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction, and sometimes someone needs to just say, “Stop. No more.”

  • flutiefan

    not necessarily the weather in Chicago. it can be anywhere along the route. or anywhere the aircraft has flown that day. or issues happening at 35,000 feet in the air that we on the ground have no clue about.

  • flutiefan

    that’s soooooo funny…. i just gave out mechanical information YESTERDAY.  you were saying…?

  • djp98374

    I understand it’s based on the CoC….but I feel airlines can’t just go out and claim weather. It must be validated independently. Numerous times airlines will have a mechanical issue that delays a flight then when to go weather gets it. Then they claim weather is the cause when it was mechanical.

  • djp98374

    Part of this story came not play this week and you see Spirits response. There was a flight…I think Vegas to ft lauderdale…that had to land in Houston. Spirit suggested busing the passengers up to Dallas where they serve. To me it be easier to fly an empty plane to Houston, pick up them then got to ft lauderdale.

  • bostrvlr

    I flew today on UselessAirways (aka USAirways).  I am a frequent business traveler.  I try to avoid them when possible, but there were few other reasonable options for flying from Boston to Philadelphia.  My luggage did not arrive with me despite having paid them a $25 baggage fee. They could give me no reason for the delay, but said it would be on the next plane in.  When I asked for my baggage fee to be refunded, they gave me a $25 voucher to be used on future travel with them.  Just another poor experience with them to add to my list!   I’m not surprised they tell their employees to tell customers to “shut up” rather than focus on improving their customer service.

  • Dave_Z

    I understand it’s based on the CoC….but I feel airlines can’t just go
    out and claim weather. It must be validated independently.

    Chances are, though, that Spirit can have that easily (?) validated. They probably know that pushing that “excuse” can only do so much if it’s especially unverified, and it’s bound to affect them and everyone else soon.

  • Dave_Z

    Yup. Goes to show the power of words.

  • Dave_Z

     LOL! That’s new for me…UselessAirways. I like the sound of that.

  • TonyA_says

    It’s not just the weather, it can be congestion in ORD. The FAA can tell the airline not to depart and stay on the ground.

  • TonyA_says

    it they have spares and if they have ramp facilities.

  • TonyA_says

    ranks up there with Northworst.

  • jim6555

    In the question, Chris asks about whether an airline should cut off communication. Spirit is not a true airline. It is a scheme to make lots of money from people who are uninformed or stupid. Despite the low advertised fares, Spirit passengers often pay more for their travel than they would on a real airline because of the extra, hidden charges that are encountered such as a $15 charge for the privilege of purchasing a ticket on-line or the $45 charge for putting a carry-on bag in the overhead. 

    Calling Spirit an airline is an insult to the other air carriers. The FAA should look at the total picture of how Spirit operates and tell them that they need to clean up their act within 90 days or their operating certificate will be revoked.

  • y_p_w

    I’ve been on a plane that boarded and either didn’t leave the gate or returned from the tarmac. We were definitely informed that there was mechanical issues.  Once the announcement was even specific that they couldn’t turn off the air to the cabin which was needed for a few seconds to start the engines.

  • Michael__K

    the complaint is still bogus

    I’m curious what Carver or Joe or other attorneys think about this.

    If we take the CoC at face value, and assume 1 flight per day on the route with an average load factor (85%), on a 145-seat aircraft, then my quick math says it will take 6 extra days before all the passengers reach their destination (assuming no specially operated flight and no additional cancellations). 

    If this happens to be a popular/peak period flight with a 95% load factor, then it would take 19 days before all the passengers get to their destination.

    If it came down to it, would a court indeed side with Spirit Airlines and conclude that passengers stranded for weeks for a delay within the carrier’s control are owed zilch?   Or is there a chance that at some threshold, a court might conclude that this is an unconscionable contract provision?

    Notice that even Spirit is eager to claim a weather delay “beyond their control” rather than cite it’s own CoC and argue (as Tony does) that it doesn’t matter what the delay is about.

  • bodega3

    I’ll shout it, STOP, NO MORE!  No more buying tickets on Spirit. No more shopping on Orbitz, Hotwire or any other, I Have A Better Deal For You website.  No more asking for ‘compensation’ when you really don’t deserve it.  No more paying nothing for something and expecting a lot from it.  No more writing stupid letters to Ombudsmans that make you look and sound like a fool. 

  • mikegun

    It wasn’t just you Tony, I had some “need more coffee” moments elsewhere yesterday as well. Today’s a new day!! :)

  • Joe Farrell

    The question for me is when did the weather delay occur? And where?

    How far back in time was the weather? Snow in March?

  • cjr001

    Aren’t you too busy defending TSA to troll other threads?

  • cjr001

    Aren’t you too busy defending TSA to troll other threads?

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  • JeannieRest

    “But that’s beside the point.

    Of course it isn’t.  They are a budget airline and you have to be an idiot to expect service from a no-frills company.  That’s the whole point, you aren’t paying for that.

  • Lindabator

    Maybe to you, but not to an airline – they may not have HAD a spare plane, no crew in the area, no ramp or gate in the area, etc….

  • Lindabator
  • djp98374

    This is a special circumstance….you take what 2/3 buses and brink them up to Dallas to then get on a plane to FLL that’s witng or them? It sounds much easier to take an empty plane from Dallas with a spare crew fly to Houston get the passengers..the spare crew takes the plan to another airport in their network.then they take the passengers to FLL…what they did was fly a plane to Houston…empty plane…to get the passengers and fly them to FLL. Spirit initially suggested busing them to Dallas where I guess they would have a spare plane for them. Why not bring the spare to them. If they needed to divert the aircraft…why didn’t they divert to Dallas or another spirit airport?

  • rybashka

    The California small claims limit went up (with some exceptions) to $10,000 this year.  

  • http://www.bestwesterncharlottetown.ca/ Daniel Visickery

    Hard to believe 30% of people voted yes I would be absolutely infuriated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/philip.brown.12576 Philip Brown

    What if you booked thru Travelocity (T) on a Spirit Air (S) to Lima, Peru. You were never informed about a quite unusual ONE (1) CHECKED BAG policy on said flight; upon calling S about taking four (4) checked bag, I was alerted to this.
    OK, the carrier has a right to have such a policy; but isn’t both T & S expected to inform the customer – before purchase? This should be a DOT regulation!
    I called S within 24 hours & was told there was only four (4) hours to cancel; I certainly would have cancelled if I had been allowed in April 2012. I was moving to Peru to be married & the minimum of bags needed – were 4. I later found out after flying Aeromexico (great experience) of the 24 hour policy.
    S and T have gone thru all the “motions” & lies to make me go away/SHUT UP; I would have if I hadn’t found Chris Elliott – he is a treasure!!! When will businesses realize that a dissatisfied customer is equal to a minimum of 100 satisfied ones? In the case of Spirit, there are few satisfied customers & their CEO even brags about their unethical & un-empathetic practices at corporate meetings – WHAT??? Spirit – a cheap price, but a CHEAP COMPANY!!!
    Muchas gracias,
    Philip C. Brown
    philipc4u59@yahoo.com