What am I owed for Continental’s codeshare confusion?

Ah, the perils of airline codesharing! That’s the questionable but widespread practice of claiming another airline’s flight is yours. And it doesn’t always benefit the passenger, as Brad Albing will tell you.

Albing and his wife were flying from Cleveland to Paris by way of Montreal on Continental Airlines, which at the time was operating as a division of United Airlines.

Their schedule called for a departure at 6:10 p.m., arriving in Montreal at 7:31 p.m., with a connection on another Continental Airlines flight leaving at 8:55 p.m.

“We arrived at Cleveland Hopkins more than two hours early and checked in with a Continental employee who issued our boarding passes for Cleveland to Montreal,” he says. “We asked for boarding passes for the Montreal-Paris leg and he told us to get them in Montreal. We asked if we would have enough time when we got there and he said yes.”

They didn’t.

The Albings’ flight landed in Montreal at 7:55 p.m., but it turns out the cut-off time for boarding the Paris flight was 7:51. Oh, and PS, the connecting flight wasn’t operated by Continental at all.

He explains,

It was during this sequence of events that we learned that Air Canada was operating the second leg of our flight. We were advised that there is a 60 minute cutoff before departure for international flights.

We therefore couldn’t check in and get boarding passes.

Thus, we were denied boarding.

Since there was no Continental Airlines representative to assist them in Montreal, they phoned the airline to ask for help. A representative offered to rebook them on a flight that left two days later, but said they wouldn’t be offered a hotel voucher or meal vouchers in the meantime. Instead, they should submit their receipts.

In an attempt to salvage as much vacation as possible, we asked for any alternative. The rep suggested a flight to Brussels the next day via Newark.

We accepted that. We flew from Montreal to Newark. Then from Newark, we were flown to Brussels and then took the TGV to Paris.

Talk about a circuitous route!

When they returned, they contacted United Airlines (Continental) by email and told it about the problem. They received a form response.

“Continental said that it was sorry that things worked out as they did and that Continental did make good by getting us to Brussels,” he says. “And they hoped to see us on a future Continental Airlines flight.”

The Albings decided to escalate their complaint. They felt Continental should take some responsibility for allowing an Air Canada codeshare flight to be booked with a tight (possibly illegal) connection and that it didn’t give them enough information about their connecting flight. They appealed their case to a Continental manager, in writing.

Here’s the response, which came by way of United Airlines:

In reviewing our current policies, [our representative] advised you correctly regarding compensation/reimbursement.

Allow me to explain: Although Air Canada is one of our partners, the through check-in process is not always possible.

At the original check in if the connecting carrier does not have seats then the check in would fail. I regret the inconvenience you and your wife were caused. Unfortunately, we are unable to issue monetary reimbursement.

I have issued you and your wife a travel credit. You will receive it via a separate email. We value your business and thank you for choosing Continental Airlines.

Albing is puzzled by Continental’s answers:

The travel credit issued was for about $303 each (my wife and me) – so they appear to be issuing a travel credit equal to our out-of-pocket expenses.

Unfortunately, that won’t buy a ticket to most of the places we’d be likely to go (e.g. Phoenix or San Francisco). Still, I understand their reasoning.

What I don’t understand is why the answer changed significantly from the response I got from the first rep to the second.

The first response seems to be equivalent to saying, “Oh well – these things happen – flight was a little late – tough break. We got you there eventually.”

The second response takes a different turn – “Sure we told you that you had a reservation. But that doesn’t mean we actually have a seat for you on the plane. The check-in process failed, but we didn’t think it was important to tell you at the time that we screwed up and you got screwed. Once we have your money, we pretty much stop paying attention to the process.”

I think the second response is much better than the first one. Then again, this shouldn’t have happened at all. (Some of it may have been because of the merger between United Airlines and Continental, which didn’t go as smoothly as the airlines hoped.) But shouldn’t they have known about the Air Canada switch?

Did United Airlines (or Continental) do enough for the Albings?

Update (noon): I got a.m. and p.m. confused in an early draft. Here’s the exact routing: Depart Cleveland on CO2243 at 6:10PM, 17 Sep. Arrive in Montreal at 7:31PM. Depart on CO8118 at 8:55PM. Arrive in Paris the next morning.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    I added the exact routing in the update. I had a.m. and p.m. mixed up — sorry!

  • Anonymous

    You actually have gotten through to a human at CO lately? When I call, a machine answers saying they’re experiencing high call volume, try again later, and hang up.  

  • Anonymous

    Slightly off topic, but I often refer to CDG as “Hell’s Outhouse.”

  • http://twitter.com/FinsUpDNC Darren Cohen

    Not trying to be rude to you Chris, something still does not add up.  I have PDF of last years timetable and looked at current times, and that flight still does not exist.  Let’s even pretend that the flight is real, the continental system won’t even put two flights that close together.  Is it possible that they missed an earlier flight and had to move to a later flight out of CLE that would “Cut it close”? Also the no agent thing is a big red flag as someone who flies to YUL on COA a lot (married a Canadian).  Airlines have plenty of problems to complain about, I just think sometimes people like to tweak stories to play the victim a little more. 

  • Anonymous

    Not exactly a codeshare, but anyone here ever taken an international flight from an airline without its own counter?  I did once.  Flew to Asia on a 747SP.  The counter assigned us three seats across from aisle to window.  However, when we got on the plane, the seats didn’t exist.  Where the seats normally would be, there weas a special luggage storage bin.

    However, they did move us to seats that did exist.  Economy was completely full, so they put us up in business class.

  • http://twitter.com/aldo_gz Arudo

    THIS EXACTLY HAPPENED TO ME; the first leg was codeshare with AC which dissappeared (perfect connection which I had chosen so I could get home without trouble). Long story short, they had to reroute me through one of their flights which screwed the rest of the connections and had to sleep at IAH before arriving to my final destination. I lost one vacation day at my job and they refused to compensate for anything, with help of Chris, I could get a check for the night hotel at IAH, but it took months to resolve the situation and they didn’t admit any faults, it was a “goodwill gesture”… Lesson learned: Now I always try to secure a seat by calling the codeshare airline before the flight.

  • Anonymous

    Please allow me to clear up a few things:

    The current schedule of CLE-YUL-CDG on CO/AC is:

      FLT.NO      LEG      DEP  TR ARRIVAL TR  EQP  CITY   CT  MCT   #CO4252   CLE YUL    330P     511P       ERJ            *OPERATED BY /EXPRESSJET AIRLINES INC DBA CO EXPRESS            MCT STATUS OVERRIDE – D-I   #CO8118   YUL CDG    750P     845A#1 2A  77W   YUL   II   60            *OPERATED BY AIR CANADA — AC870             ONLINE CONNECTION AND G RESTRICTION             MCT STATUS OVERRIDE – I-I 

    Note there is 2 hours and 39 minutes in between flights (511PM to 750PM). This should be enough time to clear CAN Immigration and Customs for a transit flight.

    There is an earlier CO flight from CLE-YUL.
    CO4251 CLE YUL-1115A  1252P
    But of course you need to consider that the passenger will wait in the airport from 1PM to almost 8PM. So even the smartest travel agent will have difficulty explaining that to the passenger.

    There is only one non-seasonal AC YUL-CDG flight, the one above. There is a seasonal one from June to September.
    DLY  #AC 884    YULCDG- 555P 640A#1   763           EFF 19JUN DIS 27SEP
    So, this seasonal flight can easily be combined with the earlier flight CO4251. If so, the connection time between flights would be about 5 hours.

    From what I have posted here, minimum connection time does not seem to be an issue at all.

    I still suggest that the issue is an oversold AC flight from YUL to CDG. This is the reason why I think through check in failed from CLE. I maintain that the CO agent who checked the OP in in CLE should have re-rerouted him asap and should have not sent him to YUL. But of course that is 20/20 hindsight.

  • Anonymous

    Please allow me to clear up a few things:

    The current schedule of CLE-YUL-CDG on CO/AC is:

      FLT.NO      LEG      DEP  TR ARRIVAL TR  EQP  CITY   CT  MCT   #CO4252   CLE YUL    330P     511P       ERJ            *OPERATED BY /EXPRESSJET AIRLINES INC DBA CO EXPRESS            MCT STATUS OVERRIDE – D-I   #CO8118   YUL CDG    750P     845A#1 2A  77W   YUL   II   60            *OPERATED BY AIR CANADA — AC870             ONLINE CONNECTION AND G RESTRICTION             MCT STATUS OVERRIDE – I-I 

    Note there is 2 hours and 39 minutes in between flights (511PM to 750PM). This should be enough time to clear CAN Immigration and Customs for a transit flight.

    There is an earlier CO flight from CLE-YUL.
    CO4251 CLE YUL-1115A  1252P
    But of course you need to consider that the passenger will wait in the airport from 1PM to almost 8PM. So even the smartest travel agent will have difficulty explaining that to the passenger.

    There is only one non-seasonal AC YUL-CDG flight, the one above. There is a seasonal one from June to September.
    DLY  #AC 884    YULCDG- 555P 640A#1   763           EFF 19JUN DIS 27SEP
    So, this seasonal flight can easily be combined with the earlier flight CO4251. If so, the connection time between flights would be about 5 hours.

    From what I have posted here, minimum connection time does not seem to be an issue at all.

    I still suggest that the issue is an oversold AC flight from YUL to CDG. This is the reason why I think through check in failed from CLE. I maintain that the CO agent who checked the OP in in CLE should have re-rerouted him asap and should have not sent him to YUL. But of course that is 20/20 hindsight.

  • Anonymous

    Good grief! The usual rule of thumb for international flights is to arrive at least two hours early. The Albings seemed to be aware of this, because they “arrived at Cleveland Hopkins more than two hours early.” Why did they think  Montreal (where they allowed only 84 minutes) would be any different? Montreal-Paris is a second  international flight.
       Even if the Cleveland-Montreal flight had been on time, it would have been a really tight connection. I assume that since they had no boarding passes to Paris, their luggage was not checked through to Paris. So they had to wait for their luggage in Montreal. Last week, my wife and I arrived at Logan from Miami and had to wait for our luggage for 50 minutes after the plane arrived at the gate!
       In 2005, we made a 1 1/2 hour connection in Seattle for Vancouver (international flight). Our luggage didn’t. (It had been checked through to  Vancouver, but the connection was from one airline to another.) No problem- our luggage caught up with us that evening in our motel near the 
    Vancouver
    airport. Our cruise departed the NEXT day!

  • Anonymous

    Good grief! The usual rule of thumb for international flights is to arrive at least two hours early. The Albings seemed to be aware of this, because they “arrived at Cleveland Hopkins more than two hours early.” Why did they think  Montreal (where they allowed only 84 minutes) would be any different? Montreal-Paris is a second  international flight.
       Even if the Cleveland-Montreal flight had been on time, it would have been a really tight connection. I assume that since they had no boarding passes to Paris, their luggage was not checked through to Paris. So they had to wait for their luggage in Montreal. Last week, my wife and I arrived at Logan from Miami and had to wait for our luggage for 50 minutes after the plane arrived at the gate!
       In 2005, we made a 1 1/2 hour connection in Seattle for Vancouver (international flight). Our luggage didn’t. (It had been checked through to  Vancouver, but the connection was from one airline to another.) No problem- our luggage caught up with us that evening in our motel near the 
    Vancouver
    airport. Our cruise departed the NEXT day!

  • Anonymous

    CO2243 was indeed scheduled for 610P-734P last Sept.

  • Anonymous

    CO2243 was indeed scheduled for 610P-734P last Sept.

  • Anonymous

    The agent does speak English, maybe not the American version you’re used to hearing, but it’s still English.  And sometimes, the foreign accents are easier to understand than the regional variations.

  • http://twitter.com/FinsUpDNC Darren Cohen

    If as you say a flight was oversold, Continental can and WILL give an Air Canada passenger a boarding pass with no seat assignment on it. It will say “check in at gate”.  According to their website they have a minmum 90 minute connection on international connections.  If this story is true, it means they booked two reservations and tried to check in for both in Cleveland.  

  • http://twitter.com/FinsUpDNC Darren Cohen

    I found it, and it landed 14 minutes late. This had to be booked on 2  different reservations as CO has 90 minute intl connection rule according to a systems analyst there.

  • Anonymous

    Darren, we are running out of space so I will post my answer to your latest post here.

    My GDS will allow legal international connections in YUL between CO and AC at least 60 minutes. I don’t know where you are getting the 90 minute MCT.

    That means, last Sept CO2243/AC870 could have legally been sold together.

    I am thinking oversold flight because of CO’s answer to Chris:

     At the original check in if the connecting carrier does not have seats then the check in would fail.

    Well why would Air Canada’s Departure Control System (DCS) not provide a seat assignment to CO’s DCS do CO can check the passenger THROUGH on the day of departure? The reason is AC sold out the seats.

    Think about it, what is the penalty in Canada for AC to involuntary deny boarding? They say it’s posted in the check in counter. Isn’t that a joke? So why won’t AC oversell? What’s stopping them?

  • Anonymous

    @TMMao:disqus :
    I don’t consider someone in India reading a script speaking English. They don’t understand the problem; they only stick to pronouncing words on a screen.

    Case and point: I had one try and do a ticket change to Portland, Oregon. She had booked me to Portland, Maine, despite my giving her the correct airport codes.

    It took me another two calls to get THAT mess sorted out.

  • Anonymous

     
    If as you say a flight was oversold, Continental can and WILL give an Air Canada passenger a boarding pass with no seat assignment on it. It will say “check in at gate”.

    Well that ain’t a boarding pass. You can’t board with it.

  • Vicki Woo

    Which would mean then that there was no way to check all the way through and no way that the connection given was enough time.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been having problems too.

  • Anonymous

    Sloppy, very sloppy work on the part of the CO agent…..Any agent with an ounce of knowlege and common sense would have quickly looked at the record and determined that the actual carrier would be Air Canada from Montreal.  At that point they might have clearly determined that the connection time might be compromised and offered another routing, i.e., CLE-ORD and ORD-CDG  or CLE-EWR, EWR-CDG or heaven forbid with CO – rebook on ANOTHER AIRLINE !!.  I’m finding out they are not inclined to do that.   Also, with no exaggeration not too many Air Canada folks know what they are doing also.  Thirdly, very few airline employees are thoroughly trained to think out of the box – they just go with the first “availability” they see in the computer no matter how illogical it is – no sense of trying to think of other routings or airlines to use that would make more sense and save the passenger all the aggravation!

  • Anonymous

    You are kidding, right ?   A recent CNN documentary “Customer Disservice” truly showed many international call centers that literally read from prompts on their screen and written scripts.   They are totally clueless – don’t even realize when customers are angry and yelling at them.  I’ve had international call center employees just repeat and repeat the same thing over and over no matter how much you try to explain the problem.   So there is “english” and there is English but it’s not the “english” I am speaking — they don’t get our (American and even British) vagaries and vernacular !!!

  • Asiansm Dan

    Usually YES, even the traveler have to take the luggage thru Immigration and Customs, CO can issue all the Boarding Passes and tag the luggage all the way to Europe but I think this case is disputable because may be the flight from Montreal was oversold and CO let the traveler deal it in Montreal. Something wrong happens, plus the connecting time wasn’t enough even it’s legal. Adding to that, gate is closed 20 to 30 minutes before departure time. The fault is obviously Continental and Air Canada combined.

  • Asiansm Dan

    With this connecting time, no way the OP could make it in YUL.
     

  • http://www.talestoldfromtheroad.com Dick Jordan

    Even on domestic flights that involve a plane change, I try to allow 2 hours (or more) between scheduled arrival on the first leg and departure on the second leg.  That usually gives enough leeway so if arrival of the first flight is delayed, you’ll not miss the connecting flight.  I’d definitely allow at least that much time where one has to fly from the U.S. into another country, and then catch a connecting flight to yet another country. 

    When I’ve have to make connections on an international flight in the past, I’ve had to clear customs and immigration on arrival at the airport where I’ll catch the connecting flight, retrieve my bags and recheck them. 

  • Anonymous

    I think this couple was definitely screwed. However, he sounds like a seasoned traveler, who should have known that his connection was much too short. I would never do less than 1.5 hrs domestically and 2 hrs layover for international. Arriving planes are almost always late when you have a connection. I’ve run through too many airports because business partners made our reservations with not enough layover time. No more. I’ll have a latte and relax with my extra time from now on.

  • Miriam Abrams

    I get the same thing. I have tried for days to get through but am unable. It doesn’t surprise me though, United sucks!

  • Anonymous

    Try calling late at night.  I just had to call on Friday due to a schedule change and I finally did speak to a human–after 45 minutes on hold.  The rep actually was helpful.  I nearly fainted from shock.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    Delta does operate Pittsburgh to Paris during the spring/summer months.

  • http://twitter.com/texasbrian texasbrian

    I have to put some blame on the passengers here. When I travel internationally, I… (a) know which airlines I am flying, (b) check in online for all airlines, (c) never leave the counter without all boarding passes. I’m guessing they were at the counter because they needed to check bags… which were checked to CDG, another thing I would have checked. Yes, CO messed up, but you cannot be a lemming as a passenger. If you are, then you must accept some of the blame.