“TSA screeners are all idiots”

You’d think that by now the Transportation Security Administration would have figured out a way of dealing with the infant formula issue. Then I got Kristi Grady’s e-mail with the provocative subject, “TSA screeners are all idiots,” and felt like someone had turned back the clock five years.

Grady’s account of her experience suggests TSA agents remain confused about how to deal with infant formula and related items.

Here’s what happened to Grady.

I recently flew from Amarillo to Orlando for a Disney World vacation with my family. We were given considerable grief about the water (Dasani and Nursery water, in original containers) we use to mix our daughter’s infant formula.

Apparently, they would like for me to mix it all at once, so they can test it, and then let me fly with it. When I told them that once mixed, it was unusable after one hour, they informed me that I should have read their policies on water, and formulas. I did. I also asked the man at the beginning of the security line if the water was appropriate to which he replied, “yes.”

Based on Grady’s reading of TSA policy, she concluded it would be acceptable to bring water bottles and powdered formula through the checkpoint. But that’s not how TSA saw it. At the Orlando checkpoint, a TSA agent told the family they couldn’t fly with formula, either.

Interestingly, the agents completely overlooked a three-inch long pocketknife that had been inadvertently packed in the Grady’s carry-on luggage. How’s that possible?

Frustration abounds. Baby formula = dangerous and lethal. Swiss army knives = safe.

What is the policy on formula, because last May in Houston, we were told at the beginning of the line that our gallon jug of nursery water was to be emptied into the bottles, and the jug surrendered, only to be asked at the end of the line “Where’s the ORIGINAL container?” by a rude agent.

Are these people misinformed, or just complete fools with considerable overinflated egos at their perceived power over the flying public?

I put that question to the TSA. Andrea McCauley, a spokeswoman for the organization, responded.

Infant formulas, powdered formulas, juices and breast milk are allowed through the checkpoint and are considered exempt by TSA.

We ask that the passenger declare the items prior to entering the checkpoint. Powdered formulas are always allowed through he checkpoint. If a passenger is traveling with special water for the formula (i.e. nursery water), that water must be declared as medically necessary for the child. Then it will be considered exempt and tested.

If the water is traditional water i.e. Dasani, then it is not allowed through the checkpoint and must be bought post security.

We want to make traveling with children as easy as possible for families and thus have exempted formulas, juices and breast milk. These items, however are still subject to testing. Passengers should never be asked to taste these items during the screening process.

Here are details on the TSA’s policy on formula, breast milk and juice.

Does anyone else think this is a little absurd?

I mean, here you have a mother with an infant returning from a Disney World vacation, and you’re harassing her about her baby water? Come on. Is it too much to ask for a little common sense here? The chances that these passengers represent any threat to the airline’s safety is infinitesimally small. No, nonexistent.

I’m getting a little tired of saying this: It’s time for the TSA to drop its senseless ban on liquids and gels.

  • Jasper

    Harassing mothers about baby drinks is insane, rude, and inconsiderate. However, Harassing non-mothers about their bottle of soda is too. I’ve always believed it’s only an under-the-table subsidy to airlines and airport concessions.

    Perhaps with ‘change’ coming tomorrow, we can get somebody with a normal mind leading the DHS, TSA, and DOT. I’d be happy with anybody who’s flown commercial in the last five years.

  • Jgamma

    God forbid I stick up for the TSA, but why would she need to fly with water than can be purchased EVERY WHERE? Couldn’t she just make up a few bottles for the trip (and they are good for at least three hours, not one) and get more water at the next stop? Or if you can afford to take the trip, cough up a few more dollars for ready-made formula you don’t have to mix at all? Save yourself the hassle and stop complaining about something you know can be avoided.

  • frostysnowman

    I’m so sorry, but I agree with Jgamma (and I’m a mom who’s been traveling with my kids since they were infants, one before and one after the liquid ban). I was always told it’s perfectly fine to mix formula with regular bottled water. So we would bring the individual formular packets in the diaper bag and buy bottled water on the other side of security and had no problems with the TSA at all.

    But I also agree with Jasper and Chris. I’m tired of having to put my lip gloss in a plastic bag to get it through security. It is time to get rid of these ridiculous liquid and gel bans.

  • Ian

    The happiest day of my life was when I realised I’d forgotten to take my ziploc baggie out of my luggage (flying LaGuardia-Washington National, no less) and no one had noticed. It was nothing short of a miracle that the plane didn’t fall out of the sky.

  • John

    Ummm…. Last time I checked the liquid ban is in place because a group of terrorist, who are now in jail in the UK, determined that they could bring enough liquid explosive through the checkpoint to bring down a plane. They had a plan in place and were prepared to execute the plan.

    The restrictions were put in place not because someone thought that it was theoretically possible to bring down an airplane using liquid explosives but as the result of terrorists planning to destroy an airline using liquid explosives (some of it disguised as fornula).

    What’s next should we allow knives back on planes? Oh yea someone suggested that.

    How soon we forget the cost of not keeping bad people from doing bad things? Maybe everyone should take a trip to ground zero for a refresher.

    I for one am happy putting my stuff in a plastic bag.

  • http://www.ffocus.org Bruce InCharlotte

    Yes, put liquids in the bags. Yes, we need the screening. But when will the TSA be held accountable for their ineptness? I’d like to see TSA screeners docked their pay when they miss stuff in bags, like the pocketknife above. There should be a way to report this stuff. Regretfully, there isn’t. Remember the guy who accidentally slipped a gun through security, then went back to report it and was promptly arrested? Shoulda kept his mouth shut.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/23/airport.gun/index.html

  • Andy

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    – Benjamin Franklin

  • Lisa Skier

    Haven’t forgotten but my friends knife sailed through San Jose security, DFW security and Orlando security on the way home last week……nuf said.

  • http://baheyeldin.com/writings/terrorism/can-liquid-explosives-be-prepared-on-an-airplane.html robert

    really, so name one time TSA has found anything that has stopped an attack. The screeners were mostly a job no one wanted and was less then fastfood at most airports, then wow now federal. Same people are working there. So any of this is a surprise. As forthe liquid bombs http://baheyeldin.com/writings/terrorism/can-liquid-explosives-be-prepared-on-an-airplane.html

    ITs all about making people feel good cause they think something is being done.

  • dave

    How many times does it have to be stated that you just can’t mix binary explosives on an airplane?

    It is -not- like making formula, it is a highly toxic, convoluted process and you just can’t do it on an airplane without letting everybody know about it.

    This unrelenting pussyfication of America is hurting more than it does any good.

  • Ann

    I put my liquids and gels in a separate bag, but less than 10% of the time do I remember to take them out separately and I have never been called on it. I just chatted with my mom who is also a frequent flier and she said she does the same thing. I’ll admit that my military colleages have been known to shove plastic bottles containing forbidden liquid into our huge cargo pockets. Since it doesn’t set of the metal detectors, you’re good to go.

    Now with the checked bag fees (which don’t apply to me, but I’m talking about normal travelers) it has to be a money maker for the airlines that you cannot bring full size toiletries in a carry-on, forcing you to check – and pay for – a bag.

    But my favorite TSA incident happened last Saturday at DFW. Somehow only one of my shoes came out of the x-ray machine. When I complained, the guy in all seriousness attempted to convince me that I probably only had one shoe to start with. I felt embarassed because the line was tied up and everyone was staring at me like I was doing something wrong.

  • Joe Farrell

    I would support the TSA, and John’s position on liquids if some creditable scientific evidence could be presented that a bomber could assemble a bomb from liquids that could be carried on board an aircraft that would not be suspicious. Cloudy fliuds in clear water bottles, metals like powered flake zinc or iron, smells like potassium nitrate.

    There is not a single peer reviewed scientific paper or any formula or other proof that anyone could asemble a liquid explosive on board an aircraft.

    That, plus what was the difference between July and August 2006 – the only difference was that they captured 4 guys in Britain who thought they could make a bomb out of liquids. The science did not change, so what did TSA do? Why, they [over] reacted to an external event, not the science. The ONLY difference was the reporting of an ‘attempt,’ not any change to the risk or the science. TSA is anything but proactive. If someone made a pair of glasses out of C4 [which is easily possible] they would then ban eyeglasses on board, or require certification of your eyeglasses. Thats the intelligence level of the organization – both its training, intelligence and the people it hires do everything but give you the warm fuzzies concerning airport safety. The reason why hijacking will not work is the passengers, not the TSA. No one will allow anyone to try to take over an airplane which they are on, and the best way to get a bomb on board is in luggage. . . not liquids.

  • Allison

    We have a liquid ban because of an idea that has been proven not to work. If I had a plan to build a bomb out of magazine paper does that mean all magazines are banned from airplanes? Sounds to me the answer is “yes” under current TSA rationales. Watch out for that unattended February issue of Marie Claire…

    There is still this irrational fear that liquids can create a bomb on a plane. They cannot.

    The liquid ban is a complete joke and a waste of time, money, and sensibility and DOES NOT MAKE US ANY, I MEAN ANY, SAFER!

  • Joe Farrell

    Hey Alison, according to the TSA, the tales they ‘could’ tell you would make your toes curl – the problem is that they don’t tell you, which means that there are no tales. Its not like the government has proven itself to be trustworthy. Its not that they are incompetent, its just that they are so risk averse since they have the power to inconvenience you, they do.

    The thing that galls me is that the courts allow the government to get away with ‘its all secret so we don’t have to justify it.”

    I’d love to try that one – sorry, I can’t file my income tax return, its all private.

  • Carver Farrow

    I have no idea about the science behind building bombs on planes. The question that I would have is, can you build something that would incapacitate people, influding the pilots. For example mixing chlorox and ammonia. That would be my fear.

    However, the current implementation makes no sense. One 6 oz container of liquid is bad. But if I pour it into two 3-oz containers, it’s no longer a threat. That makes no sense to me.

  • Patrick

    You tried to bring in normal bottled water (Dasani) and expected them to let it through? Come on lady, the policy is what it is – it has been for a while. Arguing policy with the guy at the airport is senseless.

  • Judy

    I understand that it can be frustrating to deal with these circustances when they arise. But I would rather anyone go through what the TSA may put you through, than have someone who you may not think looks like a terrorist who is bring someting on the plane you are riding on. that would be horrible.

    Safety first and always no matter how frustrating you may feel, because your life and the people’s life around you are worth it.

  • erik

    Also, if the TSA catches your bottle full of explosive liquid, they just throw it away without checking it. So you can just go back outside and keep trying until the liquid makes it through. This security does nothing to stop terrorists.

  • http://www.tedsimages.com Ted

    TSA screeners are NOT all idiots. However, enough of them ARE idiots to give them all a bad name. You never know what kind you’ll get when it’s your turn at the checkpoint.

    I do hope that Obama appoints competent people to lead the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA. And I hope these competent people will do the thorough cost-benefit analysis that was an anathema to the Bush administration, to make sure that the measures they impose on us actually do provide security that’s effective rather than merely intrusive and inconvenient.

    I believe that the TSA, as it is currently run, reflects the Bush administration’s contempt for the rule of law and for the public in general, as well as its obsession with secrecy to cover up its ineptitude and incompetence. If (and this is a big “if”) Obama keeps his promises about undoing the damage the Bush administration has done and restoring the rule of law, it is likely that his administration’s implementation of the TSA will be less arrogant, less stupid, more effective, and actually deserving of our respect. But we’ll just have to wait and see.

  • Sabrina

    Not ALL TSa screeners are idiots. What kind of person makes a blanket statement like that? Has she dealth with every single TSA screener in the US and found every single one of them incompetent? I doubt it. Knowing the poicies in place, it was stupid of her to try to bring Dasani water through. She could have purchased it after screening.

    I fly a lot and have met some incompetent TSa jerks, but I’ve also met many who are just tryig to do their jobs in a very unsecure world and keep us protected. The husband of a friend of mine is a TSA screener and he is not an idiot who can’t find a job anywhere else. He wants to do his part to keep us safe and he tries hard to keep up with the many conflicting policies that they receive every week.

    So please, keep your asinine generalizations to yourself and if you are going to make a complaint, make it specific.

  • Rick

    If liquids can make a bomb on-board the plane, what’s to keep 5 terrorists from taking on their 3oz bottles and adding them all together on-board? By the way, I’ve been purposely leaving my plastic bag with the 3 oz containers in my carry-on when screening. It hasn’t been mentioned in months and I fly frequently.

  • Jess

    The TSA regulations definitely add another hassle to travelling by air, but I am fully aware that I do not have all of the information available to the government when they decided to implement these procedures (whether they need to be revisited is another issue). The system is far from perfect and my husband, who works for another component of DHS , has often commented on his frustration with the TSA process and some of the screeners.

    That being said, I have travelled with my infant/toddler sons and always make sure to print out the page of the TSA website that pertains to infant food and formula and have it on hand when I go through security in case there is any confusion. I make sure to keep the food and drink all in the front section of the diaper bag and point it out before I go through the x-ray machine. I spend the extra money before a trip to buy pre-made formula in individual cans and try to pack only what I think I will need for the trip (plus a couple extra in case of delays). I don’t know which site Ms. Grady was reading that she interpreted as allowing her to bring bottled water on the plane. I have never had a problem with security, but I also make it a point to always speak calmly and with respect to every person I encounter in the airport. There are a lot of regulations that the agents are supposed to remember and I try to give them the benefit of the doubt when a question arises, insead of thinking of them as “complete fools with considerable overinflated egos at their perceived power over the flying public” (trust me, that attitude is conveyed loud and clear to the people you are talking to).

    No, the system is not perfect and they don’t catch everything they are supposed to find. However, our responsibility as travellers who choose to fly is to work within the law, not try to get around it.

  • Mike

    There is ONE thing that was done to make us all safer. It had nothing to do with banning bottled water or full size tubes of toothpaste. It had nothing to do with full size bottles of anything or with turning on cell pjhones and laptops. It had nothing to do with examining women for nipple rings ir men for gilette razor blades.

    What was that one thing? Secure doors leading to the cockpit!!! If the planes simply had these doors, no amount of knives or terrorists would have flown those planes into the WTC, the Pentagon, or the field in PA. Those doors have made us safer than any amount of TSA agents checking our shoes ever have.

    It is absurd that the agents don’t know their own rules or that they treat each passenger differently. It’s also absurd that the rules about liquids are still in place or that they can go through luggage and steal things without general fear of being prosecuted. Time and time again I have read about people getting their bags gone through and ransacked. It’s got to stop.

  • Dean

    The TSOs had the ability to call a superviser and explain the issue. The supervisor has the ability, by SOP, to allow the liquid if they determin it to be “not a threat”. That takes time and would have required a very simple test but maybe Orlando feels they have no time?

    This type of thing drives me nuts.

  • Carole

    Let’s just jettison those pesky passengers, period. That will take care of all of these annoying security issues the TSA has with all of us and it would make their job so much easier. Then they could go back to chatting and gossiping with each other, never having to deal with the nasty public again.

  • http://www.ffocus.org Mr Bad Example

    Repeat after me:

    Kip Hawley is a moron
    Kip Hawley is a moron
    Kip Hawley is a moron
    Kip Hawley is a moron
    Kip Hawley is a moron

    This is yet another example of Security Theater and Mr Hawley is the director.

    Think about it for a second. If I was a terrorist and wanted to create terror all I’d have to do is have a suicide bomber blow themselves up at a security checkpoint while the TSA is causing a back up fiddle fornicating around with Baby Formula

  • Joe Farrell

    To the OP – just follow the darn rules. No water in containers of more than 3oz. The formula was powder, right? Just bring an empty bottle and fill it up at the bar or restaurant. Gessh – why make it hard on yourself.

    If you don’t like the darn rules, then work to change them, don;t whine about being a mother and its formula for the baby, yada, yada, yada cause there is no exception in the rules because you mean well . . .

    I like Carole’s idea – then the airlines can transport mail and cargo, stuff that pays, and they can just send us all a $100 annual no-fly surcharge bill – solves all our problems.

  • Sheri

    I agree with Joe F. I have a medical condition that requires that I drink protein supplements throughout the day. I frequently fly across the country, and I have no problems whatsoever. I simply pack the protein powder in individual serving sizes and get water on the other side of security. Simple solution. Very minor inconvenience.

    And frankly, my concerns about liquid are not so much that someone can build a bomb, but there are liquids that could be harmful, especially if brought in large amounts.

    People need to get over feeling so darned entitled to do whatever they want to do regardless of the rules or reasons.

  • lily

    Buy pre-made formula. It makes life easier. You really don’t want to be measuring/making bottles mid flight. Asking the flight attendant for water to make formula is a pain. I just flew and lugged an insane amount of pre-made formula, no issues with TSA. Had it ready to go whenever my baby needed to eat.

    Bringing bottled water, seriously? Trying to bend the rules? I’m not a fan of the liquid policy, having to dig out all my stuff and stick it into a quart size bag, but the rules are rules. It’s people that create unnecessary arguments that hold up the line. Do yourself and everyone behind you a favor, buy pre-made formula!

  • Peter DeForest

    Here’s a funny story about how TSA rules get misapplied overseas on flights
    to the US. I was flying back to the US, changing planes in Hong Kong. I went
    through re-screening and had all my small bottles and gels in the usual baggie
    and had no problem. I had a little time before my flight, so I bought some water
    and juice for the long 12 hour flight ahead of me. As I entered the jetway, I was
    again screened and my drinks were taken away from me. I tried to explain that
    I had just bought them 15 feet away at the shop right by the gate, but no luck.
    So I drank them on the spot and boarded. The security woman told me I could
    only have 3 ounce bottles of liquid. I finally told her that if they were selling
    liquid explosives at the airport shops, they had bigger problems than she
    could solve.

    So there are idiots of all kinds, unfortunately many of them working in
    security roles. But as long as our idiots are marginally smarter than their
    idiots (suicide bombers, etc.), I guess we’ll be safe (sort of). That seems
    to be the strategy that I have observed.

  • MoNgo

    TSA stupid and rude: That’s because they were fed baby formula mixed by their ignorant mothers that used ordinary, lead-contaminated, arsenic-laden tap water. If there mothers had used bottled water containing tap water from another city, they wouldn’t be as brain-damaged–just slowly dying from cancer from the plastic container. (Unless, their baby diet included lead paint chips from the walls of their homes.)

  • http://malcontentist.com malcontent

    I am way beyond wanting to hear anything a TSA spokeshole has to say. This agency spits on common sense daily (to say nothing of the Bill of Rights) and I’ve had enough. Well, Mr. President? Let’s see some CHANGE. http://malcontentist.com/2009/01/to-do-list-for-barack-obama-part-3

  • Matthew

    All people who bring prohibited items through TSA checkpoints and then whinge because “It is for the children” are idiots.

    Bottled water, except that which is medically required is prohibited. I’ve never seen Dansani prescribed.

    I am happy you and your spawn were not on my flight.

  • http://http//travelingmamas.com Shannon

    I’m a mama who travels and is also an emergency worker. First, to those that comment about security just being a show, I have to say from first hand knowledge that just because you don’t see it on the news doesn’t mean it hasn’t occurred.

    As a mother who has traveled with kids, I have had no problem filling up bottles with water from a water fountain to mix. In fact, many of my nursing friends advised me to stay away from distilled and nursery water for the fact that it can cause loose bowels in babies.

    How you choose to mix your formula is a personal choice.

  • http://travel.spotcoolstuff.com Spot Cool Travel

    Without defending what the TSA agents did in this particular case, I think, on the whole, most TSA agents are pretty good. I used to work in an airport before there was a TSA and let me tell you — *those* security people were terrible. We’ve actually come a long way.

  • http://www.ffocus.org Mr Bad Example

    @Shannon,

    Oh PLEASE! The TSA is security theater. Over 50 screenings per year and each time a prohibited item since their inception. Last Sunday it was a hotel shampoo bottle. for 18 months it was a screwdriver.

    Terrorism is thwarted by good police work conducted by folks with different letter on the windbreakers than TSA. Try FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF just for starters. these are actual REAL investigators. Ones fully capable of infiltrating a terrorist cell and crushing it before they even get to the airport.

    OTOH the TSA couldn’t find it’s ass with both hands, in a phone booth with a flashlight.

  • Victoria

    OK, honestly some moms make it harder than it really needs to be. For crying out loud why carry a gallon of nursery water onto a plane!!!??? It’s just bottled water with flouride!! When my son was still on the bottle I’d mix up a bottle (which by the way DOES NOT have to be consumed within 1 hour, you have 2-3) and get through security just fine. TSA isn’t always the brightest but when you’ve got white stuff in a bottle and are carrying a baby, they generally get what’s going on. I even stick it in its own ziploc bag and separate it at security. I never had a problem getting more water at the terminal or from a flight attendant onboard the flight so I could make more formula. I even stopped a flight attendant as I was boarding, told her I needed some water for formula, told her my row number and she brought it to me during boarding. Bring enough formula to tie you over, bring some powdered mic, get bottled water later, really it’s not that complicated……

  • Denise

    The travel experiences I’ve had since 911 prove that TSA is staffed by bullies, slackers, and ignoramuses that may know the letter of the laws (usually) but have no concern for the spirit of it. And if they are caught dead-to-wrongs on something, passengers don’t dare object or they will pull you aside for a “random screening” or detain you for “suspicious activity” so that you miss your non-refundable flight. Until they insist on verifying that every female that passes through the line is not wearing inserts in her bra, I will always believe that the ban on liquids and gels is inept and inane. Here’s why:

    Using a syringe designed to inject flavoring into poultry and an inner tube patch kit I was able to fill and seal a plastic bra insert with over a cup of oil. That’s over two cups of liquid I could get onto an aircraft undetected… a hell of a lot more than a couple of dinky little perfume bottles and lipstick tubes can hold. Of course, no one talks about the most obvious place that a woman could smuggle a significant quantity of material past security. I wonder why?

    Oh yes — Because women are not typically terrorists, and women with babies are even LESS likely!

    Water bras filled with explosive and feminine hygiene-wrapped detonators: even TSA guys won’t search thru a pack of those!

    So no, I don’t feel safer because of the dog-and-pony show being put on by TSA, I’m just more annoyed. Tom, Dick, and Sallie with their GEDs and two weeks of training (hah!) are not going to out-think determined terrorists. Hell, they apparently can’t out-think a harried passenger who accidentally leaves a pocketknife in their carry-on! But a mother with bottled water for her baby’s formula? *That* will get stopped every time! Oh boy am I glad those guys are on the job, keeping me “safe” as I and my children get treated like criminals going into lock-down.

    Terrorists may be unreasonable, but they aren’t stupid, aren’t crazy, and they think logically; that’s why they scare us! If *I* can think of these things, *they* certainly have. The idea that the TSA goons and their haphazard protocols can protect us from them is a joke, and a bad one at that.

  • http://tims-boot.blogspot.com Tim

    The TSA liquid ban is absolutely out of control I managed to “Save the world” from a threatening jar of olives with just the aid of a zip lock bag

    http://tims-boot.blogspot.com/2007/09/when-is-jar-of-olives-not-bomb-when-it.html

  • don

    If you were to have a fine imposed on you for trying to carry on liquids, knives, etc. do you think that might change things. I for one never carry anything while flying including before or after TSA . No problems here.

  • John

    @Denise … So you admit to knowingly smuggling liquids through a checkpoint (felony).

    What’s your solution? Every women has to send their bra through the x-ray? How about every woman has to be “felt up” in order to get through security?

    I can see those two ideas going over really well. I’d join my wife in the protest.

    How about you suggest a viable solution to the problem instead of calling the security guards names?

    BTW … your detenator would be found. The box has to be x-rayed. Carried “internally” the detenator has enough metal to set off the metal detectors. Also … the scare that set off the no gels or liquids ban included a cell with women who intended to take their children with them.

    Try again

  • Jack

    Denise,
    I think you are starting to get it. Here’s my experience at DTW. It was a dark and stormy night on a ride from EGE to DTW. I was alone. The ride was rough. I spent the day riding the cold smoke of Vail Colorado and was returning from my week long ski vacation. After I gathered my luggage, which consisted of skis, boots, suitcase, computer, I fairly had my hands full. I struggled with my stuff to the top deck of Detroit’s Smith terminal and out the door to the bus lane and waited patiently for my parking lot bus to arrive.

    Sadly, I was there right at TSA shift change. As I was loading my skis, and boots onto the bus, a herd of TSA thugs and bullies came out of the door, pushed (literally shoved me out of the way), marched onto and filled the bus with my skis and boots on the bus and my bag on the sidewalk and filled the bus. When I protested to them they responded with obnoxious comments and the bus driver said he was powerless to stop them and he couldn’t let me ride since all the seats were now full. One of the TSA agents threw my skis and boots off the bus and ordered me off the bus. I protested to the DTW port agent and was told that since they were “off duty” there wasn’t anything he could do.

    I do not fly commercial scheduled airlines any longer. I’ll drive, take the train, take a grayhound or charter an airplane before I’ll allow these kind folks to do anything like that to me again. And on a train, I can bring a six pack and a pizza and no one will stop me.

  • Jack Bauer

    Kip Hawley is an idiot!

  • fran

    This post is pretty ironic now that we actually had an attempted attack with no more than 3 ounces of liquid explosive. TSA are really idiots — they need to do their job, and passengers should stop being so spoiled.

  • Thetruth

    Fran, you sound like a Gov.Troll!!! Inside job…

  • Professor Knight

    Concerning babies and liquids, I think that, either people have very short memory, or they only watch things like American Idol and never listen to the news.
    They already forgot (or they never knew…) that, among the terrorists arrested in England a few years ago, there were women with babies who were going to blow themselves up altogether with their babies.
    Yep, they were going to desitegrate their own babies just for the pleasure of blowing us up!
    How about watching THE NEWS from time to time?

  • Tim Kallahan

    So has everyone forgotten about the attempted attack on the airlier headed to Detroit from Amsterdam? That plane was almost dropped from the sky by someone who did the aleged impossible: mixed a bomb on the plane and added the liquid portion while in his seat!

  • Omen

    Y’all are ignorant or just plain uneducated. It does not take much liquid to be turned into a chemical bomb. Go back to Vietnam mothers would tie explosive devices to their dead (or alive) children and walk causally into American bases and detonate the device. If y’all want to have terrorist women hyped up on some type of drugs so they don’t think straight or are so angry about their child dying because some how someone blamed your country for that child’s death, come onto your plane with the right amount of chemicals to create a bomb and have them disguised as baby formula (cause I’m sure they can do that easily); well than be my guest. It is worth the extra 15 mins. that it takes for the security to sort people out is worth it. The stupidity of the over protective astounds me and insults the country that Marines, Navy and Army soldiers fight for.
    Be Artful,
    Omen

    “Patience is the art of concealing your impatience.”
    Guy Kawasaki

  • Jerry Darnell

    I see and hear complaints all the time from people about TSA’s requirments on liquids. Well I have one for the general public, Learn to read and use your brain. Why would you need to carry more baby formula in your carry on than is needed for the flight? If you will use what God gave you you would realize all you need do is pack the extra formula in you checked baggage, not your carry on! I listened to a complaining passenger just the other day carry on about how unfair it was that he could not carry 12 juice boxes on the plain for his young son. The flight was only one and a half hour long so why did he need 12 juice boxes? I’m sure the people on the flights during 911 were able to look at the terrorist and tell right away they could not be trusted. You can not tell who may be trying to take something on a plain that is dangerous and that is the reason for testing the liqiuds. The liquids can not be tested if it is in a sealed bottle or juice box now can it? It might be a little more hassel for you to follow the safety rules that are in place but which would you rather do, just board the plain and hope you make it or try to work with the TSA and know your safety is their first concern? Being a TSA officer is a thankless job but they continue to show up everyday for your safety.

  • Jerry Darnell

    Ok I just finished the rest of the post on here, what a bunch of blind and whinning people! Liqiuds can not be mixed on a plane? Maybe you should try reading such book as “Anchery cookbook” or the “Poor man’s James Bond”. There are several household items that can be mixed that have the potientail to bring down a plane, I won’t mention any on here because there is probably some idiots that would try them.
    Yes things get missed by TSO’s sometimes. These people scan hundreds and even thousands of bags a day. The try to find restricted items but they are human. Ok here’s a fix for never missing another item, let’s just open all our bags and let them search each item! Does that sound better? Oh wait, there would still be people whine about that! Have any of you considered that maybe the reason TSO’s haven’t been finding much is because people know if they do try to get through the screen with a restricted item they will get caught, so they just don’t try as often? Most people don’t speed because they know there is a chance they will get caught, even when tere’s not a cop in sight. Same thing people.
    I also keep seeing post where people talk about someone’s bag getting on a plain with a knife in it. Well what a lot don’t mention is most of the time these bags are actually checked baggage and it is allowed to transport knives, swords even firearms in checked bagage.
    Yes people forget to remove their ziplocks sometime but trust me they see the items on the x-ray and it they can’t tell for sure what it is the bag “will” be opened and checked. Some one mentioned sneaking plastic bottles through because the metal detector doesn’t pick them up? The metal detector has nothing to do with it, the bottle will be seen on the x-ray.
    Lets face it, America is full of a bunch of spoiled whinners that think they should be treated special and not have to do anything that they concider a hassel. I mean their American so their not terrorist. Terrorist don’t even exist do they? Keep on thinking that way but I for one am more than happy to work with the TSA officers and follow the rules. I won’t be the one who is taken away in handcuffs.