This volunteer vacation to New Orleans ended on a bad note

Erik Szabo is “livid.”

Last spring, he was schedule to fly from Los Angeles to New Orleans for Jazz Fest and to volunteer at Habitat for Humanity. He’d booked a package tour, which included airline tickets, hotel and car rental, through Hotwire.

“When I showed up at the airport for my US Airways flight, I was told that my reservation was for a United Airlines flight,” he says.

Ah, another case of codeshare confusion? Yes, but that’s not all.

Szabo picks up the story,

I trekked all the way to the United terminal — which, by the way, is the longest possible distance from US Airways at LAX.

When I got to the United kiosk, I was informed that my reservation number was invalid, and they refused to help me.

Finally, I convinced one of United’s people to call Hotwire to clear up the confusion. She dialed and handed the phone to me.

Hotwire then put me on hold for a whole hour. When they finally returned, they gave me a proper reservation number, which United was able to verify. However, by that time my flight had already departed, thanks to the hour on the phone.

You can imagine what happened next.

Since it was Jazz Fest, there were no other flights to New Orleans, and he had to cancel his volunteer vacation, he says. Hotwire refunded his rental car, but wouldn’t reverse the hotel charge and deferred to US Airways for the ticket.

He adds,

I then tried to resolve the issue with US Airways for the airfare, but they would only repeat their policy that “tickets are non-refundable and may be used within one year of purchase with a $150 re-booking fee”.

Are you kidding me? They effectively canceled my reservation without cause or notice and now want to charge me an additional $150 per ticket? What kind of re-negotiation tactic is that?

I thought Szabo had a strong case for a full refund, so I contacted Hotwire on his behalf. Here’s its answer:

After looking into this further, it seems like this unfortunate conclusion was a result of code-share issues as well as a few additional considerations. Here’s more background on what we found through our research.

Mr. Szabo booked a code-share flight, meaning he booked through US Airways, but the flight was operated by United. Code-share bookings are relatively common in the airline industry, and state clearly that a flight is “operated by X airline” both before and after purchase, regardless of who the flight was booked through. However, it’s always very important to still review itineraries carefully.

In looking at the notes in the system, it appears that the reason Mr. Szabo was unable to initially check in with his United flight was due to a late arrival. Whether that was caused by the delay from going to the US Airways terminal first or just because of a late arrival in general isn’t clear, but the end result is unfortunately the same.

In terms of the confusion around reservation numbers, theoretically that should not have posed any issues for the United agents. As mentioned, code-shares are very common and whether they we presented with the USAirways number or the subsequent United number, it shouldn’t have made a difference, especially because reservation numbers aren’t generally required for check in. A kiosk or agent should only need the customer’s identification and destination in order to find his flights. It is possible that the United desk agent provided Mr. Szabo with incorrect or confusing information on why he wasn’t allowed to get a boarding pass initially, but unfortunately we can’t speak to that interaction.

After we were able to help establish that everyone had the correct information, United offered to re-book Mr. Szabo on the next available flight to New Orleans, which was the following day (the original trip was booked as a 6 day vacation). Mr. Szabo declined this option and decided instead to not take the trip. Despite the fact that this trip was a pre-paid package purchase and therefore non-refundable, we were able to help negotiate a refund of the car rental with Thrifty. Unfortunately, because of the circumstances that lead to Mr. Szabo’s cancellation, neither United nor the hotel were willing to offer a refund.

As a side-note, United did change the departure time for Mr. Szabo’s flight several months before his trip by moving it roughly 45 minutes earlier than originally booked. I’m not sure if he mentioned this part to you, but it was included in our case notes. An automated email notification was apparently not received by the customer, but we were able to deliver this information verbally when we spoke to Mr. Szabo on the phone for a related matter (he requested a separate change for his travel plans). This was in late March, and was over a month before his May departure.

OK, so according to Hotwire, Szabo knew of the flight change. Its records show he could have flown to New Orleans the next day, missing just one day of his vacation. And the tickets he had shouldn’t have caused an hour’s worth of confusion, either.

I’m reluctantly sliding this one into my “case dismissed” file. I’m not sure what to make of Hotwire’s explanation, but I do know that short of going to small claims court, he’s not going to get a full refund from Hotwire.

(Photo: Adam R eeder/Flickr)

  • http://jpportz.livejournal.com/ Jeremy

    LAX is not THAT big, if you think so you clearly haven’t been to places like London-Heathrow or even Atlanta.  All of the terminals are connected and face the same roadway, with frequent shuttle service.  I can’t see it taking more than 15 minutes to get between terminals, if you know where to go, or *maybe* 30 minutes if you’re a bit dim and can’t read signs/maps, and therefore need to spend lots of time asking for information.

  • Anonymous

    I think there are 3 issues in Mr. Szabo’s case:

    (1) Did his itinerary-receipt provide clear information that he was flying on a UA airplane and to check in with UA at LAX?

    I agree with you about giving him the benefit of the doubt. Also, not everyone is an expert flyer who can decode flight numbers and even the DOT believes code shares are confusing. Maybe Hotwire could have done a better job telling him to check in directly with United.

    (2) Did UA have his reservation so he could check in?

    The answer is NO. UA had no record of his reservation in its departure control system. This is the reason why the UA agent grilled him for his “reservation number”. IMO this is USAir’s fault since they sold the flight.

    (3) Was is reasonable for Mr. Szabo to turn down the offer to have the rest of his vacation?
    Probably not.

  • Anonymous

    i worked at LAX for 6 years. there is the “A” bus that goes between every single terminal, approximately every 7 minutes. it’s labeled “Airport Connections”.

    for those who are unfamiliar, LAX is in a U-shape, or a horseshoe. USAir (Term 1) is at the bottom of one side of the horseshoe, while United (Term 6/7) is at the bottom of the other. you can either wait for the A bus that picks up directly outside of USAir’s baggage claim, and drive around the horseshoe to United, or you can cut straight across.  in neither of those cases would it take 45 minutes.

    furthermore, the simple asking of a USAir rep (or *any* airport person in Terminal 1) would tell you how to get to United in less than 15 minutes.

  • Anonymous

    as someone who works for an airline, there have certainly been times when i’ve needed more than just an ID. about 99% of those times, it’s because the person has spelled their name wrong (or used married/maiden name), or booked on the wrong date, or even from the wrong airport. when that happens, the record locator is invaluable.

  • Anonymous

    it sounds like it would be a pleasure for me to check in both you and your son! on behalf of ticket counter agents everywhere, i thank you!

  • http://www.pipdigital.com Nancy Dickinson

    You’re a doll, flutiefan!  I don’t believe in starting out a trip behind the 8 ball.  We even make sure our carryon will fit and our suitcases meet weight requirements BEFORE getting to the ticket counter with the suitcases being weighed at home.

    If more parents spent time with their kids teaching them how to do things like this, Chris would nearly be out of a job.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    You misunderstand my post.   If the OP is on the departures level and learns that he’s at the wrong terminal.  Unless he knows about the shuttles on the lower level, why would he go downstairs instead of out the door he came in?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    True, but it is most likely from the story that the OP walked the entire perimeter of the horse shoe, rather than cutting across the parking lot as any Angeleno would know about.  Laden with luggage that can easily take 30-45 minutes or more.

  • Anonymous

    Probably was on hold for most of that time.  I had to call about a car rental on my last trip and was on hold 28 minutes waiting for a rep to pick up the phone.

  • Anonymous

    Agree with your points.  I found (last trip) that United does not play nice with USAirways. 

    Re reservation number:  I had one for United and another for USAirways.  Same trip.  Maybe Mr. Szabo gave UA the *other* number. 

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to see a “Trusted TA site” like the trusted car mechanic site run by Car Talk.  I found an excellent mechanic that way and would like to find an equally excellent TA.  How about it, @Christopher Elliott?

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    Wish I could “Like” your suggestion more than once.

  • Anonymous

    Be glad you had both US’s and UA’s Reservation #s (aka Record Locators or RLOC).

    It is a known issue that USAir reservations of codeshared UA flights
    have problems making it to UA’s departure control. So when you try to
    check in with UA, they don’t have your reservation.Here’s one documented casehttp://slowtalk.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/275002353001/m/866007353001?r=556007095001#556007095001 

  • Peter Foss

    USE A TRAVEL AGENT!

  • Anonymous

    I have never had a client have a problem.  We are on Sabre and all
    confirmation numbers print out on the end of each flight segment.  I go over everything with the clients, provide toll free numbers to each carrier.  Maybe I should knock on wood, but maybe providing information and assisting our clients is the key.  You don’t get that online!!!!!! 

  • Anonymous

    Much as several international airlines (I think Pan Am being the first) started assigning multiple flight numbers to a single transatlantic flight, each then corresponding to a domestic flight segment between the U.S. gateway and scores of small U.S. cities. Another trick by the airlines to purposefully deceive passengers into thinking there was a direct service between Podunk, U.S.A. and London England (with the disclaimer, if offered at all, that there would be a “change of gauge” at the gateway city, as if many people would understand that obscure expression).

    There is a shameful history of airlines trying to deceive potential customers, in each case creating the impression that more was available than was actually being offered.

    (Actually, the multiple flight number it is not limited to airlines. Railroads had done the same for many years when trains were combined. To this day, Susquehanna Trailways, Hampton Jitney, and others sometimes require an enroute transfer for “through” bus service.)

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    AMEN Nancy, my friends tease me about being over-prepared when I get to the airport but my research before hand has been the reason we made tight connections, resolved ticketing problems before we get to the airport and pretty much prevented many of the headaches I see presented here on a daily basis. That 15 extra minutes at home mean a ton less stress on travel day. 

  • Anonymous

    To ensure a certain number of seats for the other carrier — that is why sometimes the same flights are cheaper on one carrier than the other.  Itnterlining just assured you could check baggage and cargo thru.

  • Anonymous

    In these hard times companies are going to learn the hard way that for every story like the one above, are going to damage their business a hundred fold.  

  • http://oussamastake.blogspot.com/ Oussama

    I guess if he read the itinerary it would have said operated by UA and listed the terminal number. If the check in was already closed, why the phone call to Hotwire. Checking in does not require a reservation number, just the last name and the flight number besides I have never met a check in agent who is shy to advise you that the flight is closed.