This summer, airlines takes “ridiculous” to the next level

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Just when you think you’ve heard it all, you hear from someone like Stewart Sheinfeld, a reader from Chicago who is flying to Morelia, Mexico, on the discount airline Volaris.

Sheinfeld says when he booked online, he was offered an “On Time Performance Guarantee.” Now normally, a performance guarantee comes with the product. But not this one.

For just an extra $7, Volaris said it would guarantee his flight would arrive within 30 minutes of his scheduled arrival time. And if it was late?

“We’ll give you $100 USD of Volaris electronic credit to keep flying with us,” it says.

Pay for a guarantee. That’s a new one to me.

“It’s like Vegas,” says Sheinfeld. “Place your bets.”

I had never heard of Volaris’ $7 guarantee. Then again, I’ve stopped asking the question, “What’ll they think of next?” My friends at Spirit Airlines cured me of it. I don’t want to know. You probably don’t, either.

Air travel in the summer of 2012 is fraught with ridiculousness that goes far beyond fees, though. It extends to policies, processes — and to you.

A few weeks ago, I wrote about United Airlines’ new reservation system, which had a few bumps when it merged with Continental. More than a few, actually.

It was only a matter of time before someone forced me to invoke Kafka in reference to the new system, but Linda Schofield made me do it.

Her United flight from Denver to Aspen, Colo., turned back because of inclement weather and landed in Denver. That’s not uncommon. But the United misplaced her luggage (also not uncommon) and left her in Denver with no way to get to Aspen (that is uncommon). She had to rent a car to get to the resort town.

But that isn’t why she contacted me. She says a United agent promised her a refund on the unused flight to Aspen, and when she tried to get it, she got lost in a maze of call centers and confusing web pages.

“I have tried calling the refunds office and the customer service office and got nowhere,” she says. “They keep referring me back to the website to submit another request, which I feel is complex and useless.”

The problem is that the site won’t accept her refund request without a confirmation number, which she no longer has. And the call center employees refer her back to the website, even when she tries to explain her problem.

“This system is clearly designed to thwart any reasonable attempt at communication and to prevent them ever having to process any refunds,” she says. “I’m so angry at United, I could spit.”

I’ve sent her a few high-level contacts at United, and I’ll help her get a refund. But in the meantime, I wonder how many other passengers who need refunds have gotten stuck in this Kafkaesque process.

Too many, I would bet.

Of course, the “ridiculous” cuts both ways. Consider what happened to Helton Harrison on a recent JetBlue Airways flight. It wasn’t the in-flight experience, which he says was “wonderful” but the other passengers, that made him cringe.

“They didn’t put their carry-on in the bin above them,” he remembers. That forced him to stow his luggage in the bin several rows back.

“This caused chaos and confusion when the plane landed and some in row 4 had to be searching for their luggage in row 11. This simply was ridiculous because some passengers do not learn to follow rules and apply common sense,” he says.

If this conflict, which is a variation of the “bin hog” problem, is bad on JetBlue — an airline that includes the cost of your checked luggage in its ticket — you can only imagine what’s happening on the rest of the airlines, which charge for the first checked bag.

Can you say “chaos”?

But as the busy summer travel season unfolds, here’s a question for you: Which of these is the most ridiculous? Is it the creative new fees travel airlines invent? The maddening systems that prevent us from getting what we’re entitled to? Or is it … us?

The pool’s open.

  • emanon256

    That $100 extra for a second bag was announced back in May, not this morning, and it’s for long-haul flights to and from certain airports in Africa only.  It’s not for all international flights.  Also it was done to match the fees already being charged by KLM, Air France, and other Sky Team members who dominate the African market.  I am not saying I favor the fee; I just want to point out that it’s not all International flights.

  • the_desh

    Great idea… and if they raised everyone’s seats by another 12″ (taking care to make sure there’s enough headroom), they could turn the under-seat space into footlockers.

  • TonyA_says

    Re:I personally never recline …
    Me, too. Reclining makes me more uncomfortable. Cathay has that seat that slides down (the one you are referring to). I don’t  “recline” that either.

    Funny, we just bought 2 Lazy Boys to replace older non-recliner sofas and chair. I kept my old Ethan Allen oversized chair since I have learned to fall asleep pretty well without reclining.

  • TonyA_says

    I really think they should give up on those recliners. All they do is create misery for the people behind your seat.

  • flutiefan

     coincidentally, today i had TWO sets of passengers that i couldn’t find by name or flight. thankfully they both brought their PNRs. and that’s when we discovered that the 1st one had booked for July, and the 2nd had reversed the city pairs and had the wrong date.
    without the PNRs, i never would’ve found them.

  • flutiefan

     EXACTLY what i was thinking, all of it.

    turned around and canceled due to the weather. how did she then expect United to get her to her destination? bus? they fly airplanes, they don’t have buses on standby in case Mother Nature doesn’t cooperate. and who’s to say the roads were in any better condition? just not sure what she felt was reasonable for United to do (other than refund the ticket) when the weather prevented them from flying the airplane to the Aspen airport.

    yes, she should be getting a refund for the unused flight. and she should have numerous records of her PNR *somewhere*.

  • flutiefan

     i saw a passenger do that just last week! grabbed a guy’s windbreaker that was balled up in the bin, and said “who has this?” and then told the guy to put it underneath the seat in front of him. he did it, but was majorly miffed. i even heard him complain to his traveling companion, something along the lines of, “well why is her bag more important?” Because it’s what belongs in that bin, not your dang coat, jerk!

  • flutiefan

    nearly everyone here has a comment or story about passengers bringing on oversized items. i’m proud to say, not on my watch!  my coworkers who board flights are zealous about making sure every bag fits in the sizing box. i make announcements that we KNOW the box is smaller than the bin… that’s because the bin isn’t designed to hold items only for YOU…. it’s for 3 people.  i also point out that I FIT IN THE OVERHEAD BIN! but i’m clearly not carry-on size!!!
    and yet when we see a large bag and ask them to test it in the sizing box that’s right there by the jetway door, they FREAK OUT when it doesn’t fit and we require them to check it. i mean, GO BONKERS!  “I always fly with this bag.” “I used this bag on the way here.” “It fits in the overhead bin.” “I’ve never had to check in this bag.”  the list goes on & on.  so if we don’t police the carry-ons, we get blasted by some travelers. if we DO, we get blasted by the others. can’t win!!!

    and don’t get me started about when they have to pay to check in that giant refrigerator-sized bag after checking in their entire apartment at the ticket counter….

  • TonyA_says

    Besides, how many travelers need 2 bags? I have trouble filling up my 25″ suitcase which (fully loaded) weighs about 32-35 lbs.

  • TonyA_says

     Why don’t the airlines make a rule that the overhead bin which is labeled with the seat numbers are ONLY for those seat numbers and each seat occupant can have a MAXIMUM of one item (no larger than 6 x 20 x 9 in / 41 x 51 x 23 cm). Anything that is found inside that does not belong to the legitimate occupant will be gate checked or left behind. :)

  • Raven_Altosk

    You are my hero.

  • emanon256

    I’m with you; a second bag is a lot.  I only checked a second bag two times that I can remember, both times I was commuting to a client where I got a local apartment and when I moved out, I had accumulated enough that I brought my regular roll-a-board and a bigger suitcase.  In one case I also had a printer too, but shipped it rather than dragging 3 bags.
     
    I am wondering if its safari gear or rock climbing gear.  I have a friend who claimed Kilimanjaro recently, but he shipped his gear in advance to avoid second bag fees.
     
    Either way, you inspired me to make sure correct info is posted here, so I did :)

  • Raven_Altosk

    I was in FC on a flight to Puerto Rico. A bridezilla boarded with her carryon, purse, and her wedding gown. The FAs attempted to find a place for the gown in the closet, but bridezilla was crying (really!) and screaming that it had to lay flat.

    One of the FAs actually took bags out of the FC overheads and was telling FC pax to “put them under our seats.” We all refused; why should we be inconvienced for this bridezilla?

    FA wasn’t happy, but the gown was placed on top of our stuff and bridezilla yelled at the entire FC cabin “None of you better touch my dress!”

    Well guess what, her dress was touched. She kept coming up to “visit” it, and after the third visit, the on-board lead told her to stay in her cabin and told the FA that wanted to move our stuff she was totally in the wrong.

  • Raven_Altosk

    I would’ve crop dusted him every time I got up, too.

    *evilz*

  • Rosered7033

    Personally, I love the business travelers who pack light. My personal hero is my SO, who left Monday with his rolling briefcase and small duffel for a 3 night trip to Chile. Don’t know if I could do it, but I applaud those that can & do.

  • emanon256

    Soon they will be reaching out to Chris :)

  • emanon256

    Millions of likes!!!!

  • TonyA_says

     When we travel as a family, we give all our extra space to my wife. After all these years, she still can’t figure out that she probably does not need everything she brings. The real problem is when you have to dress up for one occasion and hit the beach on the same trip. Those formal wear stuff are the worst to pack. Those who have to go on trips very often have learned that it is not worth it NOT to pack light. Maybe a few bumps and bruises and a painful back is all that’s needed.

  • flutiefan

     isn’t it true that the seats on Spirit don’t recline?

  • Raven_Altosk

    My GF wanted to bring 10 pairs of shoes on a dive vacation of 2 weeks…

    I don’t get the shoes thing. 
    I really don’t.

  • TonyA_says

    Don’t want to know anything about that carrier. Hope to never fly them.:-)

  • flutiefan

     ohmygosh, it seems EVERYONE i check in is crying over that 2nd bag! i’m just of the mindset that NO ONE needs 100+lbs of stuff on vacation. if it’s overweight or you have excess of the allotment: PAY IT.
    and if you’re moving: SHIP IT.

  • TonyA_says

     Maybe your GF is related to Imelda Marcos ???

  • TonyA_says

     Create a system like handicap parking. There must be a solution to STOP folks from taking in luggage that they can check in JUST BECAUSE they don’t want to pay the fee.

  • Raven_Altosk

    I don’t have to pay (yay, status) but when I dive, I do pack a second bag full of dive stuff. 

    If I did go over my allotment, I would gladly pay than rent my equipment.(Ewww…)

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    Linda Schofield don’t lose or find your confirmation number. It really is that simple.

  • flutiefan

     see, now that amount of stuff on that type of trip totally makes sense!
    and behalf of all agents out there, i thank you for not putting up a fight when you’re items are over the limit :)

  • technomage1

    I always like it when I see you all doing this. Thank you!

  • technomage1

     I only recline if the person behind me has, and then only fully if it’s an international flight where everyone is sleeping.  And I always look back prior to doing so to ensure they’re not eating, working, etc first.

    I wish all airlines had the feature that if you reclined you took up your own space and not the person behind you.

  • technomage1

     The one exception need wise that I would suggest is military deploying and or moving.  With the uniforms/gear we are required to carry, and for the amount of time we need it, we need the second bag.  But the government can and does pay the fee for us (and a lot of airlines let us check it for free on orders anyway).

    But you’re right in most cases.

  • Rosered7033

    My SO sees this the same way you do – it will make his day when I show him he is not alone. He rents his tuxes for the formal nights, I just can’t bring myself to do that for my formalwear, so I am in your wife’s camp.

  • mikegun

    They actually call them “pre-reclined”.

  • mikegun

    Of course, and by now they have learned to manipulate a screenshot to “prove” it wasn’t their error!

  • Cybrsk8r

    And what do you want to bet that there are loopholes, written into the rules, you could fly a plane thru, just designed to let the airline deny that $100 worth of vouchers?

  • Cybrsk8r

    “Seriously, are people that ignorant?”

    Are you new here?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Kind of like the express lane at the grocery store.  Works for me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Who needs two bags?  Lets see: people with winter clothing, professional attire, large people, any gear too big to carry-on, gifts for kids, souvenirs, etc.

  • jet2x2

    If I want to take my photography equipment I need two bags.  And no way am I going to check a bag when I am flying to catch a cruise – if your bag misses you, you are really out of luck.  

  • jet2x2

    One pair for every outfit silly…

  • jet2x2

    As long as you guys are consistent, more power to you.  I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been harassed by FAs about my camera backpack, which fits perfectly under the seat, and then I watch idiots put huge “carry-ons” in the overhead and take up everyone’s space.  It makes me want to put everything in the overhead bin no matter how full the flight, which is not nice and a testament to how flying these days puts even usually considerate people into bad moods.  

  • Sadie_Cee

    A woman after my own heart!  I experienced something similar on a 7-hour flight. 
     
    We were in F/C and the man in the seat in front of me reclined his chair to the fullest extent and put his large feet on the bulkhead before him.  His head was almost in my lap!  The FAs serving meals asked him on several occasions to raise his chair, but he ignored them totally.  As a result of his hostile attitude, I didn’t want to say anything to him directly.  I was unable to sit, eat t or read comfortably.  However, as I had hands, knees and feet, I found an occasion to bang or kick the back of his chair “inadvertently” quite frequently.  I did this while pretending to change my position or to retrieve something from the floor.  Every time I returned from the w/room, I averted my eyes so I didn’t have to look at him, but I gave his chair a few kicks and bangs as I resettled myself.  None of that convinced the boor to place his chair upright. 
     
    When we landed, he stood, turned around and gave me the most terrifying glare imaginable. I put on that innocent look that I am famous for while inwardly daring him to say a word.  He didn’t, but then I knew that he knew what I had been doing.  At home, my travelling companion said he was convinced that from the conversation he was having with the person next to him and the unusual (to me) language they were using that they were foreign secret agents.  LOL

  • Sadie_Cee

    A woman after my own heart!  I experienced something similar on a 7-hour flight. 
     
    We were in F/C and the man in the seat in front of me reclined his chair to the fullest extent and put his large feet on the bulkhead before him.  His head was almost in my lap!  The FAs serving meals asked him on several occasions to raise his chair, but he ignored them totally.  As a result of his hostile attitude, I didn’t want to say anything to him directly.  I was unable to sit, eat t or read comfortably.  However, as I had hands, knees and feet, I found an occasion to bang or kick the back of his chair “inadvertently” quite frequently.  I did this while pretending to change my position or to retrieve something from the floor.  Every time I returned from the w/room, I averted my eyes so I didn’t have to look at him, but I gave his chair a few kicks and bangs as I resettled myself.  None of that convinced the boor to place his chair upright. 
     
    When we landed, he stood, turned around and gave me the most terrifying glare imaginable. I put on that innocent look that I am famous for while inwardly daring him to say a word.  He didn’t, but then I knew that he knew what I had been doing.  At home, my travelling companion said he was convinced that from the conversation he was having with the person next to him and the unusual (to me) language they were using that they were foreign secret agents.  LOL

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I can’t stop laughing at this one…  Raven, you rock!

  • ExplorationTravMag

    This is almost as good as Raven’s “crop dusting” comment…

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I’m planning to look into something like that already.  I get so many dirty looks from people when I whip the bag up in the bins.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I was the last to board an evening flight once and it was the last leg of a very long week/flight for me and I was on my way home.  My prior flight was late getting in and by the time I got to the plane, everyone else had stowed their stuff in the overheads.  I KNEW I wasn’t going to find anything open for my bag.

    But LO, as I walked towards my seat, miracle of miracles, the bin over my seat was empty enough for me to put my laptop/camera bag!  I was about three or four steps away when some young chippy in the row behind me jumps up and puts her coat and a dried flower arrangement in my slot then sits back down (both things that would have fit nicely under the seat in front of her).  I started to scoot her stuff over so I could put my bag in when she shrieks (as Drama Queens are wont to do), “You can’t put your bag there!  I have a dried flower arrangement in there!”

    She said it with just enough whine in her voice (I have children – my tolerance for whining is pretty much zilch) and it kind of pissed me off she took MY space with her coat and flowers.  I no longer bothered with “careful” and I slammed my bag in, crushing her flowers and said, “Wow, you must feel really stupid right about now.” and sat down.

    She complained to the FA who looked at her feet (and the empty space, save her feet) and said, “It wouldn’t have been a problem if you’d put them under the seat behind you.”

    Victory was mine.

  • Susan Anthony

    I would say, this can work properly. The schedules are perfect and more insured. Volaris is perfect for time.

    Boston Hotel Rooms

  • technomage1

    Which would also probably be safer since objects couldn’t fall. There would still need to be room for the lights and oxygen system, etc overhead, though.

  • cjr001

     Or somebody – TSA or an airport/airline employee – decides to help themselves to your gear.

  • cjr001

    As I’ve said before, I think the overhead bin situation is generally overblown simply because the airlines don’t enforce their own useful rules regarding their use:

    If you’re sitting in the back of the plane, don’t be putting your stuff in bins in the first. Use the space under the seat in front of you. Etc.

    I had a flight awhile back where there was no overhead bin space left by the time I got on the plane. I had a garment bag I needed to put up there. I dislike having to fold it up in the first place, but, well, planes no longer have proper storage areas for garment bags.

    Finally a lady volunteered to take her oversized PURSE out of the overhead and move it to under her seat.

    Is it any wonder I generally hate people? :)