The mystery of Oyster Bay’s energy fee deepens

You wouldn't believe our utility bills! / Photo by Candi Berger - Flickr
Last month, I reported on the possible re-emergence of energy fees in the hotel industry. Today, I have some good news for you — and an update from the hotel that allegedly charged the fee to one guest.

Since that story was published, I’ve heard from no other travelers who had to pay a mandatory surcharge to cover their hotel’s energy costs. So the problem appears to be contained for now.

Well, not entirely.

Almost two weeks to the day after the post was published (the feature first appears on Frommers.com, then a few days later on my site and in syndication) I received an email from the general manager of the resort that was said to have charged the fee. He said the Oyster Bay Beach Resort does not force its hotel guests to pay for energy usage, that he had no record of the customer I interviewed. And he claimed I never contacted him.

Uh-oh.

So today I’m going to do a deep dive into the facts to determine what went wrong — and, most importantly, to find the truth about the Oyster Bay’s fees.

Energy fees

Does Oyster Bay charge its guests for energy usage? Yes.

“We do charge a $12 per day energy surcharge for a two bedroom and $7 for a studio apartment for our timeshare guests and exchangers given the high level of utility costs on the island,” said the manager. “We pay over 42 cents per KWH in St. Maarten and since the water is desalinated also the cost per cubic meter is very high.”

OK, so the guest who had complained about the energy fees was staying in one of its two-bedroom units. In his email to me, he hadn’t drawn a distinction between the hotel and timeshare unit. He just said he was staying at the resort.

But Oyster Bay says it’s an important difference. Timeshare owners are informed about the energy fees in their contracts and when their stay is confirmed. It sent me one of the letters, which does indeed note the existence of a utility fee in the fine print of its confirmation letter. So this guest — if he’s really a guest — should have known about it.

The mystery customer

What about the traveler lodging the complaint, Jack Permadi? Oyster Bay says it could find no record of him. I sent the resort a copy of his email correspondence, and it quickly located his record, although it was under a different name.

I’m always concerned that someone isn’t who they claim to be online, particularly when they’re making a charge like this (no pun intended) against a travel company. In a world or savvy reputation-management companies that try to manipulate search engine results and TripAdvisor reviews, hotels would do almost anything for a good write-up. I’ll have more on that in a second.

You never wrote!

The most baffling of all the accusations was that I hadn’t bothered to ask Oyster Bay about this fee. If I had, I was assured I would have been given a quick reply. A review of my records show that I sent an email to the general manager’s address, contacted Oyster Bay through its Facebook site, which it acknowledged, and then sent another email to its general “in” box, after being referred to it by someone answering its Facebook page.

In each email, I was clear about my intentions — I was a reader advocate trying to answer a question from a guest about energy fees. I enclosed the customer’s email in each of my requests.

The emails were sent May 6. I waited four days for an answer before filing the story, and the post appeared May 12.

Oyster Bay claims it never received any of the emails. I find that difficult to believe, since it had acknowledge my Facebook post, and knew that my question was coming.

“I am sorry but our Facebook page is a social page for our guests and owners (and) is not a business page or an official way of communicating for us,” the general manager wrote to me in an email.

Oyster Bay is disappointed with my original story — “pissed” is how the manager described his reaction — and demanded a new article clarifying the fee. The Oyster Bay Twitter account also sent me several public messages berating me for committing a reckless act of journalism. Over the Memorial Day weekend, the manager sent me numerous follow-up emails, repeating his demand for a follow-up article.

I’m happy to oblige.

So, to recap: Oyster Bay does indeed have an energy fee, the guest exists and the resort’s email apparently doesn’t work.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes …

This story offers an interesting look at hotel reputations and how they’re controlled by companies.

Note the lag time between when the story was first published and a belligerent manager began emailing me.

Why did it take almost two weeks to contact me? The first story appeared online May 12 and the manager didn’t contact me until 6:53 p.m. on May 25. Shouldn’t the Oyster Bay’s PR team have caught the story sooner?

If I had to make an educated guess, I’d say the manager was either Googling the resort’s name one Friday evening, or that his reputation management software had IDd a problem in a weekly report.

Either way, he worked quickly to repair the perceived damage. He even told me he’d persuaded one online news outlet to delete the “erroneous” article from the Internet. I won’t mention the name of the organization, except to say that the site never asked me for a clarification.

Throughout our correspondence, Oyster Bay mentioned the online comments, which were costing it precious reputation points.

One reader accused Oyster Bay of “frauding the customer,” adding, “Don’t these business’ know the definition of lying?” (I’m sure she meant to say “defrauding.”)

Another commenter said energy fees, at least the way Permadi described them, ought to be illegal.

“Any hotel that pulls these undisclosed fees is a total fraud,” he wrote. “Obviously they want to present a lower price to the unsuspecting customer in order to get their business, knowing that most travelers in a foreign city won’t walk away from a confirmed reservation.”

Would a new story about Oyster Bay’s energy fee make any difference in the way it was perceived?

The hotel apparently thinks so. It believes the complaint was made by a guest who glossed over several key facts, didn’t do his homework and then complained to a consumer advocate who didn’t bother to confirm the veracity of his story. With these new facts revealed, Oyster Bay’s reputation would be cleared.

I don’t know if it’s that simple. The fact that one of its own timeshare owners didn’t know about its mandatory energy fee comes as no surprise to me. The “utility fee” is literally the last item at the bottom of the Oyster Bay confirmation letter. And I don’t buy the resort’s explanation that Facebook is no way to communicate with it, given how concerned it seems to be about its online reputation.

But I’m most troubled by Oyster Bay’s lack of response to my emails when I began researching this story. Either its email doesn’t work or it simply ignores the messages it doesn’t want to answer. It makes me wonder how closely the resort is listening to its own guests.

Who’s right? As always, I’ll leave the verdict to you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    we never got confirmation from Mr. Elliot that anybody responded to him from FB, another half truth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    We have not control how Interval International handles their booking process.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    By the way I forgot to mention out of the dozens of pictures out on the internet of our resort I love how Mr. Elliot choose to use one where the natural colors of the beautiful water and the resort were distorded!

  • BillyGe

     Hey, that’s almost funny.  Do I show up to your work and knock the cocks out of your mouth?  And no, tool, I don’t work for the property.  I just have common sense.

    You really think a judge would take a couple of emails that went unanswered as proof of contact?  really?  You must not do anything important, because you really are an idiot.

  • BillyGe

     Good one.  I almost laughed.  How about someone bringing up a logical point?  Like not emails going unanswered as proof of something?  Really?   

  • BillyGe

     Do you know they got the emails?  Did Chris even have the sense to check the “receipt” box on the email?  I guess we will never know because he never said.  I hope someone plants you based on you “not responding” to an email.

  • BillyGe

     I didn’t say anyone was suing him.  You clearly have a sixth grade education, bravo.  Chris is accusing someone if a willful negligence.  If you had a business and someone posted something erroneous and used “he didn’t respond to emails” as justification you’d be pissed.

    Or maybe not.  You’re kinda stupid. 

  • BillyGe

    Yeah, they’re cutting PR.  Do yo have the brain cells to actually feed yourself? 

  • BillyGe

     Three emails.  Really.  I hope they file suit and you have to go to court saying you couldn’t be bothered to pick up the phone.  Or try the post.  Or any method that can be authenticated.  You might not lose but it will teach you what journalism means.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Thanks BillyGe.  Good point Elliot CLAIMS he sends 3 emails, they go on answer because they were never received and that give him the right to avoid checking his source and slandering a reputable organization.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Emphasis in the work SOCIAL, not formal business!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    So in your opinion to response gives a journalist “carte blanche” not to verify the source of his information and to print any erroneous information that fits on his blog?

  • emanon256

    I got dozens of pages when I google Jack Permadi. No way to tell if he is real or not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    I am only trying to make sure that I clear a totally erroneous article from someone that failed to act with basic journalistic principles.  

    Called troll or any other name does not matter the facts are out.

    Mr. Permadi does not exist and it shows that Mr. Elliot did not event tried to check that fact.  But you believe 100% that he sent the emails to me?  I have to reason but I don not like seeing our name smeared and opinions based on partial information.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Thanks obviously your lack of input is substituted with insults.  Do you have anything concrete to say?  Check who is Jack Permadi and let everybody know, you will be more useful that way.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Wow, thanks so much for confirming you work for the resort and merely signed on here to start your trolling.  Can’t wait for Raven, et al, to start on you.  Wow…  You’re an idiot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    wrong again.  I will give you my recap:

    -we have energy fees for TIMESHARE GUESTS and they are disclosed.
    -Jack Permadi DOES NOT exist.
    -My email does work ricardop@obbr.com, when people actually send me emails, try it.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    The half-brained idiot from the other day, BillyGe, is back and insulting pretty much anyone and everyone.  Turn loose your wolf!  LOL

    I hope he stays on here so we can all slap him around some more.  Gawd!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    How can you reach the conclusion that this person works for us?  Because he disagrees from your point of view?  I do not hide behind any “fake names” so we do not have any “Trollers”.  

  • ExplorationTravMag

    OMG, you’re such a flipping loon in dire need of meds!  How do you prove you DIDN’T get something?  Give us a screen capture of your inbox NOT showing anything from Chris in it?

    Question – aren’t your arms getting tired from digging that hole you’ve dug for yourself?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    An you feel Mr. Elliot was very honest when he did not bother to check that Mr. Permadi is a total fake name?

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I regularly check my spam and junk mail folders to make sure messages in there should have gotten through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Reasonable attempt he claims he send me one email to my address?  No follow up to that same email?  What about a good old phone call?  What about checking the source of his fake source?  What about being careful before you slander the reputation of an entity?  Come on, be objective!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    3 emails to allegedly 3 different emails.  What about 3 emails to my email and maybe a phone call?  What about his fake source Mr. Permadi how did he checked this source?  So if the gets not answer he is allowed to post whatever comes to mind even if it is totally wrong?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Mr. Elliot in your haste to slander our resort you forgot to address this part of your article:

    “ In a world or savvy reputation-management companies that try to manipulate search engine results and TripAdvisor reviews, hotels would do almost anything for a good write-up. I’ll have more on that in a second.”

  • emanon256

    He had a source who may have used a fake name, however you confirmed your customers email address was legit. And when Chris got not reply he wrote an article about it stating the hotel never replied and the customer who was still real, just using a different name. Perhaps you should check with your staff to see if one of them got the email?

    And besides, last I checked, we still had freedom of the press in the US.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Do you kiss your mother with that filthy mouth?  You need your mouth washed out with soap.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Actually, I’m down to my last two brain cells but I still have enough intelligence left to know I’m never staying at Oyster Bay.

    If I were on the fence about this whole situation at all, I sure wouldn’t be now, given the foul language, insults and idiocy coming from you and you boyfriend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    so do I

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Why not come up with a good argument instead of insulting people.  Is respect not a consideration when blogging?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ricardo-Perez/667030862 Ricardo Perez

    Mr. Elliot this is what I expected your follow up article to the original erroneous one should have sounded like:

    “A few weeks ago I wrote an article attaching Oyster Bay Beach Resort regarding their Energy Fees.

    Unfortunately I attempted contacting the resort but didn’t really checked if they received my messages trying to clarify the situation.

    In addition I assumed that my source Mr. Jack Permadi was a legitimate guest and a real person even though unfortunately I didn’t verified that he was.

    As the result I ended up writing an article that was distributed all over the internet were unfortunately I had a source and the facts that he provided me were not 100% accurate.  In addition to that I decided to attack the credibility of the resort and its GM for trying to clear facts from fiction.

    Unfortunately I messed this one up, but I am human.”

    CE.

    I would have been pleased with an honest correction to your original erroneous article.

    Sincerely,

    Ricardo Perez

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Watch your language, please.