The American way to handle a mechanical delay — or not

About half an hour into the redeye flight from Maui to Los Angeles last Wednesday, the cabin lights abruptly flashed on. But that didn’t wake me up. It was the captain’s announcement that jarred me to alertness.

“We’ve had a fire in the forward galley,” he said with the professional detachment you’d expect from an airline pilot. “The fire has been put out. We’re diverting to Honolulu.”

It was stranger-than-fiction way to end a fascinating trip to Maui with my son (more on that on National Geographic Traveler’s Intelligent Travel blog next week). Our adventure began with a tsunami warning a week before and an evacuation from our ground-floor room at the Grand Wailea.

I didn’t think it could get any more interesting than that. I was wrong.

American Airlines flight 14 landed safely in Hawaii’s capital a few minutes later. All the while, I was thinking: What a great opportunity to experience a mechanical delay, the American way. I was looking forward to seeing a how a full-service legacy carrier treats its valued passengers when something goes wrong.

To be sure, the airline got the important things right. The plane didn’t crash. The airline didn’t rush the aircraft back into service, preferring to send us to a hotel at its expense rather than risk a transpacific flight with a fire-damaged oven. “Safety first” isn’t a meaningless Madison Avenue slogan like “We know why you fly” – they do really mean it when they say it.

Before I get into what can best be described as an almost total customer-service failure, let’s review a little fine print. American’s contract of carriage – the legal agreement between the airline and me – has been watered down to the point of irrelevance over the years. Words like “shall” and “will” have been quietly replaced with “can” and “may.”

But it’s generally understood that when a carrier has a mechanical problem, it will take care of meals, transportation and hotel accommodations. And American did that. Kinda.

Seems the American Airlines staff at Honolulu had all gone home. Two Delta Air Lines ticket agents generously offered to help handle the questions from passengers. (“When are we leaving?” “Will I make my connection?” “Why is it taking so long?”)

American divided the passengers into two groups: First class and everyone else. It tried to discreetly send the premium passengers to the Pacific Beach on Waikiki in taxis, while making the rest of the customers wait for buses that were scheduled to arrive more than an hour later.

Since I was traveling with a six-year-old who was half-asleep, and since I didn’t have any checked baggage to wait for, I decided to position myself at the taxi stand. I asked the first-class customers if they didn’t mind sharing a cab to the hotel. They readily agreed, and we ended up hitching a ride in a minivan with three other passengers.

I was taken aback during the ride to the hotel when they admitted they felt guilty about being first in line. Why guilty? Hadn’t they paid thousands more for their tickets, and in doing so, deserved preferential treatment?

No. Turns out they were either deadheading crewmembers or relatives of American Airlines employees. Some of them hadn’t paid for their tickets at all.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I can’t really complain because they shared their taxi voucher with me, and I’m grateful for that. I also think that in an industry where benefits are evaporating faster than jet fuel spilled on a hot runway, employees have a right to be treated special. But still, there’s something wrong with putting all your employees in the front of the plane. Maybe it’s just me.

American was not proactive about the delay, from a customer-service point of view. Although airlines have the capability of rebooking passengers before a plane makes an unscheduled landing, and could have probably been waiting for us at the gate with new tickets and vouchers for lodging and meals, it did no such thing. Over the next 48 hours, we waited in a series of long lines, spent what seemed like hours on hold, and spoke with agents whose attitudes ranged from indifferent to surly. We felt as if we were being processed instead of served.

Here were the most obvious avoidable breakdowns:

• American didn’t always volunteer to cover passengers’ expenses, as required under its contract. You had to ask for meal vouchers, and some people didn’t, making them spend their own money on food. That doesn’t seem like an efficient way to cut costs.

• The voucher system left a lot to be desired. The meal allowances only subsidized our food in places like Honolulu and Los Angeles, where we overnighted. Why not eat somewhere cheaper? Because the vouchers forced us to eat at a restaurant of American’s choosing – not ours. Also, the merchants had no way to offer change or credit when we ran up a bill that didn’t meet the value of the vouchers. This forced us to either spend more money on food or the restaurant would just keep the difference.

• American left me with the impression that it couldn’t be bothered by the problems of a paying, non-elite, economy class passenger. I abandoned several attempts to call the airline after running down my cell phone battery. I tried to reach it by Twitter, but it had changed its handle recently and apparently was no longer checking its old account. When I reached it on the new account, @AmericanAir, a representative asked me for flight details, which I quickly provided. Then it ignored me for the rest of the trip.

But one conversation near the end of my trip will always stay with me. It was with a longtime customer-service agent in Los Angeles. I politely asked her about the dinner vouchers, believing there had been a mix-up. I said the vouchers didn’t pay for our food, and asked if we had maybe received the wrong paperwork.

“No,” she said, explaining that the amounts for breakfast and lunch ($5) and dinner ($10) were all American could offer. All it had offered for years, actually.

“You should let them know about this,” she said, sliding a printout with the AA.com website across the counter. “They don’t listen to us.”

“Really? American doesn’t listen to its own employees? I can’t believe that.” (I really can’t.)

But she was serious. “It wasn’t always like this, was it?” I asked.

She shook her head and looked down.

“Service used to matter,” she replied. “Loyalty used to matter. It doesn’t anymore.”

  • MVFlyer

    No real big surprises here…although I am somewhat surprised they sent the first class and economy pax to the same hotel. And having employees in first class isn’t surprising–it’s probably in their contract.

    It just goes to show what level the airlines have sunk to.

  • Tom

    In times like that, I think about the folks who were stuck in a subway car for nine hours last winter when a snowstorm crippled the system. They had no food, no water, not bathroom and no heat. At least you were safe, in Honolulu at a nice hotel at the beach.

    I’m also afraid that your concept of the “full-service legacy carrier” died about the time you were born. The high-end luxury trade has migrated to private jets and what’s left closely fits the definition of “common carrier.” CEOs, movie stars, professional athletes, top government officials and the rich do not fly legacy carriers.

    That crewmembers and their families occupy first class seats for free generally is a sign that the airline operates for the benefit of the workers, much like schools are organized for the convenience of the teachers.

    At least Iden will have a story to tell when he gets back to school.

  • SirWired

    I guess this would be another opportunity for me to point out that the airlines are not exactly raking in the dough, even at current reduced service levels. Yes, they are more-or-less profitable at the current moment in time, which is a minor miracle, given that fuel is at prices that would have been crippling ten years ago, but they have years of fed-up investors and gargantuan losses to make up for.

    Customers have been complicit in the “race to the bottom” for customer service. Better customer service costs money, and flyers have been generally unwilling to pay it. It’s that simple.

    One question for you Chris: You complain that the restaurant gets to keep the rest of the voucher. (Which is perfectly normal for any gift-certificate-like form of payment.) Then you complain that the vouchers don’t cover enough. How can they be too large where not getting change is a problem (you were “forced” to order more food?), AND too small to pay for the meal? FWIW, $10 for dinner and $5 for lunch is indeed a joke. $10 for lunch, at a minimum, and $20 for dinner would be more appropriate. I’d increase the size of the vouchers and leave the “no-change” rule in place.

  • MikeS

    You may be the only person in the world that thinks, “Cool! A mechanical failure, let’s see how the airline handles the customers.”

  • Jeanne in NE

    I’m currently sitting in a waiting area in Kansas City’s airport, reading this entry. I’m really looking forward to the comments on this one.

    Years ago, my husband and 2 young sons had a mechanical problem with the car while en route to Seattle. Had to sit 2 days in a small town motel in Montana. Don’t know how you did it with a 6 year old, Chris!

  • Raven

    You’d think American could’ve at least called it’s own people when it knew the plane was making an emergency landing. But no. This is how an entire flight was forced to sit on the runway for 8 hours. Aren’t the airlines supposed to have some kind of “plan” for such situations? Or do they just not care?

  • Christopher Elliott

    @SirWired I understand how that might seem contradictory, but I think they are two separate issues: First, that the allowances aren’t enough (which no one would dispute) and second, that the system is inefficient, forcing passengers to spend exactly to the value of the voucher and allowing the merchant to pocket the rest.

  • Richard Trilling

    EU 261, where are you.

  • DavidS

    Deadheading is when an employee (pilot or flight attendant) must ride for business purposes. If that is the case, the employee may be on a strict time guideline when he/she must be at the hotel in order to get enough rest to be available again for work. Giving them the first cabs may have been necessary. If they were employees traveling on their benefits for personal reasons…shame on them for cutting the line and American for allowing it to happen! As far as the employees’ relatives…shame on American for giving them preferential treatment.

  • Cynthia

    We are getting ready for a trip to Hawaii – on American. The way you were treated doesn’t make me feel very confident for our trip over. It took American over 48 hours to get you back home? ARGH! I’ll let you know how our trip goes…

    Thanks so much for being there and reporting back on all your experiences. I’ve been following you for years! Great job!

  • JimD

    From what I understand the Airlines gets the voucher at a discount. the $10 you got the airline pay maybe $8 for. But then again, since most of them wont pay for a meal, you wind up spending $ from your wallet. The Discount the Airline get is for pushing the biz to them,

  • Christopher Elliott

    @Cynthia, thanks. I think AA would have gotten us back sooner, but all flights were full. It’s spring break.

  • DebbieS

    Just want to clear up a couple of things. First… First class or business is not free for employees or their families. Only coach and only domestic. There are times when I can buy a coach seat cheaper than a first class pass. Next… With the cheap and easy upgrades offered these days… Full flights… I get first class about one out of ten trips. After going thru the stress of just wondering if I will make it on a flight, I am happy with that middle seat I usually get. Lastly, it is a benefit. My girlfriend gets great discounts on clothes I would die for at Nordstroms. My neighbor that works at Disney gets her and her family in for free. Do I for one second whine like a three year old about this? No. How many of you search for the cheapest fare, cheapest seat, cheapest route on the Internet when flying then complain to the airline when you dont get what you THINK you deserve? The airlines are hurting. Employees have taken huge pay cuts. Walk a mile in their shoes before you judge.

  • Ralph

    I have been flying Continental (now United) for 20 years. Whatever first class seats are availsble always go to paying passengers. While standby upgrades have become MUCH harder to get, in all the years I have been flying Continrntal, I have never seen an employees seated in first class when there were passengers eligible for an upgrade.

  • Lee M

    Boy, lets all blame the traveler for being stupid, a jerk, and what ever else we can. No blame to American, no sir. Sounds like union people sticking up for their bro’s.

  • Toni

    Employees and their pass riders were violating policy to tell you that fact.

  • CTP

    @ Debbie. I am not an airline employee, and I agree that getting a “benefit” FC discount is not any different than getting a discount at other places of work. Should the fact that their place of employment was an airline make it a requirement that they should not get to use FC? I also disagree with the idea that treating those in FC differently should be based on how much they paid for the tickets or only for non-employees. There are many ways to get FC seats, from using CC points to redeeming FF miles or buying upgradable fares, not just purchasing full fare tickets. You got a hotel, you got transportation to and from the hotel (even if you did not have to wait for the bus) and you were given food vouchers without having to use a travel ombudsman. Were you only given $15 a day worth of vouchers for meals? That does seem to be a legitimate complaint, but not who gets to be in first nor how they are treated by the airline to me.

  • Ron

    It’s why fewer and fewer people fly … Unless they have to. The airline doesn’t matter. Mad Ave pitches aside, they are all crap.

  • barbie45

    I do not see any serious problems that you suffered. I am no fan of AA or for that matter any airline, with one exception , jet Blue. You were provided with transportation. food vouchers , and accomodations.I do believe all airlines have the standard amount.I assume that most airlines subscribe to the the typical five ten dollar system for vouchers. Also most probably contract with establishments because of prompt payment. It must place a financial headache to tally up receipts. Asking for a refund- well that is tacky. I also consider it cheap and tacky to go to head of the line just because you had a child for first class transportation.Also customer service was probably based on customer behavior, which ranged between nice and surly. Also if you were in line and saw everyone receiving some sort of voucher would you not ask someone what was going on. AA provided you with most important safe transportation, food, and lodging.

  • Clare

    Wow, DebbieS, thanks for “clearing up” things. Could you let us all know which airline you work for, so we can all avoid it like the plague?

    Which should incidentally make YOU happy too, since then you won’t have to deal with us three-year-old whiners who THINK we know what we deserve… a win-win for us all.

    Chris, you get a gold medal for enduring all that with a six-year-old in tow–thanks for documenting everything! While getting dinged for excess baggage two years ago, a United rep at IAD made a comment very similar to the one you recount at the end–she sympathized with the passengers who, she admitted to me openly, were getting “ripped off by United at every opportunity.”

  • Josh

    The issue with the vouchers isn’t as contradictory as it sounds. Because the amounts are too low for each meal, it’s quite reasonable to want to combine them differently (I often don’t eat breakfast, so would rather spend $7.50 for lunch and $12.50 on dinner, for example).

    But I’m sure unused amounts are figured in already — American isn’t paying the restaurant $5, probably more like $3-4, specifically because most vouchers don’t get used fully.

  • Flyer

    We don’t know the *specifics* of those ‘deadheading’ crew– and even if in fact they were actual deadheading crew members at all.. It’s possible they were ‘commuters’ a very different scenario from a DHD passenger… but let’s just say for arguments sake they were DHD passengers.

    If they were in fact DHD passengers AND it was their *contractual* right to be treated as such, then American absolutely did the right thing by honoring their labor contracts. That said, does it look bad to a paying passenger? Sure, but again, we don’t know the specifics. and just because it does or does not look good, doesn’t mean that can or should negate the contractual provisions in the contract.. I’m loathe to say that the contractual provisions– be that in the companies favor or the employees favor should only be met when it “looks” good or looks “bad”.. If the company wanted that flexibility to enforce such terms based on how it might look to the passenger, then that should have been brought forward during the contractual negotiation period.

    Moving on, I’m also aware that it’s *possible* (again, without knowing facts) that the DHD crew were scheduled to operate another flight upon arrival on the US Mainland, so insuring they get their FAA mandated and contractually mandated rest could be an issue.

    Toni raises a good point, the *non-working* employees that *might* have been outside policy as it’s customary that standby passengers are not entitled to any amenity at an en-route diversion point– but again, we’d have to know AA’s internal policy on the matter and we’d need to know these other employee’s actual travel status. But as Toni says from only what has been written- it does sound as if a potential pass-travel violation may have occurred.

    Do I think AA handled it right? No.. As is customary, in hindsight (being 20/20) there were areas that could have been improved upon.. but.. I’m also aware that these situation do occur with nominal amount of advance notice.

    The fact that the flight did a RTFL to HNL and it was apparently at night (no formal time is mentioned) it’s not beyond reasonable that all of AA’s employees had in fact gone home. No airline staffs line stations after the operational day “just in case”.. Now, that doesn’t relieve AA of arranging for some support– be that via a partner airline or even a one-time ground handling agent.. but I do also know this takes time to arrange.. and the time-line here is less than clear.. Again, not saying that AA gets a ‘pass’ for this failure, only that there are some realities and practicalities that go into it.. Had this been during the day– say 10:00 when AA’s HNL station would be staffed, then I’d think a different level of response would be expected.

    As to the notion that they effectively treated First Class different or better than coach– absolutely.. and I don’t loose sight of the fact that these passengers PAID more for their tickets and the exception of better service and amenities.. Does this mean that everyone else should get less? No, it’s not a all-or-none scenario, but I do expect and understand that the FC passenger might get a room at a Hyatt-like hotel and the Coach passenger may get a Days Inn.. The ‘cost’ of that Hyatt room has effectively been paid for via the FC ticket price.. the Days Inn room was paid for via the lower Coach ticket.. Both classes are fully entitled to a *baseline* level of support– no issues there– but I also don’t see anything wrong with giving a higher level of support to those who really have paid for it via a FC ticket.

    I’ll agree with Chris and the others that the meal allowance seems small given not only where he was but also the realities of today’s airport F&B price levels.. I can’t imagine that it’s not programatically possible for AA to allow the local station managers to input what is their *locally* charged F&B price points.. This would then allow AA to customize the levels to meet the prices set at that airport.. No more, no less..

    The issue of th vouchers being over or under is tough.. I can see both sides.. You don’t want to have to pay out of pocket, but the airline does need to keep some level of cost containment on the matter.. So, I think a happy medium is to raise the minimum to whatever is the local prices and then make it a no-change back scenario as that could/should meet most peoples eating/drinking patterns in that airport.

    As to the most lasting part of Chris’ saga– I’d say that this is sadly common in most large non-centralized organizations.. The field usually gets very little input into the decision making process and the people who make these policies aren’t usually or even actually in the field to see ho they will be received.

    Lastly, I do think it bears mention again, that in the end, AA did the big and arguably most important things right… They put safety above all else.. they paid for rooms and food despite to mandate or contractual covenant to the contrary. This doesn’t say the other things aren’t also important, but to be fair it does sound as if AA made a good effort in the matter.

  • Tom

    Not to excuse the airlines behavior, but a ticket from Maui to Los Angeles only costs $200 as part of a round trip fare. That they bused you to a hotel, put you up at their expense, provided something for meals and eventually brought you to Los Angeles sounds like they were willing to take an enormous loss in return for your $200. In the old days when airfares were many times higher airlines could afford to be more generous. People should not expect an all-inclusive night at the Ritz Carlton when a $200 flight is delayed.

  • http://nmdfreelance.com Nancy

    This is just sad… I could feel it coming from the employee…

    She shook her head and looked down.

    “Service used to matter,” she replied. “Loyalty used to matter. It doesn’t anymore.”

    I think we all knew this but to hear it said out loud by an employee – that’s the saddest of all.

  • Joe Farrell

    well, at least you can take to heart that you got no special treatment because of ‘who you are’ as a travel blogger – you were treated just as poorly as anyone else.

    As for the whole airline employees issue – look – its pretty simple – the employees signed up for a free space available Economy class pass – and then the gate agents upgraded them at the gate for FREE – no employee paid for first class. Give me a break -= the gate agents take care of their own just like they want to be taken care of if they or their families flew at a different station – you sign up for coach for free and the wink and the nod is for the free upgrade ‘on an as available basis’ -

    So instead of upgrading the paying customers and putting the employees in coach -the employees get the ride up front. If I were a paying F class passenger it angers me a little to have what used to be a half empty and comfortable cabin overrun with employees – its especially annoying when they get the first meal choice and take my preferred meal. That happens too.

    Well, Chris = welcome to the real world – and as for spring break – for giggles I checked those flights I twittered you – you could have EASILY bought up to 8 tickets on each of them – so this was a situation of AA simply not wanting to walk you to UA and DL – those flights had seats. After all, every airline has pretty much striken the old rule 247 [or whatver it was] from their contract of carriage /. / / /

  • Ana

    Chris, if you think things were better years ago, you are dead wrong.
    I had the same experience with a mechanical failure over the Atlantic in 1995. Airline crew conveniently disappeared upon landing, and we spent the whole time cooped up in a transit lounge. You would think 8 hours in Gander, Newfoundland, would be enough to process passengers and have vouchers and rebookings ready upon landing in NYC, but we arrived only to stand in long lines at 3am.
    When I complained about the poor service, they sent the form letter apology for mechanical problems beyond their control, failing to read the real reason behind the complaint, and put 2000 FF miles in my account, considering the case closed.

  • John T. P.

    Great article – AA has never understood customer service. I’m in my 19th year of an AA boycott. I was in an emergency landing on an AA plane from DFW. Twenty minutes into the flight, they started dumping the fuel; the stairs on the 727 had come down and wouldn’t go up. We had to turn around, fly back to DFW and land “hard” to try and jar the stairs back up instead of dragging them. The young flight attendants looked freaked out, busily reading the manuals (which was fine by me) but the one older, more experienced flight attendant kept her cool. In the end, the landing wasn’t fun (with the “put your head between your knees” routine), they closed DFW, lined the runway with fire trucks, etc. In the end, we were scared, but we lived. So far, so good. They stuck us straight on another 727 and we flew home. Two months later I received a form letter saying “they apologized for the slight turbulence” and included a $25 voucher towards a future AA flight. Really, $25. They were better off just saying ‘sorry’ without putting the value of that experience at $25. When I called to suggest the $25 was silly and that I was returning it, the agent had no record of anything. That was 19 years ago and I haven’t stepped foot on another AA plane since.

  • DJP

    With many airlines the first class passangers didnt pay for first class they are usually people who used miles to upgrade or were part of their frequent flyer program.

    For example last year I was a Delta Silver Medalian member because I flew over 25,000 on Delta over the course of a year.

    On flights I had on Delta in 2010 around 72 hrs before a flight they would upgrade me to first class for part of my route because there were seats available.

    Years ago when I had to be rebooked because of a mechanical delay and airlines still had space for rebooking, I got rebooked into first class.

    Only a small percentage of first class passangers actually paid first class fare.

    Chris, with the rebooking hell how many people pushed to get rebooked on a different carrier just to get back stateside. For example Alaska has a code share agreement with American so American could have rebooked passengers on Alaska flights back to the west coast (SF, SEA, LAX) then you could have split the trip and then flew American back to Orlando.

    I was on a USAIRWAYS flight about 5 years ago from Phoenix that was delayed because of mechanical piece needing to be repaired. We set near the gate for about 2 hrs before we could fly. Luckily the flight was maybe 40-50% capacity. They knew many many of us on this flight were going to miss connections in Charlotte. So while we were in the air the ground crew incharlotte rebooked all of us and set up hotels so it was much more easier when we got off the plane where we were just told to sit down and they called us up by name for us to check if everything was fine. If not then those had to wait to have things changed but those that were satisfied could be on their way.

    The one thing they didnt do a good job of was to try to coordinate hotel shuttles because if they had say some 20 passangers assigned to this one hotel it became difficult to get to the hotel having to wait for shuttles.

  • flutiefan

    my airline doesn’t listen to me or the other frontline employees, either. i also recommend passengers write in their complaints and suggestions, since apparently it means more to come from customers than it does from me. i’ve been at my job 11 years, and it’s been that way since Day One.
    you would think that the company/airline would be highly interested in what i and my coworkers have to say about policies, since we are the ones who deal with them and their implementation every day. but sadly, you’d be wrong.

  • flutiefan

    NOT TRUE @Joe Farrell. After 11 years on the job, I have NEVER ONCE been upgraded to First Class. I’ve had a handful of colleagues who have been, and upgrades aren’t free. Please don’t assume when you have no clue of what these jobs are and how they operate. Thanks.

  • Mark K

    Glad things turned out OK for you and you made it home safely.

    I fly mostly CO and often see uniformed employees riding in first on a regular basis. It bothers me that employees are sitting up front when I know there are FF passengers who would qualify for an upgrade (on a few flights that has been me). I would think the airline would prefer to have happy FF customers sitting in 1st, but I guess that is not how airlines think now.

    Since CO does not give free upgrades to their FF passengers on flights to Hawaii, I always book 1st when I can afford it when I go there (CO 1st to Hawaii is not that much more expensive than a last minute coach ticket, and I usually have to book last minute). I have often sat next to CO employees (not in uniform) on flights to Hawaii who got the seat free. Mostly in coach, but there have been entire families of employees sitting in first who paid nothing for those seats. Once again, I don’t understand since it makes more sense to me to have your high level FF customers sitting in those seats who at least pay for most of their flights. I know that free travel is one of the only benefits left to airline employees and I have no problem with that. But in the past that free seat has always been in coach.

  • Mark K

    @Flyer

    Don’t know when the last time was you were at the HNL airport, but these days the place is a ghost town except right around the time each airline has a flight arriving or departing. Hawaiian Airlines has a fairly full staff all day, but then they have flights going at all hours. CO UA and most others only man their counters starting at the suggested earliest bag check time before a fight leaves. Most of their arrivals and departures are also clustered together to eliminate all day staffing needs. This means if you arrive at the airport early, you have no one to assist you with anything. So even at 10 in the morning there is no guarantee that you will find anyone from your airline at any of their counters unless they happen to have a flight arriving or leaving then.

    I asked about this and an employee was very open about how they all work split shifts now or are part time employees because they are only needed for the short blocks of time. The only place that is open all day is the club. (AA does not have their own club at HNL, they share with Qantas.)

    So it is no surprise that AA did not have staff available. It would have been nice if they did have employees there when Chris’s flight arrived, but then they would have had to pay overtime blowing the budget for the year. However, it sounds like the Delta staff who did meet the plane were equipped to provide the vouchers and arrange hotels and transport.

  • Les

    Thanks, Chris. As a formerly loyal AA customer your experience sounds all too familiar. I didn’t want to become ‘formerly loyal’. I was convinced. Something called “deferred maintenance” seems to be an unannounced part of the AA strategy along with being the industry leader in fees and charges, customer indifference, customer neglect and, when those fail, outright customer hostility.

    Like your nonstop flight that wasn’t, I’ve had a few unplanned stops. Mechanical failures occurring where regular inspection and repair should have prevailed suggest that this carrier is stretching its fleet maintenance budget to enhance the bottom line. I don’t really care if I’m offered a cold sandwich (or none at all) but I do care that the damn hydraulics not fail halfway through a five hour flight. THAT can ruin your whole day.

    While I was never quite Ryan Bingham (George Clooney’s 10 million mile character in ‘Up In The Air’), I have run up a slew of AAdvantage miles in my road warrior days. To try to use them now, even booked many months in advance, produces a downmarket set of flights chopped up by unnecessary segments – and bearing wicked fees. I’ll use the miles up but I’m not chasing any more. Why bother?

  • larry b

    No Chris, it ain’t just you. I used to be married to a Delta Airlines employee and it always AMAZED me that I would get to sit up front while a bunch of business types in suits would be in the back, knowing full well that a lot of them were traveling on very expensive last minute tickets. I find the practice of treating employees better than the customers paying their salaries absoulutely appalling.

  • Andrew deLivron

    With your contacts with in the industry it will be interesting to see if American replies to your post. When the opportunity comes around I generally run the opposite way from “legacy airlines” . Today legacy is just another term for poor customer service because the airline earned its stature.

  • Toni

    One of the quickest ways you can tell that the nicely-dressed person sitting next to you is an employee is that their response to the flight attendant’s question about meal preference will be met with some variation of “Whatever you have the most of.” If a passenger lost out on a meal selection because an employee was served first, that is a violation of policy.

  • Toni

    To larry b: Those “business types in suits” CHOSE not to purchase a seat in first. That’s why they were sitting in coach. If they were given a free upgrade to first after purchasing even an expensive last-minute seat in coach, then why would they EVER purchase a seat in first? That would be giving your product away and devaluing it. It’s one thing for the fellow who bought a first-class seat to discover that his seatmate is an employee; it’s another thing for the same fellow to realize that his seatmate bought a coach seat and got upgraded for free.
    Whether you purchase a seat in coach or a seat in first, that’s what you bought: ONE SEAT. You did not buy the right to have the seat next to you be empty. Who sits in it, what they paid for that seat and who they work for is, frankly, not your business.

  • Carrie Charney

    Last November, I was traveling on a CO from Newark, connecting in Houston for a flight to San Francisco. In SFO, I had to take a shuttle and take quite a stroll to make another connection on UA to Redmond, OR. I was quite exhausted by the time I reached the first UA departure board to discover that my last flight had been canceled. Not looking forward to what was to come, I walked up to the UA service desk and was so pleasantly surprised. It took just 5 minutes to receive my hotel voucher, my $15 dinner voucher and my seat on a flight the next morning, all given to me with an upbeat and warm attitude. I am a platinum on CO, but I was talking to another infrequent flier in the same boat, who had been treated just as well. The whole merger should go this well!

    Whenever I get a voucher, I always make sure I use the whole amount, even if I’m not hungry. I can always take cookies or something non-perishable to my destination.

  • larry b

    @ DebbieS, “My girlfriend gets great discounts on clothes I would die for at Nordstroms”.
    That’s the point. Your girlfriend does not get FREE CLOTHES. She gets a discount. You ride FREE.
    You are comparing apples and kumquats.
    “The airlines are hurting. Employees have take huge pay cuts”
    Have you read the business news lately Debbie? The whole damn economy is hurting. Businesses have been closing by the boatload. The unemployment rate is sky high. You have a job. Geeze

  • Toni

    larry b…..unless you have a certain number of years of service (different airlines, different policies), you almost ALWAYS pay SOMETHING to fly. At my airline, I ride for $0 in coach domestic. Everything else, I pay a fee based on the mileage of the flight, plus fees, taxes, etc. I bet the folks at McDonald’s get a free meal and no one begrudges them. But let airline employees fly and there’s umbrage! You should know that travel benefits make for a safer flight. Ask the folks on the UA into Sioux City. The survivors’ lives were saved by a commuting pilot (not a deadheader; there IS a BIG difference) who was, incidentally, SEATED IN FIRST.

  • Toni
  • Flyer

    @Mark

    I’m in total agreement.. My point is/was that exactly WHEN the diversion was planned would drive to a great extent what resources are available.. Once the airlines last flight leaves for the night (assuming no later arrivals) everyone goes home.. no need for them to be on the clock with no real functions..

    So, it’s not beyond imagination that a diversion after ‘closing’ time would be problematic and make gathering up ground staff a challenge..

    So, my point is that while we know it was at night, we don’t know when at night that was.. *IF* it was after AA’s last PM departure (and assuming there were no more planned arrivals for the day), unless the flight dispatch center or OPB/SOC called the HNL station to alert them to an unplanned diversion coming *AND* they staff still on duty/on premises that had not clocked out and left, it makes perfect sense for AA not to have staff on hand..

    But.. I do think that this doesn’t directly absolve the airline of making the necessary alternative arrangements for ground support– be that via one of their partner carriers, or even with a local ground handling agent… And I do recognize that if this were to be the case, there would some time involved to make those arrangements..

    @joe

    I can empathize with your comments about an empty cabin– but– only to the point that it impacts you as a paying passenger.. If there are employees– or really ANY other passenger detracting from your experience that’s not right and needs to be addressed.. If the employees got first meal preference over you (unless this is either a contractual obligation) then that too is not OK.. but in the end, you pay for one seat in the F cabin.. So long as the employees don’t detract from that issue, the how the airline chooses to fill the remainder of the cabin really is of no importance to you.

    Again, I am NOT saying it’s OK for employees to ride in F AND then detract from it for the paying passengers, but in the end, so long as the rules of their travel are met (positive space versus stand-by) and their actions aren’t disruptive then I see no issue…

  • Scott

    Wow. Some of you hate much? Including you, Chris.

    I have yet to find an industry where employees do NOT get perks better than paying customers, at least on occasion.

    When you see airline personnel in uniform in first class, those are pilots who are on a work schedule, where the pilots need to be flown somewhere to work a trip. This is contractual. But then again, would YOU want your pilot to fly overnight in an economy class middle seat before flying YOUR flight? I thought not.

    To all of you haters against airline employees having ANY benefits, do you realize that airlines executives and members of the Board of Directors get FREE CONFIRMED FIRST CLASS LEISURE TRAVEL for their entire families??? Hawaii, International, anything. This prevents you from PURCHASING a first class ticket. These are also the people getting the huge salaries and bonuses whether the airline is making money or not. But go ahead and keep hating the front-level employees with their occasional benefits, even though you don’t have the first clue of how they really work. The people who serve you never get a seat ahead of a paying customer. Period.

    And Chris, most of the time I love what you rate but occasionally your attitudes amaze me. You state that there were no AA employees and Delta employees did the work. That is very unusual…who is paying them? And then, it is not that surprising if Delta employees may have inadvertently done some things not according to AA policies. They wouldn’t know them!

    Also, you don’t believe that airline executives don’t listen to front-line employees that they consider eminently replaceable? They barely acknowledge their best customers, but they should listen to the people those customers scream at? I find it hard to believe you are that naive.

    And as for larry b, who completely trashes his wife and her co-workers for their earned benefits that he took advantage of, well, there really are no words to describe how pathetic and ignorant your attitude is.

  • larry b

    @Toni, I am well aware of certain fees when flying on passes. Besides being married to a “Deltoid” for many years, I still fly on passes thanks to my girlfriend who added me when her pilot husband died. BTW, My pass always costs more than hers as it should, however most of the time I just buy us tickets.
    Bet you make more than those folks at McDonalds and you also more than likely have a much much better benefit package. Also, since I used be partners in a very well known fast food franchise, you need to know that most of the food that goes to employees is left overs, often times cold and somewhat stale that would have to have been tossed out anyway.
    As to your first post responding to me, a valid point. I do remember one time being bumped from coach, past Business Class all the way to First on an Prague to Atlanta flight. The only thing I could figure was they had an extra meal, and looked at either the number of segments or total miles I had flown with them, cause it sure wasn’t the price I paid for that ticket that go me moved up.

  • Christopher Elliott

    @Scott, I’m sorry if you feel that I “hate” AA. I don’t. Actually, I had hoped to write a positive post about the airline, and I went out of my way to note that American got the safety thing right.

    In terms of the Delta agents, they were receiving direct instructions from an American manager. I had positioned myself near the ticket counter, so I could watch all the back-and-forth. The Delta agents were not getting paid for working overtime. They were hoping AA would reciprocate by throwing them a pizza party.

    I wouldn’t want anyone to think this is how AA always handles mechanical delays. I’m sure the vast majority of mechanicals go smoothly. But it pains me to think there were available seats back to Orlando, and that AA didn’t transfer my ticket, forcing us to wait another day.

  • DFW ROAD WARRIOR

    I fly mostly American because DFW is home to American. Because of that I have held platinum status for over 20 years.

    The sad fact is American has been going downhill ever since Robert Crandall retired. They have yet to find someone of his stature who was not always liked by the employees but still respected to lead American. As a gate agent once remarked to me several years ago when I made a less than complimentary remark about him, “Crandall may be an SOB but he’s our SOB”.

    As for those who have commented earlier about employees not flying first class, let me share my story.

    My wife and I were flying home out of Sacramento after attending a relatives funeral. Because we received short notice of our relatives passing the only seats available to us out and back were first class. When we checked in at the Sacramento airport I obtained my boarding pass at the kiosk but could not obtain my wife’s boarding pass. I thought because she did not have elite status she had to check in at the ticket counter although that was not the case in Dallas. We went to the ticket counter and were informed there was no record of a reservation for her. I then produced our itinerary that I had printed off American’s website where I booked the reservation. The agent could not explain what had happened to her reservation but quickly offered to put my wife on the next available flight that did not leave until midnight, we were on the 2pm flight. When I asked to be moved to that flight with her I was told there was only one seat available in first class. When I offered to fly coach I was told there were no seats available. In fact both we were told both flights were over booked. My only alternative was to call the platinum desk, which I did, and I received the same information we had received at the ticket counter. No one could explain what had happened to my wife’s return reservation. So we agreed I would fly home on the two o’clock flight as scheduled and my wife would take the red-eye.

    Now as the late Paul Harvey would say “and now the rest of the story”.

    I boarded the plane and took my assigned seat in first class. Shortly thereafter a young man in an airline captains uniform took the seat, my wife’s, next to me. We engaged in a brief conversation and I asked him if he was based out of DFW (it is quite common for airline personnel to be based out of one city and live in another) he told me he wasn’t, that he was based in San Francisco and was flying to DFW to visit his sister who lived in Plano, a suburb of Dallas. I asked if he was then flying out of DFW after his visit since he was in uniform. He told me he wasn’t and then went on to explain that it was American’s policy when flying on an employee pass that flight personnel be in uniform in case they were needed during the flight. He went on to say that he wanted to fly out of San Francisco or San Jose but operations could only get him a flight out of Sacramento. He asked me where I was going and I told him that my wife and I were returning to DFW from a funeral. He asked me where she was and I told him she was flying back on the next flight, the red-eye. When he asked why she wasn’t flying with me I told him that was a good question and explained she had a reservation on this flight but when we got to the airport to check in her reservation had disappeared otherwise she would be sitting where he was.

    He never spoke another word to me during the entire flight and spent most of the flight looking out the window.

    American, without asking, put 5000 miles in my wife’s Advantage account but to this day they have never offered us an explanation of what happened to her reservation but we know she got bumped for an American captain who wanted to visit his sister.

  • MichelleLV

    The service on American does not surprise me. You are always “processed and not served” ( I love that term btw). I often fly American only because they have the best flights to my hometown and my parents have frequent flier miles. It is NOT because I think they give good customer service. I’m surprised they didn’t keep you on the plane while they attempted to fixed the issue. I would hope that safety was MAIN reason, but I’m sure it had more to do with time cards and money. Don’t they have limited working hours?. On one of many flights on American I happened to be flying first class (thanks Mom for the FF miles) from DFW to LAX. I’m assuming this was one of the planes that services long haul flights because of the NICE fully reclining seats.. Anyway we were delayed nearly three hours on the plane while they fixed the issue before the flight to LAX. While I was living it up with free food and drinks in first class, I felt terrible for everyone in coach. I have only flown FC a hand full of times and just got lucky with this one. I could have easily been in the cattle car.

    On a side note- I recently flew Virgin America and was pleasantly surprised by the wonderful customer service. EVERYONE (and I mean everyone) was genuinely kind, and seemed to care that I started my day in a good mood. I almost couldn’t believe it because I have never had this experience from customer service. Way to go VA, you have earned my next flight with you. –That is my rule. If I have a good experience, I make a promise put you on the top of my list to fly next if possible. It is the opposite for bad service. If a company is consistently caring (crap happens and I understand) they will get more of business.

  • http://www.phoenixjustice.com Phoenix Justice

    Chris,

    I am glad that you didn’t use your status as a “travel advocate” to get special treatment. For that I have to two thumbs up.

  • http://margerywilson.com Margery

    For the past few years I have managed to be elite on AA (gold/platinum). I have been treated very well the few times mechanical failure has grounded me (hotel, generous meal vouchers). I call the AAdvantage desk as soon as the problem happens and deal with them, rather than start with the airport folks — although most of the time I have to end up back with ticket agents. However, about 85 percent of the time it helps that the Aadvantage people know of my plight — either they call the airport staff on my behalf or tell me what to say/who to speak to. There are a few folks at AA who have gone the extra ten miles for me — and I’ve given them the “thank you” vouchers and also commended them to their superiors.

    “Being taken care of by AA” has spoiled me when flying on carriers where I have no status. And it is one reason I stay loyal — even when I feel like I should be shopping around.

    I have been in the position of feeling sorry (and a tad guilty) for the non-elites who I leave behind as I am whisked off to a hotel. I realize not all passengers on every flight are treated to equal benefits.

  • http://www.santafetravelers.com santafetraveler

    If you get the brush-off, what can we mere mortals expect? If I ran an airline, I’d have your name on a watch list and if you flew with my airline, I’d make sure I knew where you were and that everyone knew you were flying and to make sure you had a great experience. You’re a national travel writer with a huge audience.
    If I was a major travel-related company on Twitter, I’d make sure to have you on a watch list for my Social Media person. If I got a request from you, it would get attention, pronto.
    WTF as they say.
    We had a mechanical issue w/ a door flying Delta about 5 years ago. They did put us up in a hotel, even though it was our “home” airport and a very kind agent gave us an extra day for the one we missed and rerouted us on American so we could get to our destination faster the next day. But, the meal allowance as in your case was paltry. Everyone is trying to save a buck and that was when we still had an economy.
    Wonder if American will get in touch with you now with an apology.
    I have been saying for years that customer service by large corporations in this country is dead. One more nail in the coffin.