Ridiculous or not? Airlines charge fees to use my credit card

When it comes to airline fees, you’ve probably stopped asking yourself, “What’s will they think of next?”

That’s because you thought they’d stop with charging for the first checked bag. But they didn’t. You thought paying for lunch on a six-hour flight was where they’d draw the line. Nope. How about seat reservations — surely they’d be included in the ticket price? Sorry.

So if I told you that you’d soon have to pay for the privilege of paying, that probably wouldn’t sound like a joke. But when I heard from Will Storr, a fellow journalist who lives in England and who had booked flights from Florence, Italy, to London on British Airways, I thought there was some kind of mistake.

Storr was broadsided with a total of $28 in mysterious fees. Like any good journalist, he investigated and found they were credit card fees levied directly by the airline. He says he feels as if the airline “helped itself” to more of his money even after quoting a lower fare through an online travel agency.

Charging customers to pay is highly unusual. In the United States, only one airline, Allegiant, does it. It cleverly avoids the term “credit card fee” because that would violate Visa’s credit card rules and is illegal in 10 states. Instead, it calls them “convenience” fees.

For the convenience of using any of Allegiant’s booking services (inclusive of call center) there is a fee of $17.00 per traveling customer. Purchases made at any of Allegiant is Airport Ticket Offices will not incur a Convenience Fee of $17.00 per customer. All fares are subject to change until confirmed and purchased.

Got that? If you buy a ticket anywhere except the Allegiant ticket office, you have to pay a $17 fee per customer.

European airlines have no such restrictions. For years, no-frills discount airlines have added these credit card fees to their ticket prices. But now the larger air carriers like like British Airways, Lufthansa and Swiss are catching up.

It’s easy to understand why airlines would want to pass the cost of merchant fees along to passengers. They can represent up to two percent of their ticket distribution costs, and at a time when every penny counts, a two percent savings is nothing to sneeze at.

In order to understand how European airlines are rationalizing this decision to us, their passengers, let’s have a look at the recent announcement by Swiss that it would begin imposing a $24 ticketing fee for customers who pay by plastic.

Credit card holders enjoy benefits that extend beyond the ability to make secure non-cash payment. Depending on the card product, such benefits include an extended deadline for settlement of payment and/or the provision of insurance services. Recent years have seen a rise in the related costs, which Swiss has hitherto borne. The introduction of the Optional Payment Charge represents a distribution of the costs on a user-pay basis.

Aha. So Swiss is making the argument that paying by credit card is somehow better, and that customers should be paying more because of it. But isn’t that what your annual fee is for?

Another issue is whether the new fees cover the airline’s cost, or whether they are a source of profit. I think we all know the answer to that one. Airlines aren’t just going to cover their costs; these new fees are certain to become significant source of revenue.

Already, the UK’s Office of Fair Trading has weighed in on this issue, saying it believes there’s “a strong case for a change in the law so that the cost of using a debit card, the almost universal payment method for today’s online consumers, is always included within the headline price.” It is investigating complaints about credit card usage fees.

There are fears that these fees could spread to the United States. Any halfway competent airline revenue manager must be looking across the pond with envy, hoping that the European courts let the fees fly. If they do, they could pave the way for a more widespread acceptance of credit card fees here, and with a little linguistic acrobatics — referring to the surcharge as a “convenience” fee — it’s not inconceivable that a major domestic airline could embrace these surcharges soon.

There are just two small problems, as I see it. First, the airlines charging these fees are being dishonest with themselves and with us. The fees don’t just offset their ticket distribution costs — in almost every case, they also enhance their profits. They make their tickets look cheaper than they actually are.

If cards are too expensive for an airline, then shouldn’t they either stop accepting them or raise their fares? Of course.

My second concern is where this will end. If you’re allowed to charge for using a credit card, can a fee to cover employee salaries, insurance, benefits union dues — or, heaven forbid, CEO bonuses — be far behind?

(Photo: Decla /Flickr)

  • Clarence

    What made this employee an “idiot”?  The fact they were trying to do their job as instructed?  Their lack of fluency in English?  That the store had the audacity to post their policies on (gasp) a handmade sign?  Makes you wonder if the store employees didn’t have a conversation about the “idiot” frequent traveler who didn’t realize that minimum CC purchases are allowable. 

  • Technomage100

    Don’t give them ideas! 

  • Anonymous

    Not entirely, check out Tony’s post.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the ticket will be free. The fees will be $1000!

  • CH

    Just booked on American Airlines and got this message:  If you choose to pay using a credit card, a processing fee of £4.50 per ticket may apply. Payments with debit cards are exempt from this fee.

  • Carver

    I see you what you mean. 

    A couple points.  What you pay to accept a credit card doesn’t vary by which bank issues the customer VISA.  It varies by type of credit card (VISA, AMEX, DISCOVER) and whether it’s also a debit card, gift card, etc. Your percentage is fixed by your merchant account agreement (volume, nature of business, credit worthiness, customer dynamics), not the customer’s visa. 

    So when you swipe a card, the merchant immediately knows exactly how much he’ll pay in charges and can charge appropriately.

    But even if we had the scenario where the fee was set by the issuer.  No big deal.  You should have historical data regarding your credit card costs.  Just charge each credit card user the same percentage, i.e. your average credit card cost.

    Perhaps the Visa customers will be shafted and the AMEX customer get a better deal, but it should average out fairly quickly

  • Carver

    I think the point that John is making is that that is what is happening now.

    Suppose a fair prince for widgets is $100.00.  The merchant gets charged between 1 and 3 percent when someone uses a card.
     The merchant then raises the price of widgets to $102 to cover the lost revenue from the credit card fees.  In this case everyone is paying an extra $2.00 regardless of whether they engage in behavior to reduce the fee.

    However, if the merchant could charge the credit card processing fee to only those who use cards, then I could elect to come in which cash and presumably pay $100 instead of $102.00 since there are no credit card fees to offset.

    So even though I pay cash, I’m still paying effectively paying the credit card offset fee.

  • Carver

    I’d rather not be engaged in telling business how much they can charge for their services. 

  • Carver

    Just this past week.  The feds did exactly what you suggested and regulated the fees that can be charged on debit cards.  The result is that the big banks are about to charge a monthly fee to customers to use their debit cards.  And lets be clear, we all know which customers will pay this fee.  The poorest and most financially vulnerable of us.  Premium customers will no doubt be exempt from this fee.

    Result.  Mr Working class just got dinged $60 a year so Walmart can pay less in fees.  And do we believe that this will be passed along to customers in lower prices.  I’m skeptical.

  • Carver

    The devil is in the details.

    $2100 in 1984 is $4400 in todays money.  Having worked as a criminal defense attorney,  I find the Supreme Court’s logic sound.  That’s an aweful lot of money to carry around in cash. Particularly when air travel is usually purchased by credit cards or even a check.

    The question though shouldn’t be able paying cash, but rather how much cash.  Its not unreasonable that someone has a couple hundred on them and elects to pay using that.  I would argue that anything under the average ATM limit is reasonable and should not spark further scrutiny.
     

  • Mark K

    No, convenience fees are never available sooner that other transactions.  Every dollar is subject to the same holdbacks.  

  • Mark K

    This is all because banks have forgotten why the debit cards were first introduced and they got greedy for profits.  The original purpose for debit cards and ATMs was so that banks could serve their customers 24 7 and not have to have the extra staff to do it.  This meant they could serve more customers for a lower cost which did increase their profits.  Then came charges to the card holder for using other bank’s ATMs and the charges to the merchant when customers used their debit cards to purchase merchandise.  All increasing the profit margins to the banks.  And the fees were increased every year for no good reason other than they could.  

    I have nothing against a bank making a profit or any other business making a profit.  But the banks have gone too far.  Since they are all working together to get Visa and MasterCard specifically to set the fees charged to the merchant, there was no correlation to reality as far as cost recovery goes.  The banks kept pushing the fees higher until the government said stop.  The new fees will end up causing the government to eventually do the same thing – forcing the banks to find some other avenue to make an inflated profit to pay the CEOs obscene bonuses.

  • Carver

    Your post was unclear.

    It states that, “  Credit card companies hold airline ticket revenue until well after the passenger has flown”

    I take that to mean that that if a passenger flies in 60 days, the merchant processing will release the payment in 60+ days. 

    Nothing in your post suggested to me that you were talking about reserve accounts or holdbacks. 

    Had you stated that, “Credit card companies hold, A PORTION OF, airline ticket revenue until well after the passenger has flown”  then your post would have made better sense.”

    Fortunately, Tony A was able to pierce your post.

  • Carver

    bizzilizzit post appears to have a similiar understanding of your original post as I did. 

  • Carver

    I must respectfully disagree.

    I would argue against any notion that the purpose of any financial product is for anything other than to increase the bottom line for the issuer.  Credit cards, debit cards, etc.

    I am against profiteering.  However, I am very concerned about government, which generally lacks day to day experience in any given field, setting prices and other business policy. Case in point my $60 debit fee.  Regardless of whether you believe the bank is right or wrong, its happening as a direct result of government intervention.

    I was strongly against fees to use third party ATMs, but you know what.  They worked.  It causes a proliferation of ATMs around the country, particularly in poor areas that were only served by check cashing places (a true blight on the community, but I digress). And of course these fees are easily avoided by using (cash back at the grocery store, your own ATM, many credit unions, etc.)

    The government said stop because in this instance Main Street had more power than Wall Street.  This is not a moral victory, its power, plain and simple.  As usual the regular Joe gets screwed.

    By the way, CEO compensation is a populism gone bad.  Executive compensation is peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

  • Carver

    I bought my friend a ticket on Spirit. That’s about right.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    In your example, if the fair price of a widget is $100, and the merchant gets charged for taking the credit cards, then the merchant should continue to charge $100 per widget as that is what the going rate is, and pay the credit card processing fee as part of their numerous other expenses including insurance, rental, facility maintenance, payroll, COGS, etc.  I have to pay a courier to pick up my cash, should I add a surcharge to cash purchasers too to cover courier costs?  I think what’s happenings is that businesses are no longer setting a fair market price, but rather setting their profit, and adding all of their expenses to their profit and charging the customers.  So if I see 3 widget stores all selling widgets for $100, and I go to Widget store A with my credit card and pay $100.  But some other person goes to store B also expecting to pay $100 and actually gets charged $102, it’s no longer a fair comparison because both widget stores advertised $100.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    My merchant statements show over 50 different rates on them, each one listing an issuing bank.  I have over 30 rates charged under Visa alone.  So I can’t agree that Visa is always the same fee.  The only ones where it is the same are AmEx and Discover.  So how is it okay to overcharge a Discover customer by charging them a higher rate, but not okay to overcharge a cash or check customer? Check processing costs me more than taking Discover.

  • Mark K

    I’m not saying that the government reaction to what is perceived as excessive fees was correct.  I agree that government does not have real world knowledge about most everything, but someone poked the 800 lb gorilla (congress) enough times and it reacted.  And since its attention is focused on banks right now, the banks shouldn’t keep poking unless they want more regulation.  Banks adding the debit card fee was the wrong approach and I believe the banks are doing it in part so they can say “congress made us do it” hoping for sympathy and maybe convincing the current congress to repeal the law.  
     
    Unfortunately, the fees just increase the average person’s view that banks are greedy and are trying to grab all the cash they can from the people who can afford it the least.  
     
    What happened to the days where banks paid 6% on savings accounts and charged 9% on loans and seemed to make enough profit?  Now they pay 0.01% on savings and charge 21% on loans plus all these fees the dream up and still report huge losses.

  • cjr

    The thing is these fees would eventually have come even if the government hadn’t stepped in. Free checking and debit card fees would simply be added on top of the ones that the government forced the banks to drop.

    It isn’t even a pretense anymore that the banks want to squeeze every last drop of blood from the stone.

  • cjr

    “That’s an aweful lot of money to carry around in cash. ”

    And yet, I do believe you can carry nearly $10k without having to declare it at customs.

    So who’s business is it how much cash you’re carrying if you’re following the law? Why is there a presumption of guilt if you choose to pay by cash instead of being bent over by a credit card company?

    Contrary to the commercials of the likes of VISA, cash is NOT inconvenient.

  • Carver

    There is nothing illegal about carrying large sums of cash. Just as there is nothing illegal about buying a one way ticket.
     
    However, there are certain behavior patterns which are relatively rare among law abiding folks and more common amongst those engaging in illegal activity.
     
    Armed with this knowledge, law enforcement acts accordingly.

    Some common examples that will get you extra scrutiny

    Deposit 10k in cash
    Buy a car over 10k with cash
    Pay a criminal defense attorney with cash
    and the worst
    Deposit over 10k in cash over several days to avoid making a single 10k cash deposit.  That a seperate federal crime even if the money is legit.

  • Jenny

    I don’t think I ever have asked myself, “What’s will they think of next?”

  • Hcollins

    The ‘convenience fee’ is such crap.  EVERY sane person knows it’s a cc fee…
    and so should the cc companies know this.  It’s actions like this ….people
    who push the envelope, where wording has to be VERY specific.  Words like:
    “you agree to not charge ANY fee, no matter how worded, from the customer,
    when they pay by credit card”.  That SHOULD cover the scammers (read:
    companies that try this).  Maybe if we (read: the public) overwhelm the
    cc co’s with letters suggesting this (and threaten a cc boycott if they close
    the loophole), the cc’s would do this.

  • cjr

    The fact remains that our government and their corporate overlords are guaranteeing that you’re going to bend over and grab your ankles one way or the other.

  • John

    I voted “No” because I think if they do this, there will no longer be a “fee-free” way to buy a ticket, which is really a fare increase.

    So, assuming that the airlines are charging a credit card fee …oops, sorry, “convenience fee” to book online, how can I, a poor economy human cargo buy a ticket without incurring a fee?  If I go to the ticket counter at the airport, there’s a fee for talking to a real live human, if I book by phone, there’s a “phone booking fee” and if I book online, there’s a “convenience fee.”

    I don’t mind fees if there is a way to not pay them.  As an example, I can buy tickets for a concert without paying a ticketmaster fee by simply buying at the box office.  Granted, it’s horribly inconvenient, but I can CHOOSE not to pay the fee at a cost of my time.  If there is no longer a choice, it’s not a fee, but rather a price increase.

  • Anonymous

    In this economy, a 3% charge can make or break a business.  Especially with so many companies now using AMEX cash management to pay their six or seven figure invoices, it adds up really fast.  So I voted YES, because it penalizes those that pay by other methods such as cash, cheque, wire transfer, debit card, etc.

  • http://jpportz.livejournal.com/ Jeremy

    Agree with you, Marla – what people always forget in this conversation is that there are costs associated with accepting checks and cash as well!  I once worked in a grocery store as a cash bookkeeper and my entire shift, 8 hrs a day, 40 hrs a week, was engaged in counting the cash, keeping track of the safe, preparing cash drawers, etc.  We also had armored car services to pick up our deposits and deliver change.  We had capital investments in cash registers, a counting room, counting machines, a big time-delay safe, etc.  We had losses to worry about due to cashier mistakes and petty theft.  We had insurance costs to pay, to protect us against larger thefts or armed robbery.  We had security cameras, and a full-time loss prevention officer who spent some of his time watching cashiers for theft.  Every single store in the grocery chain had multiple shifts of cash accountants, a loss prevention officer, plus managers and corporate office people keeping track of it all.

    In comparison, credit cards were handled completely automatically by the computer system, with no staffing requirements at all except maybe a few systems support people at the corporate office.  Sure, the merchant fees were being paid, but which actually cost the grocery chain more?  It is not as cut and dried as it seems.  In this widget discussion, couldn’t it be possible that the costs of a cash-accpeting business could be nearly $2 of that $100 also, when you fully allocate all capital and incremental costs of being able to accept cash?  Certainly airlines are no longer accepting cash in flight because of these types of costs – many accept credit/debit cards only.

  • Carver

    I understand your concern.

    Let me put it differently.  There are certain costs of business that are completely unavoidable.  Rent, supplies, etc. These should be factored into the base price. However, there are certain customer behaviors that add to the the costs of doing business.  If those behaviors can be controlled it would reduce the cost to the business and the smart business will pass those savings on to the customer.

    If you have two customers, that are otherwise identical, but customer 1 engages in behavior that makes the cost of doing business with customer 1 less than the cost of doing business with customer 2, its appropriate the customer 1 receive some sort of reward to incentivize him to continue with this cost reducing behavior.

    For example, when internet bookings were in the nascent stages, many travel providers offered incentives to travelers who booked travel without a live agent.  American Airlines gave a mileage bonus when using kiosks to obtain tickets instead of standing in line.  This was  continued when print at at home tickets first came out.

    Similiarly Starwood gave a 500 point bonus for booking online instead of calling the 800 number or using a travel agent.  The incentive worked. Starwood’s operating costs were reduced because fewer phone agents to hire and fewer travel agents to get a percentage of the room nights.

    I realize that there are associated costs with dealing with cash, but we cannot say with a straight face that the costs are generally higher.  We know that because I doubt any of us have experienced a business, large or small, that gives a discount for using a credit card over cash. 

  • Carver

    Cash certainly has issues. However, I’d be willing to accept that credit cards are ultimately cheaper for a merchant when I see a merchant give a discount for someone paying with an all purpose credit card over cash. (Obviously if the merchant owns the credit card that a different story)

    One thing about credit cards fees which I learned really quickly after I began accepting them.   That 2-3% percent fee is a bit of a misnomer.  If I were only losing 2-3% of my profit that would be fine.  But that percentage is on the gross revenue for the transaction, even the portion that goes to cover my operating cost.

    In my arbitrary hypo, the merchant fee was 2%.  However because it reduced his profit from $10.00 to $8.00, the merchant actually lost 20% of his profit. That’s a huge hit.

  • Carver

    But that’s what you are currently doing.  By charging one rate, you are effectively adding a different profit margin to different customers depending on the method of payment.

    The customer with the low cost visa is giving you more profit on the same item then the person with the higher cost visa.

    Consider Customer 1 visa charges 1 percent and Customer 2 has a visa which charges 2 percent.

    On a $100 widget, you get $99 from Customer 1 and $98 from Customer 2.

    Assuming the item cost $90 as before, Customer 1 gave you $9 profit but Customer 2 gave you only $8.00

    Should you be making the same profit from each customer from selling the identical item?

  • Carver

    You make a good theoretical point.  But in reality, merchants offer discounts for cash, not credit cards, so we have to believe that cash ultimately is cheaper for most merchants.

  • Carver

    But your customers disagree

  • Carver

    I agree with you.  Add-on fees should be for only those items which the customer’s behavior increase or decrease the merchant’s costs. Otherwise it should be included.

  • Carver

    I agree with the first half.

    But the issue with interest rates is a red herring.  Interest rates fluctuate based on forces beyond the banks control.  I remember getting 5.88 percent on my Saving account ten years ago.  but today, mortgage interest rate is as low as 4 percent.  Imagine the absudity of a bank paying 6 percent then turning around and lending the money at 4 percent.  Chapter 7 here we come.

    And before we pine for the good old days too quickly, remember the 70s.

  • Gerry Vineberg

    Dear Chris,

    In regards to “paying a fee” to use a Credit Card and/or Debit Card: I dare you to try & buy a ticket with cash. This will immediately put you on a “watch list” as a suspected terrorist or criminal.
    Trevelling without a Credit Card is very difficult in todays world. Many hotels will charge your card for 1 nite the day before you arrive. You have to give them a credit card to secure all other expenses but in most cases, you can pay the balance in cash as the end of the stay. There is no such option with airline tickets.
    Airlines will not act unless legislated to do so. The average traveller is slammed at every opportunity.
    Keep up the good fight.
    Gerry
    Gerald Vineberg

  • flutiefan

    People pay cash at my ticket counter ALL THE TIME.

  • Tom RI

    Those business practices is what the MOB does not good business do.

  • Tom RI

    How else are you going to pay for an airline ticket? They do not take cash over the internet!  British Airways can not take cash but only at their locations so if your in Bangor Maine do you drive down to Boston to buy a ticket then drive back to Bangor?  You can not put a hold a a flight and then MAIL A CHECK IN by USPS. You can not mail cash in for sure!  They do not accept Paypal.  So how can you pay them?   CREDIT CARD!!!!

  • chris graber

    Of course companies should be free to decide what payment mediums to take. And the idea of not being able to pass along the cost of the interchange, is up to them. Personally I think it is a mistake, but a mistake companies are free to make

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  • AUSSIEtraveller

    Banks charge airlines a fee for credit card processing. There’s also the fraud side of things. Credit card payment charge backs are a nightmare for anyone who would like to take credit cards over the phone or online.

    We’re surprised credit card fees aren’t higher.

    In Australia, we have a much better banking system than in the USA, which must have one of the dodgiest banking systems, of the major economies.

    Any merchant can charge the customers the credit card fee & any handling fee, that they seem fit.