Pay a seat reservation fee — or your kids don’t fly with you

Being separated from your family while you’re traveling is every child’s worst nightmare. Every parent’s, too.

But Daniel Fitzsimmons recently experienced a different kind of separation anxiety, thanks to US Airways.

Fitzsimmons is an attorney from Watkins Glen, NY, and he recently bought five roundtrip tickets between Syracuse, NY, and San Juan. Just a thing or two you need to know about Fitzsimmons: He’s an experienced air traveler who has booked many flights online. And he specializes in real estate and personal injury law, so there’s not much that fazes him.

But what he witnessed when he tried to book the US Airways tickets made him do a double-take.

“After buying the seats, I went back later to select seats on the two connecting flights to make sure I would be seated near my children,” he told me. “On the last leg, I entered my seat, then my wife’s, then saw that the only remaining seats were premium seats.”

Those “premium” seats — garden-variety economy class seats that cost extra to reserve, because they’re considered more desirable — would cost another $30 a piece. That’s an extra $90 to sit next to his kids.

And that’s not all.

Fitzsimmons reviewed the booking screens carefully. (Remember, he’s an attorney.) And he came to a troubling conclusion: “I thought that unless I bought the premium seats, my children would end up on a different flight.”

Why? The online seat selection chart shows a diagram of the aircraft. Each of the seats is numbered.

After selecting seats for himself and his wife, he noticed all of the seats except the premium ones were labeled as reserved and unavailable.

“So looking at the diagram, I concluded that those remaining seats would be taken by fliers willing to pay for the remaining seats and thus, having not been assigned a seat, the children would be put on a different flight,” he says.

I asked US Airways if his interpretation was correct. It didn’t respond to my inquiry, but it did reply to Fitzsimmons’.

By the way, before I get to the airline’s answer, I should say that I’ve never heard of parents and children being split up in the manner Fitzsimmons describes it. If it happened, I imagine the airline would have hell to pay for it.

US Airways’ Choice Seat program, it explained in an email, “gives customers more say in where they sit on the aircraft, by charging a small fee for these highly desirable seats.”

“We pre-assign approximately 75 percent of the seats on each of our flights,” it continued, “The other 25 percent are reserved for Preferred members and purchased choice seats. Once the pre-assigned seats are filled, any other seating arrangements may be made at the airport on day of departure.”

Of course, that’s a form letter that never addressed Fitzsimmons’ perception that his kids would fly on a different plane.

This isn’t really about being separated from your kids.

Fitzsimmons, whose kids are 13, 17 and 19, could easily fly solo. At those ages, I would probably pay the airline extra to not be on the same flight with my children — but I digress.

No, this is about misleading customers into thinking that if they don’t pay for the premium seats, they’ll be separated from a loved one traveling with them. And in my book, that’s a form of emotional blackmail.

It’s bad enough that you have to pay extra for seats in the back of the plane, where there are no comfortable seats, only various levels of uncomfortable. And it’s bad enough that companies like US Airways are parsing tickets and seat assignments. But to be threatened with separation if you don’t cough up the cash for a premium seat seems terribly wrong.

It works, though. Fitzsimmons couldn’t say “no” to the offer.

“Given that there were just a few seats remaining, I purchased the premium seats,” he told me, adding, “What would you have thought, when faced with that seat selection situation?”

  • bodega3

    But he wasn’t sold anything. Nobody made him buy those tickets.  He made the purchase on a website and it was his responsibility to make sure he could seat assignments BEFORE buying the tickets. 

  • mikegun

    Agreed. I remember the days of not getting a seat assignment until I arrived at the gate. The agent had a diagram of the interior of the aircraft with little stickers over each seat. They peeled off the sticker and put it on your boarding pass. 

    The misguided presumption here is that you have to buy a choice seat to get on the plane. Since there were very few seats left, the likely purchased the ticket closer to departure than most others on the aircraft and were left with a limited selection.

    I flew on Monday. I purchased the ticket last minute and had no seat assignment on United. I ended up with an aisle in coach near the front in the Economy Plus section, (no surcharge) even though I have no status. Someone in that seat got an upgrade and I then got their seat. No sweat. Others were in the same position and frantically asking the agent for a seat and did not end up with something nearly as good as me. ;)

  • Sadie_Cee

    I have been trying very hard, but at the end I cannot see a justification for the OP’s complaint.  It could be that I am seeing this from merely a Canadian perspective (paying for prior seat selection has a longer tradition), but in my view anyone who has special needs where seating is concerned (and I include the need to have small children seated next to a parent in this), must be prepared to pay for advance seat selection. 
     
    The prices are affordable and I cannot see that $30 added to the cost of each ticket is exorbitant.  It is a small price to pay for the assurance of having one’s children close, not to mention the selection of a seat that will provide the added comfort one needs.  The additional cost can be built into the overall cost of the trip and in the same way that we have come to accept paying for luggage, we can learn to accept paying for advance seat selection.  
     
    A few airlines, notably Air Canada, offer complimentary advance seat selection on international flights.  On others, the fee could vary between $25 and $80 depending on the destination and the pax’s particular requirement.  Over the years, now that it is possible, I have learned that pre-selection of seating is the only way to go. 

    In one similar piece written by Chris some months ago, we read about people threatening and berating others who would not or could not give up their seats to parents who wanted their children next to them.  This type of behaviour is unfair and unacceptable.  Kudos to those who were able to and did give up their seats.
     

  • Michael__K

    Read the CoCs.

    I’ve seen a family split up (forced to either accept different flights / different dates or pay a fare difference) first-hand.

  • Michael__K

    If there is one seat left when an adult and his/her accompanied minor checks in, what prevents the minor from becoming involuntarily unaccompanied?

  • TonyA_says

    Agree. I was just speculating how he would react IF after he clicked BUY (5 tickets) and then he had to go online to USAir later to get seats assignments and found only 2 seats.

    I realize that nowadays many people do not want to be responsible for a lot of things.

  • mikegun

    Micheal is correct. While I have not seen families split on different flights, the seat assignment is not guaranteed.

  • TonyA_says

    It is the responsibility of the ADULT to make sure OLCI will work for the all the PAX in his/her PNR.
    Most OLCI will present a seat map. If your party is larger than the available number of seats then CALL the airline and ask for help.

    Cmon Mike.

  • bodega3

    You do need to monitor your seats on a weekly basis. 

  • Meebo

    How about adding some relevant details, like the ages of the children?

  • bodega3

    I am well aware of the rules but in 3 decades I have NEVER had clients have a problem.  I monitor all PNR’s and have an agent line to call which is helpful. 

  • bodega3

    They would not do that.  A UMNR is different than a minor traveling with another passenger.

  • bodega3

    I knew you knew :-)  I agree with your last line!

  • Philippa_FRA

    13, 17 and 19. 

  • Michael__K

    Do I take your word over the CoC?

  • Michael__K

    It’s too late when you’re at the airport and your flight is oversold and the airline says you have to split your party.

  • Michael__K

    removed

  • Michael__K

    @bodega3:disqus Monitor your seats

    Ok, you monitor your seats and they’ve disappeared. Or you get bumped.  Airline has no obligation to help you sit together.  Then what.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Oh, since I have a few minutes, here’s a story from my travels in the past month or so…

    I was waiting at the gate and this family of 9 came up to the gate agent all in a huff. The kids ranged in age from teens to 5ish (I guess).

    The father demanded to know why they couldn’t sit all in one row. The gate agent said, “Sir, it’s an MD-88. Six across.”

    The guy replies, “So? I don’t want to be apart from my kids!”

    I really, really tried to not laugh as the GA explained with the patience of a saint that they were seated in groups of three throughout the cabin, and that they could put an adult and a teen with the smaller kids.

    That wasn’t enough for the guy. He wanted to know how he could get a row of nine.

    The gate agent answered, “Fly a triple 777.”

  • y_p_w

    There is the possibility of overbooking and getting bumped.

    However, it sounded to me more like an irrational fear due to the uncertainty of whether they’d be able to sit as a group.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Yeah, I’m one of them. I don’t give up my aisle for a middle. You want to trade aisle for aisle, fine. But for a middle? No. 

  • jim6555

    You’re such a hard__s. I guess that some people lack even the smallest bit of compassion and understanding of human needs. Your tone reminds me of Mr. Spock on the original Star Trek series. 

  • TonyA_says

    So, what would Mr. Compassion do for the OP?

    BTW, I/we ticket lots of people (with kids) who need to go home OVERSEAS because of a dying or dead relative. We do it with precision because of experience.

    If people want to LEARN how to increase their chances of NOT getting bumped or getting an Advanced Seat Reservation, then talk to a good TA. That’s what we are here for.

    Sometimes a hard__s can also tell Sh*t from Shinola.

  • TonyA_says

    Oops

  • TonyA_says

    That’s what happens when fares are cheap and anyone can get a credit card.

  • Philippa_FRA

    Oh dear…

  • bodega3

    Use a travel consultant.  I have never lost a seat for a client in 3 decades! 

  • sdir

    Personally, I understand the LW’s concern.  My father passed quite suddenly and I raced to schedule airfare and fly out the next day.  As a plus size person, I wanted two seats side-by-side and I spoke with the airline to make sure I booked the second seat properly.  Imagine my alarm when, after booking, the airline’s website told me that all the regular seating was taken and I needed to pay an additional fee x 2 if I wanted to reserve my seats.  A quick call to the airline reassured me I’d have my two seats either way, but that I’d have to ask the airline to assign my seating at check-in. Airlines encourage plus size passengers to purchase two seats, yet their system isn’t equipped to automatically assign those seats together unless I’m willing to pay an extra fee. 

  • Sadie_Cee

    Now all can understand why Math teachers retire early!

  • Carchar

    He was concerned that his children might be put on a later flight if there were not enough seats on this one. 

  • Michael__K

     Use a travel consultant.  I have never lost a seat for a client in 3 decades!

    —-

    Are you proposing to guarantee that to your clients in writing? 

    What remedy would you offer when the odds catch up with you?

  • scapel

    If I booked my wife, myself and my 7 children on a flight and they had us separated on the airplane, they would be asking people to swap seats to keep the calm in the aircraft and let us sit togehter.

  • Extramail

    You cause ANY trouble on a flight you run the risk of, at the very least, being thrown off of the plane. Ask the family with the 2 year old who was crying how they were treated.

  • bodega3

    If only two preassignable seats are showing, call the airline BEFORE buying the tickets to see the status of the flight for other seats to be released.  By speaking with them, you can have notes placed in the PNR if you have a concern.  It saddens me that people don’t speak to others and think that your only option is doing everything online.  Once you book, you can go in and monitor the flight for additional seats opening up.  I have seen no seats in the morning and then a score of them be there in the afternoon.  Keep at your reservation.

  • bodega3

    I am not going to argue with you.  I think that in close to 30 years never having clients bumped due to lost seats is pretty good.  We do have contacts that you who are booking online do not.  Even the flights that show no advance seating I can often get seats for them.  We have ways Michael, we have ways!

  • andrelot

    I’ve been reading and commenting on Elliott website for 2 years, but the amount of comments of people who clearly didn’t bother reading the whole post before commenting is increasing dearly.

    ========
    I don’t see this as “emotional blackmailing”. It is just lack of understanding of how seat assignments work.

  • andrelot

    Sorry to disagree, but this sounds more like “kids should be the center of the universe and everything and everyone else should adapt to MY little princess/prince” attitude.

    If YOU are a caring parent, you’d pay extra to ensure you are seated together.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

     But when these articles are on idiots who don’t know how seat assignments work, it’s hard to read through the whole thing.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Wow. And I view it as strictly basic safety…and discrimination that parents have to pay more in order to keep their kids safe.  But then I never cease to be amazed at how little concern for others I find out there in the general public.  Case in point right here.

  • y_p_w

    I don’t know.  Maybe take a full row near a wing and install three seats on the wing to make it a full row that’s nine across?

  • MrPainis

     If they were young kids (say, under 10) then yes I’d see it as safety. But demanding that your older kids sit with you on a short flight is entitlement.

  • Michael__K

    @bodega3:disqus  Nobody gets bumped because of “lost seats”.  That’s not what we’re talking about.

    You really never had a family bumped or cancelled (or subject to an equipment change)?

    And you would  guarantee 24 hr service to give them comparable seating arrangements on the new flights (if they even manage to all get on the same new flights)?

  • LeeAnneClark

    Um…did you READ my posts?  I specifically stated I was talking only about very young children – 3, 4, 5.  NOT teenagers.  The teenagers can be on their own! I’m not the OP, if that’s what you’re thinking.

    I agree with you that demanding their older kid sit with them is silly…and I stated as much in an earlier comment.

  • Michael__K

    Again, paying extra — per every airlines’ contract — NEVER guarantees you seats.

    Are you arguing that a caring parent doesn’t fly commercial?

  • Miami510

    This topic has uncovered one of the unspoken but nasty practices of airlines.  They overbook.  Their rational in overbooking is to insure that most seats are filled and take the consequences. 
     
    Years ago, I remember the announcements asking for volunteers to relinquish their seats for payment of air miles, or a free flight, all with a guarantee that the volunteer would be on the next flight.
     
    The greedy airlines didn’t like giving away those free flights so they resorted to the present tactic of reserving a certain percent (I’ve heard 20%) of seat assignments for assignment at the airport, rather than assigning a seat when the reservation is made.
     
    They know full well that a combination of people with reservations but no assignment will exceed the unassigned seats, but they now do not have to pay compensation, because the customer never had a seat assignment.  Their answer to disappointed flyers is that they didn’t get to the airport early enough… even though they may have arrived long before the required check-in time.
     
    One can view this as Airline Musical Chairs.  The airline always wins, and unless there are some no-shows who had a seat assigned, the customer always looses.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5KOZI6MFVHYMCJDSDVVZR4ZVNE JessicaJ

     That’s not true – if you have a reservation, even with no seat assignment, you are a confirmed passenger as much as someone with a seat assignment. You get the same compensation if you get bumped regardless of whether you have a seat or not.

  • Joe Farrell

    OK – I have said this before and will say it again –

    Kids over 13 years old can easily fend for themselves and actually probably would prefer to not have mommy or daddy sitting next to them. 

    Kids 8-12 can usually be moved around to be really close to their parents by flight attendants and will be in middle seats – if you cannot get seats together what you do is you get your kids an aisle or window seat – you get yourself and aisle or window seat and then offer the aisle or window to the person next to you in the middle seat – problem solved.

    Kids 2-8 are NEVER a problem  – who wants to sit next to a toddler or little kid?  This resolves itself on board an aircraft – parents need to take a deep breath and assume that this will work itself out onboard . . . .

    Why give the airlines another $250 a trip for a family of 4? 

  • Lindabator

    UMNR has to be pre-booked, paid for, and have a listed pickup person on the other end.  So NO – the scenario you dreamed up won’t happen.  They would move both.

  • Lindabator

    Learn to get there ERLY!!!

  • Lindabator

    SOrry, can’t respond below – I worked for United – the CoC does NOT state that they will make up an UMNR for ANY reason – he has no clue whatsoever!