“Now I know what it’s like to be in hell”

expressjetOh no, they’ve done it again.

Passengers on ExpressJet Airlines flight 2816 from Houston to Minneapolis spent the night trapped inside a small airplane parked at the Rochester, Minn., airport, “complete with crying babies and the aroma of over-used toilets,” according to reports. After being released, they were reportedly “quarantined” at the airport terminal until they re-boarded the aircraft.

If this doesn’t give a boost to the proponents of a three-hour tarmac delay rule, nothing will. But first, let’s hear from one of the passengers on the flight.

This was forwarded to me from reader N. Erole late yesterday. It’s a first-hand account from one of the passengers, who begins his story, “Now I know what it’s like to be in hell.”

Being stuck on that plane for 9 1/2 hours — 7 hours on the ground — was no picnic. The captain was not communicating with us at all, and what she did tell us seemed like stalling. Shouldn’t we get some kind of compensation out of this mess or is this acceptable?

Yes, absolutely. ExpressJet — which has something of a reputation for tarmac delays — should compensate its passengers for this unfortunate experience.

While they’re at it, how about a few answers?

Who’s in charge here? Continental Airlines or ExpressJet? Many passengers on the flight had booked their tickets through Continental. According to one passenger, “My boarding pass has a huge headline saying Continental. The flight attendant said, ‘Thank you for flying Continental.’ The comment cards we were given said Continental. Continental is totally in charge, whether by ownership or agency.” So why is Continental deferring to ExpressJet instead of taking responsibility for this mess?

Why couldn’t they let the passengers off the plane in Rochester? ExpressJet spokeswoman Kristy Nicholas claimed Rochester International Airport didn’t have security screeners available to check the passengers. But Steve Leqve, the manager of the Rochester International Airport, said that was incorrect. “They wouldn’t have had to go through security. They could have come into the airport,” he said. Erole suggests Leqve’s account is accurate: “Another Northwest plane had also landed at Rochester just before us, they were allowed to exit their plane with their luggage and enter the airport at 3 a.m. We sat till 6:30 a.m., being fed lines about the airport is not open and we cannot go in.”

Where’s the bus? Passengers believed there was a bus that would take them back to the terminal. “There was a bus waiting on the other side of the terminal from us at 5 a.m.,” said the survivor. “This was verified by Rochester tower employees. I asked the pilot if there was a bus and she picked up the intercom and announced to the plane, ‘There is no bus’.” So which is it? Bus or no bus?

Why “quarantine” the customers? Erole notes the torture didn’t end after they got off the plane. “Once we were allowed into the airport, we were quarantined to one space at a gate and not allowed to move freely around the airport. I asked the security guard in charge of us why that was, we all were told to have our IDs and boarding passes with us, and the airport was fully operational at this time. He told me he had no idea, it was what the flight crew had told him to do — right before they went home, because they had no flying hours left,” according to the account. There must have been a good reason for containing the passengers in one area. What it is, we don’t know.

There’s a silver lining to the dark cloud hanging over Continental, ExpressJet, and the dozens of angry passengers who were stuck on the tarmac. Their story will bring awareness to the issue of tarmac delays, which is currently being debated in Congress.

The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill contains a three-hour limit for flights waiting on the tarmac. The current House bill does not.

The airline industry and its apologists are pushing for a final version of the bill that leaves it up to airlines to determine when to roll back to the gate. They say this “common sense” approach allows them to be flexible and keeps the government out of the airline industry, which is where they say it belongs.

Well, here’s a thought: Maybe we should invite some of the airline lobbyists and their surrogates to spend nine hours on a regional jet with overflowing toilets, surly crewmembers and screaming babies.

That might change things, don’t you think?

Update: Here’s a video that describes the ordeal, along with another eyewitness account.

(4:30 p.m.) TSA has weighed in on the issue too, saying it’s not their fault.

(Photo: caribb/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Bill

    Everytime this happens there is an outrage – and yet it continues to happen.

    I do hope congress enacts a very punitive law that discourages this practice and makes it very very costly for any airline that does it.

    I find the whole thing completely unacceptable.

  • http://waynedayton.tripod.com Wayne Dayton

    ExpressJet is a company that is in dire financial straits….Point 1. This is an example of a complete operational meltdown, to the point where their PR woman is openly telling lies to a respected member of the media…Point 2. This is a clear case where the pax MUST follow up with forceful legal action against them…hopefully they can collect on the judgment before the bankruptcy filing. The court filing MUST hold Continental jointly and severally liable for all damages since they were the merchant of sale on the transaction and the COC is in their name. Nobody goes out to buy a ticket on ExpressJet, they bought from CO. Point 3 here is the shameful attitude and shrugging shoulders of CO. They lobbied for anti-trust immunity and this is how they repay the nation…a company that has gone bankrupt and screwed creditors and employees more times than any other airline in US aviation history. Nice work if you can get it.

  • Mindy

    Wow.. just wow. I would’ve been calling in the Po-Po by hour 4. Seriously. The company should be charged with kidnapping. That’s so far out of line it should be criminal.

  • http://www.ffocus.org Bruce InCharlotte

    I can’t imagine it’s legal to sit on a plane without a crew? How is it safe to leave passengers on an aircraft? Was the fire station working all night?

  • Renee

    How about a class action suit for “False Imprisonment/Kidnapping.” That might stop this kind of crap.

    Of course, since our lovely Congress is trying to buy a bunch of private jets to take care of themselves, we won’t ever see legistation designed to help those of us who must fly commercial.

  • Peter Zimmerman

    I don’t know the ruiles, so this is all conjecture, but I have always assumed staying on the tarmac rather than letting passengers deplane is all about the increased cost to the airline for using the gate – am I wrong?

  • Phil

    I think in an instance like this the passengers should have had enough, gottne up and opened the door of the aircraft or the slide and left. It’s time that passengers stopped acting like sheep and started thinking for themselves in cases like this.

  • Richard

    I would have been very tempted to get all the passengers to leave that area of the airport they were all corralled in. I did something similar back when our local train service were having delays. There were hundreds of people on the platform waiting. They announced that the train was going to be on a different platform and since the station was too packed to move everybody walked across the tracks. Then they announced the train was going to be on the original track and everybody walked back across the tracks. Finally they announced it was going to be on the first track they said after all.

    But this time they’d sent an Amtrak cop down to prevent anybody walking across the track. I just started shouting “everybody follow me! what are they going to do arrest 500 people?”. The impulse to defer to authority – no matter how clearly clueless and incompetent it is – is so strong in Americans that I got some horrified looks. But the cry had gone out and when I started walking back, first one or two and then several hundreds more followed me.

    Airlines mask incompetence behind the all purpose excuse of ‘security’. We are their customers and pay their salaries and it’s about time people started asserting themselves again.

  • Judy

    These types of situations have been getting out of hand for some time now, I really hope someone steps up and starts to do something about this.

  • P.Rowsey

    No question in my mind this was so wrong. They should’ve been allowed off . I think I would’ve found away off.

  • Dang

    Why those horror stories don’t happen anywhere else in the world ?

  • Logan

    Chris, who is on the conference committee Re: the FAA reauthorization bill? Those senators and representatives need to be called by everyone who cares about this issue, but especially their constituents. Perhaps you could use your readers to try and get this accomplished to some extent?

  • The Good Doctor

    Logan’s right – maybe one of those members can call up one of the ExpressJet victims to testify as a witness at a Congressional hearing.

    BTW – we were stuck on a late-arriving jet through no fault of the airline – the airport failed to have sufficient crews available to operate the jetbridges at the terminals after “normal” operating hours.

  • Justin

    I am not an airline apologist, and nor could I imagine the “Hell” these people went through. However, I think the term survivor is taking this a BIT TOO far. Come on, their lives were not in PERIL. This is like the new “Terrorism” buzzword. These people were not in danger. They were merely being detained against their will, for X reason. While this should NEVER HAPPEN, there might have been a good reason. YES, the airline needs to TELL these passangers what it was, too!

    1) Was someone found to be contagious of have an infectious disease?
    2) Was someone let to board, who was on the No Fly List (which is a joke)
    3) Were there threats or something made against that flight?

    I mean, there could be a number of reasons these people were detained. The fact they were quarantined and asked for ID leads me to believe ONE of these is true. Now, will these passengers ever know the reason? Maybe or maybe not. I do however smell a lawsuit brewing. I can imagine lawyers are all over this like a rabid animal.

    Justin

  • Question

    One of the stories I read about this (in USAToday, I think), indicated that part of the problem is that Continental doesn’t have gates at Rochester. They were in talks with Delta to use one of their gates, but somehow that didn’t work out (over fees, probably).

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t matter if they didn’t have gates at Rochester. They should’ve found a way to get those people off that plane. It wasn’t like Rochester was being hit by bad weather that meant ground crew couldn’t actually get to the plane.

  • James M Barnes

    Its totally the fault of ExpressJet. It’s real simple. A plane is diverted….the station manager is notified. (FYI….each carrier has a station manager at each airport). I assume Rochester is a small station but that’s why someone is in charge. He might not have been happy to have been woken up but its part of the job. Someone goes to the gate so that the plane can pull in and the passengers can disembark. I seriously doubt that there is an airport, in particular an airport in an area with bad winters, that doesn’t have a contingency plan for stranded passengers. But then it really didn’t matter…..ExpressJet chose to do nothing and just let the passengers sit there until the station opened. The only thing about this story that makes zero sense to me is the quarantined part. I read in USA Today, (I believe), that the guard that wouldn’t let them leave the gate area told a passenger that it was ordered by the crew. That is confusing to me since they have zero authority outside the airplane. Justin; I believe quarantined was term used by a passenger….not the airline or airport.

  • Kathleen Pierz

    Since disobeying flight crew instructions could have a singularly negative impact on your ever being able to fly again (or stay out of jail in some cases), about 2 hours into this ordeal passengers should have elected the oldest person on board to grab their chest, breath hard and keep repeating “Oh, my god, the pain, oh, I think I’m having a heart attack…” While everyone else yelled, “Call 911! Is there a doctor? We need an ambulance (and off this $%#& plane)!.

  • Andrew deLivron

    I have read several accounts of the event. There are a few items that are not clear.
    1. When did the various members of the flight crew leave the jet.
    2. Amazing we have not seen any pictures of the conditions on the jet. Like lavatories overflowing or conversations with the crew.

    Any Senator or Congressmen who does not support the Passenger Bill of Rights needs to be ousted at the polls. Can’t wait until a airline Exec or legislator gets caught on one of these horrendous flights.

  • Justin

    James,

    Well I don’t think we’ll know for sure what the reason behind this matter is for quite a while. One is going to guess once the lawyers get involved, it’ll be years before the “cause comes out”. Yet, let’s assume they were quarantined, them my reasons above could be valid. Even if they weren’t, it was clear the crew had ordered the people to stay put. The guard wouldn’t let people leave. Something had to be up. What was this “Thing”, is going to be the long, drawn out. legal process that’ll tell us in a few years. At least, that’s my take on it all.

  • http://www.cockam.com ajaynejr

    What kind of compensation did the passengers actually get?

    It is a bad idea to throw away a voucher and say “I’ll never fly this airline (or shop this store or fill up at this gas station etc.) since that will let the airline or other merchant get away with really paying nothing.

  • Joel Wechsler

    Justin-
    I think you are looking for reasons that, at least to you, would provide some rational explanation for this situation, whereas as far as I’m concerned it was nothing more sinister than a complete screwup on the part of the airline and the crew.

  • Justin

    James,

    One would like to think there was a good reason to keep people waiting that long. I WOULD HOPE there was anyway. Should there not have been, then I say something needs to be done and investigated. Keeping people on a plane this long is uncalled for. To add insult to injury, detaining them against their will, is plain malicious. Assuming there was a reason, then this hard take isn’t valid. However, if no GOOD REASON can be found (and we don’t know ourselves as we weren’t there), then yes. Let these airlines pay for their HORRIBLE HANDLING of the situation! I’m all for punishing bad behavior.

    Justin

  • Anonymous

    Justin, I think you are grasping at straws trying to find a reason that this plane was isolated. Yes, there are situations were a quarantine or isolation might be warranted. But in this case the TSA has said they didn’t require one (they weren’t even involved) and there has been no indications of a health issue that would require isolation/quarantine. The only reason other than those is that they were being kept isolated as possible witnesses to a crime. If that was the case, then I guess Continental was being good and making sure the witnesses against them didn’t disappear.

  • srfrgrl1

    Richard, you are so right!

  • Chris

    Diverted aircraft cost the airlines $billions each year in fuel, landing & gate fees, and on-the-clock cabin and cockpit crew. No airline wants this to happen. No airline wants to trap customers – they want them to come back and fly with them again. No airline wants negative national publicity. No pilots and flight attendants want to suffer in a small plane for 9 hours, stuck with 40+ angry people. These things happen very rarely and there are always reasons – most of them good, some of them not.

  • Lyngengr

    I suspect that a number of factors combined to hold these people hostage on board the aircraft. Because the plane arrived around midnight, it would have been difficult to get alternate transportation arranged at that time, and there would have always been the issue of who was paying for it.

    I should point out this was a regional jet, with a door that is also a stairway. It is not difficult to open this door. I think after a couple of hours, I would have politely informed the FA that if she didn’t open up the door and let me and the rest of the passengers off this plane, then I would do it for her.

  • DN

    @Logan: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-915&tab=committees

    I think this shows the House committees but read this notice: Furthermore, if your Member of Congress does not sit on any committee relevant to this bill, you generally have no opportunity to voice your opinion on the bill while the bill is receiving its most important consideration.

  • Julie

    “The airline industry and its apologists are pushing for a final version of the bill that leaves it up to airlines to determine when to roll back to the gate. They say this “common sense” approach allows them to be flexible and keeps the government out of the airline industry, which is where they say it belongs.” I’d be happy with this, if interfering with a flight crew in this instance were not a crime. I would want OFF of this flight.

  • Bill

    Now that this is a year later and they have been fined….we all know it was an inexcusable ordeal.
    I don’t know about the rest of the readers, but I dont’ think the fine was enough. I think that whomever was responsbile should have been fired. They should also have been imprisoned for the number of hours the plane was on the tarmac times the number of passengers on the plane – and then “doubled” for punitive damages.
    Each passenger should have received $1000 in compensation plus $20,000 in punative damages.

    The reason I feel this way is because it is so completely absolutely unacceptable to me for them to have done this that extreme punishment needs to be meted out. A fine..the airline would get over it. Putting the person who decided this in the slammer for awhile certainly would make people think twice about doing such a thing again.

    For those who said “walk away”, you can’t take your laptop down the slider and they would have instantly “found” the cops, you would have been in a restricted area, and the whole bunch of people at the airport would have tunred it into something that was the passengers fault.

    I do not know what happend as far as the passengers are concerned, but I do hope they have launched civil lawsuits in addition to the fines levied. I know they now limit the delays to three hours, but this needs to be punished. It is not forgotten. I have flown 38,000 miles so far this year. 1000 of it was on Continental, which I would have preferred to have avoided, but I certainly do not want to be rotting on one of their aircraft all night – ever.