No way to e-mail Frontier Airlines? Not necessarily

This is what Tom Frazier’s bag looked like when Frontier Airlines returned it to him after a recent flight from Minneapolis to Albuquerque.

damaged-bag

Frontier refused to compensate him for the damage, and there was no way to appeal its decision.

The clerk there said that they were not responsible, citing a policy that handles are not covered. I protested, citing the torn fabric and smashed housing and was told that I could take it up with a supervisor by phone the next day.

I have tried twice. The first time I was told that the supervisor was unavailable and would have to call me back, which never happened.

The second time I had evidently called at a bad time because the male clerk I was speaking to had to ask someone else what to do. He failed to put the phone on hold however, only putting the receiver down on the counter. Mistake. I clearly heard the female clerk tell him, “The easiest way to get rid of him is take his name and number and tell him we’ll call him back.”

The male clerk protested something unintelligible, causing her to pick up the phone to talk to me. Big mistake. I informed her immediately that I had heard exactly what she said and wished to speak to her supervisor now. She apologized, explained that they were checking in a flight at the moment and she had gotten too rushed, told me hastily that no supervisor was available at the moment, and said that she would take all the information concerning the flight, the damaged bag, etc., and be sure that someone called me back.

Two weeks later I’m still waiting.

Here’s the thing: Frontier’s contact us page points to a phone number, but there’s neither a Web form nor an e-mail address. What’s more, a Web search of Frontier e-mail addresses turns up nothing.

If you didn’t know any better, you’d say the airline doesn’t want passengers e-mailing it.

I did a little sleuthing and found the name of Frontier’s vice president of customer service, Cliff Van Leuven. I’ve had some contact with Frontier employees in the past, and know that e-mail addresses end in @flyfrontier and that they normally start with the first initial and the last name. So I suggested Frazier send a brief, polite e-mail to .

It worked.

I wrote to and heard back from Mr. Van Leuven the same day you provided the address. He took immediate charge of the situation, hooked us up with the manager at his office at MSP, and made sure she had a personal interest in the situation. In the end, they gave us a choice of what we would like done; repair the bag, replace it, or compensate for it’s loss monetarily.

Ten days later we have the suitcase back in our closet (instead of in the trash pickup where it was destined) completely repaired to our satisfaction. They also stated that it is their intention to use our experience as a customer service training exercise when training reps on how to deal with situations such as ours.

I don’t know if Frontier is trying to be like Southwest (no e-mails, please) or if its “contact us by e-mail” page is just hidden somewhere on the site, but when you’re stuck in a phone loop the way Frasier was, an escalation — and a little bit of luck — is all you need to get your luggage fixed.

  • Kelly

    I hope that Mr. Van Leuvan reprimanded these rude employees. Also, shame on Frontier for “hiding” their contact information, just like a few other airlines are known to do.

    And the airlines wonder why we get upset when things like this happen! We know that they don’t really care to help us, unless its escalated to a VP.

  • http://www.cheapertravel.com Craig Pavlus

    Stop dealing with Frontier directly. Write to the Department of Transportation (DOT) and file your complaint with them and copy Frontier. The DOT logs all complaints and their report highlights service of airlines. If you write to Frontier direct no complaint is counted in DOT stats. Airlines hate having their ratings decline when released to the public.
    Hope this helps.

  • Linda

    People complain over minor damage to a suitcase? Really? I’ve gotten luggage back with rips and torn handles and once, soaked in champagne. It’s never even occurred to me to actually file a complaint.

    Luggage isn’t meant to last forever.

  • Lisa

    To Linda: So you are saying that if you were to use a new suitcase, packed below weight limitations, and then receive it ripped, wet, now with soiled clothes, you would do nothing? Wow. I appreciate your laid back attitude–and I wish I had your apparently large disposable income. Personally, I like to use my luggage for years on end. I consider it an expensive investment and I take care of it. I expect airlines to do the same.

  • Aaron

    I’m with Linda on this one. Judging by the one picture, the damage doesn’t look that bad. Travel is tough on luggage, and while each new scratch and tear brings me a little sadness, I know my luggage is temporary, and will be replaced.

    The poster is over-reacting, at least as far as the luggage goes. The rest of Frontier’s efforts were lacking.

    At least the luggage wasn’t sucked into the engine of a 747!!!

  • Michael

    Luggage is there to take the hit, absorbing damage so your valuables inside will (hopefully) remain undamaged. The $40 Sears special luggage and $400 Tumi (on clearance) will both come out nicked, torn, dirty, and dented. My current $100 suitcase is around 140,000 miles of checked flying now, looks like hell, but functional as the day I got it.

  • http://bethpartin.com Beth Partin

    Thanks for this post. I’ve bookmarked it on Delicious in case I ever have a problem with Frontier.

  • David Z

    From Linda’s, Lisa’s and Aaron’s comments, there’s a potentially interesting question: when should one complain over damaged luggage and when not to, especially when it ought to be expected that luggage will take a hit or more somehow sometime? I actually agree with Linda and Aaron for this specific case, although others obviously don’t.

    But if airlines like Frontier are willing to shoulder the costs, then why not? And yeah, sure would be nice if Frontier at least posted a contact form on their site.

  • David Z

    Sorry to rather go off-topic, but found something interesting since it’s baggage:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5ggPO2yw-_ZRtR0fO52-2-70TYSTA

  • David Fickes

    Here’s a snipit of what I sent to Frontier tonight:

    (sent to entire executive committee at Fronter – you never know who reads their email)

    Unfortunately, this is NOT going to be a positive email.

    My wife flew SNA-DEN-IAH on 5/18/09 and arrived in IAH to find that her bag was delayed.

    She filed a lost/delayed baggage report at IAH and went to her hotel (10:30pm).

    Now, at 9:00pm (CT) the next day, she has had no calls from Frontier baggage. She called Baggage Services around 8:00am and they said that her bag would be arriving on a Continental flight at noon on 5/19.

    After unsuccessfully reaching baggage services or customer service (they have all but closed for the day) she called and left numerous messages at the IAH baggage department.

    “BRENT”, the baggage clerk finally answered the phone (it repeatedly just went to voicemail) said “Yeah, your bag is here. It’s at Continental. I don’t have time to pick it up – it’s four terminals away. You can come get it yourself”.

    Again, UNBELIEVABLE. My wife is LIVID and beside herself that she has been treated this way. I called Frontier reservations and coerced a reservations manager to leave a voicemail on the 281-233-3204 number (Brent’s number).

    So, this situation is currently UNRESOLVED and I am at a loss as to whom to contact.

    PLEASE tell me this is not your typical level of customer service.

    I ask that I be contacted ASAP by someone from your organization with some type of resolution.

  • David Fickes

    Response:

    David-

    My apologies…this is not our typical customer service.

    Please give me a some time to make some calls and we’ll be back in touch shortly.

    Cliff

    Cliff Van Leuven
    Vice President, Customer Service
    Frontier Airlines

  • David Fickes

    The saga continues (… no bag yet!)

    Hi David-

    That’s our hope as well. Our Houston City Manager (who’s been in touch with Deborah and also with me throughout the morning) is personally engaged in trying to track down Deborah’s luggage. I’ll get an update from him shortly, but we’re in a bit of a struggle with Continental (they are so huge in IAH) as to whether they had / have the luggage or not. We’ve gotten mixed answers and we were under the impression that Continental had it and was going to send it over to us using the company that the airlines use in IAH to move luggage between airlines. So, as I type this…we’re still attempting to track it down… Let me ping him again and see where we stand as of right now.

    My hope is also that we have it back to her by the time she gets back from her meeting.

    David- I’m very sorry about this. Frontier is one of the best airlines in the business when it comes to luggage handling and I’m embarrassed by this whole event. We’re committed to getting it sorted out as quickly as we can.

    Cliff

    Cliff Van Leuven
    Vice President, Customer Service
    Frontier Airlines

  • Cynthia Frojen

    I have just emailed Mr. Cliff Van Leuven about my missing luggage checked in with Frontier on May 22nd. Today is one week, May 29th.
    We have received one of the 2 bags.
    (Flying Anchorage, Alaska to Denver Colorado)
    The customer service at the Frontier Denver Baggage Claim has been stellar in their efforts…(employee Delorce) She seems to be really making efforts to help me find my luggage.
    I will give Mr. Cliff Van Leuven an opportunity to help me resolve this lost baggage however I will work with DOT if necessary.
    Years ago when I worked with a moving company…they checked boxes in and numberer them and then when they were taken out of the van rechecked again. This way the person moving knew what went on and they checked their copy of the sheet coming off.
    Not sure how long I should give Mr. Van Leuven but I sincerely hope he helps.
    I will keep you all posted.
    Cynthia Frojen
    Denver, CO

  • Cynthia Frojen

    I received an email from Mr. Cliff Van Leuven today that I would be hearing from someone shortly.

    I recognized on my cell phone a missed call from Anchorage.

    I called the number back and got to speak to Matt Kleis, the station manager. He apologized for the inconvience and miss communication about my lost baggage.

    I should have my baggage at Denver’s Frontier Baggage Claim by tomorrow morning. I am so excited. Of course my husband tells me hold on until I get my baggage.

    However, I wanted to let everyone on this webpage know that with out this information (who to email – Cliff Van Leuven) I found here that I still would not have found a person who could make things happen.

    Mr. Cliff Van Leuven has stepped up and heard my cries for help. I am grateful to him and for the power of his position to get things done.

    I know all over our country we are all being asked to do more with our jobs. Fellow employees are let go (and not replace) and the others have to take up the slack. I am sure Frontier is no different. There is always more work than time.

    So Thanks to Mr. Cliff Van Leuven! You are certainly doing your job and you seem to be very good at it.

    A special Thanks to Elliott’s Blog for the information you shared. I would still be in my world of doom and gloom if I had not searched the internet and found you.

    Thanks for sharing and caring.

    Have a great day and I will let you know if I get my bag in the morning…..keep your fingers crossed…I now have hope!

    Cynthia Frojen
    Thornton, CO

  • Cynthia Frojen

    I have received my luggage as of this morning. We went to Frontier Baggage Dept. and I said the majic words, “I came to pick up the Frojen bag.”

    We are both very happy and appreciative of the efforts that Frontier’s employee Cliff Van Leuven put forth for our bag to be returned.

    Thanks to all!

    Cynthia Frojen
    Thornton, Co

  • Frank

    dude, your bag did what it was ment to do.. Protect your belongs…its like your complaining you fell off your bike and your hellmet got scrached…..stop being ignorant!

  • Lovely

    WOW! I google searched “damaged bag” because I was hoping to see some ripped apart, mangled pieces of checked luggage (after seeing in-person a man at the airport yesterday fussing about his bag being dirty to the airline lady, “I am never flying your airine again!”) What silliness! What is wrong with people??? Do you not know you are so completely blessed? A chipped piece of plastic and a frayed edge is really severe enough to email the VICE PRESIDENT of a company? Is that severe enough to speak to someone in person and then call back twice? Here’s what I found on the Frontier Website just from using the search term “baggage”….

    “Oh, man! The baggage I checked got all messed up! What do I do about a damaged bag?
    We’re so sorry your baggage got damaged. Honest. We’ll do what we can to make things better. If this happens and you want to report it, here’s what you need to do. Within four hours of your arrival, please go to our Baggage Service office in the airport where you arrived. Show the baggage to the agent so he or she can assess the damage and liability. Please understand that we’ll do what we can, but know that we aren’t liable for normal wear and tear, including scratches, small dents, rips, tears, and basically, well, dirt. We also aren’t liable for torn, scratched, missing or telescopic handles, straps, zippers, wheels or wheel casings. If you tried to stuff a year’s worth of clothes into that small weekend bag – in other words, you overstuffed your stuff – we aren’t liable. That’s just not fair to the poor, helpless bag. Also, keep in mind that we aren’t liable for the baggage carried in the passenger compartment of the aircraft.” Not a couple lines below there is a link to the Contract of Carriage, which also talks about damaged bags. But it gives a TON more information, and is actually interesting to read.

    That seems reasonable to me. Normal wear and tear. I like the person who compared it to falling off your bike and getting your helmet scratched. You use your luggage to hold your belongings. It’s meant to take the “abuse” that just getting it in and out of your trunk does to it.. AND all that outdoor equipment they use at the airport!

    I just wanted to reiterate again what miracle it is to be able to fly, and to be so blessed with “things” that you (and I) have to be worried about packing too much. Don’t sweat the small stuff, don’t be a bully, count your blessings! I always hear people say, “You know what’s wrong with this country?” I have to agree sometimes, that it is people’s sense of entitlement (lack of gratitude and grace), and their complete selfishness. Silly.

  • GAIL LOFY

    I have a mailing from Frontier called Welcome Aboard. Under a limited time offer-respomd by September 20th However the glue from the mailing covers the ‘respond to

    I AM HOLDING A MAILING FROM FRONTIER SAYING WELCOME ABOARD-LINITED TIME OFFER-RESPOND BY SEPTEMBER 20TH. HOWEVER THE GLUE FOR THE MAILING HAS STUCK OVER THE INFO SO I DON’T HAVE THE INFO. AS A MIDWEST CREDIT CARD HOLDER I WONDER WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. I AM WITH THE GUY WHO CAN’T FIND ANYONES E-MAIL ADDRESS. THE FLYER SAYS NOTHING. OH YES IT SAYS CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE ANIMAL?HAT EVER THAT MEANS.

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