“It’s a laughing joke that Expedia says they offer great customer service”

Last December, Caesar Ho booked a night at the Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport Hotel through Expedia. But when he couldn’t reach the hotel because of inclement weather — snow on the 5 Freeway and dangerous winds on the 101 — he phoned the hotel to see if he could cancel his room.

A hotel representative said he couldn’t help, and that he needed to contact Expedia to cancel his stay. Expedia refused.

Because they were unwilling to do anything, we filed a dispute with our credit card company. Visa investigated the issue and sent a notice to Expedia.com for mediation.

Expedia was given a full 45 days to respond to the dispute, but according to Visa, they received no response from Expedia.com and the case was then closed. We received a notice from Visa stating that our account had been credited the full amount and the case solved.

End of story? Not quite.

Six months later, Ho received a notice from Expedia’s collections agency, RMS, billing him $131.

Upon receiving this notice, we sent RMS a letter stating that we do not accept this charge and that it had already been disputed and solved. We also send a handwritten letter to Expedia regarding the matter.

Both letters were met with zero response from either company. RMS simply sent another two collection notices with zero explanation and Expedia ignored our correspondence.

Finally, RMS sent him a notice saying that his account had been formally sent to it for collection. Ho made several efforts to contact Expedia in writing and by phone, but was told there was nothing the company could do. He had only one choice: to pay up.

Ho is at his wits’ end.

It’s a laughing joke that Expedia says they offer great customer service. I thought they were a great company, but I’m just disappointed in their response – or lack thereof. They’ve offered zero help on all accounts and have ignored our written letters.

They did nothing when the account was disputed and waited six months to send a collection agency to harass us. Not only have they wasted countless hours of our time, they’ve also lost this family’s business. If a written letter of complaint doesn’t get through to them, I’m not sure what will.

Well, I’m willing to try. I contacted Expedia on his behalf. Here’s what it had to say in its response to Ho:

Our records show that on December 12, 2009, you contacted our representatives to inquire about cancelling your reservation at the Hyatt Regency in San Francisco, California for that evening and the possibility of receiving a refund. At the time of purchase, your itinerary stated that any cancellations less than 72 hours prior to check-in would incur a hotel-imposed penalty equal to 100% cost of stay.

When plans change for any reason, including extenuating circumstances, hotels often do not make exceptions to the policies they state. Regardless, as your advocate, we reached out to the hotel on your behalf and asked for an exception. The hotel manager did not waive their cancellation penalty due to the late date of the request. We have since contacted the hotel to further inquire about the reason for the denial of your request, and they have stated that since the reservation was already in the penalty window, no refund was allowed.

Your letter states that you disputed the charge with your credit card company and received a refund for your reservation, and that your charge has since been sent to a third-party collection agency. Although we received a chargeback from your bank, because we determined that the charge was still valid, the account was sent to collections.

When your sister Ms. Ho contacted our customer service representatives on July 27, she was informed that Expedia was no longer able to handle this charge and that further action must be pursued through the collection agency. Ms. Ho spoke with one of our Tier 3 Customer Service specialists, who reviewed the information provided by the hotel on December 12 and informed Ms. Ho how to contact the collections agency with her questions and concerns.

Because the charge has been sent to a third-party collection agency, any further action will need to be pursued through the collection agency. You may refer to the instructions they have provided you in the collection notice you received.

In other words, no.

I have a few problems with the way this was handled. Did anyone bother to tell Ho that there was no way he could cancel his room at the Hyatt? It seems to me that if the non-negotiable 72-hour cancellation period had been carefully explained to him when he tried to cancel the reservation, he might have done things differently.

I think it’s great that Ho’s credit card took his side in this dispute, but shouldn’t it have checked on the terms of his hotel room before filing the dispute on his behalf? If it had, maybe it wouldn’t have taken the case.

Expedia shouldn’t have ignored the dispute. If it hadn’t, then Ho might not have prevailed, and the matter wouldn’t have been sent to a collection agency. I’m also having some trouble believing Expedia’s suggestion that it can’t stop a collection process. I think “won’t” is more like it.

So here’s the big question: What do you do if you’re Ho? Do you ignore the collection requests? Do you appeal your case to the collection agency, hoping for a resolution? Or do you pay the bill?

Update (6:30 p.m.): Expedia has sent me an update:

You mention that you had a few problems with the way this was handled, and I wanted to take the opportunity to address the specific concerns that you had:

Mr. Ho booked the hotel on our site, and the rules and restrictions are presented as part of the booking process. In fact, he had to agree to them in order to submit his purchase. Further, it is Expedia policy for agents to quote upon cancellation any rules and restrictions associated with rebooking, or details around any lost value upon cancellation. In this case, that would be the hotel’s non-negotiable 72-hour cancellation policy that you reference. In reviewing our notes, we don’t see any indication that our agent didn’t follow this policy.

Expedia didn’t ignore the dispute. In fact, we attempted to get the dispute by the credit card company reversed because our customer service department determined the charge was valid.

We are certainly not saying that we can’t stop the collection process. We believe the debt is owed to us and we contracted with the collections agency to collect the debt on our behalf.

(Photo: Ra Gardner 4/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Kevin

    I don’t buy their statement that they tried to get dispute the chargeback. If they presented the proper documentation, then they should have won with Visa. it looks to me like they dropped the ball, and did not answer Visa in a timely manner, and have decided they don’t like the outcome. Seems awfully l low of them to hold the client accountable for their apparent oversight. Suppose that Mr Ho paid them, and then hired a collection agency to collect the money from Expedia, since Visa sided with him? Not realistic, I know, but if they can’t abide by Visa’s decision, then maybe they should not accept Visa as a form of payment from here on. I don’t necessarily agree that they are wrong in their statements that the charge is valid, but they seem to have no problem with making their own rules to get a measly $131. I really wonder if they know how much bad publicity is worth.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Brian C – “It’s relatively rare for domestic flights to have three classes of service anymore, they typically have economy and first class. If I were to guess, your itinerary with the flight details for each flight likely showed coach or economy for the US portions of the flight and business for the International portions of the flight.”
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    It is rare for domestic flights to have three classes of services unless the plane is making a stop in the US before going international. However, it has been my experiences when cashing in miles for reward travel for Business Class (BC) seats on US, DL and CO that the domestic segment (i.e. PHX to SFO, PHX to LAX; PHX to ATL, etc.) is in First Class since there is no Business Class section then BC on the international segment(s).

    It is my guess that the Expedia website isn’t programmed to put someone in FC then BC if someone requested BC from SEA to CPH.

  • MeanMeosh

    @ Brian C: “Is this right? You yourself said you got an “amazingly low” fare. The fare was low because only one segment each way was actualy in the business class cabin.”

    Not necessarily. I frequently travel on business class fares from DFW to India via Chicago. The difference in fare between booking the domestic leg in coach vs. first is usually negligible, even when buying discount business class. You may be right, but I wouldn’t necessarily jump to that conclusion.

  • Cory J.

    I cannot comprehend why some people are so dumb. Honestly, I see it time and again on this web site. Ho booked a room that had cancellation restrictions, which he was made aware of at the time of booking and prior to his acceptance and confirmation. His cancellation due to weather was his own problem and he does not deserve a refund at all. Period, end of story.

    If he’s booking a room with a 72-hour penalty window, then he’s probably booking the cheapest rate. If he was an enlightened traveller and not a cheapo then he would have booked a room, or with a hotel chain, that allowed him to cancel up until 6:00 p.m. on the day of check-in. Seriously people, if you’re going cheap or not paying attention to what you’re booking, then you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. And why is he booking a room at the Hyatt through Expedia and not directly at Hyatt.com, does he seriously think he’s getting a discounted rate?

  • Geoff

    Insurance! ASTA travel agents offer insurance and really push it during the winter and rainy months. For a hoel night or two,cheap!

  • Mike Z

    While the OP wasn’t really entitled to a refund, he went ahead and tried a charge back. The CC company contacted Expedia who did not respond within an allotted time according to their terms and conditions that they agreed to in order to take those credit card charges for payment. The CC company sides with the OP. Expedia has no reason now to turn this over to collections IMO because they gave up that right by not responding to the request for documentation. To me this is no different than if Mr Ho would have sued Expedia in small claims court and Expedia didn’t show up. The OP could have had 25 signed contracts with Expedia, but if the other party doesn’t show up, guess who wins…

    Oh, and OP= Original Poster and IMO= In My Opinion.

  • barbie45

    The OP was negligent in failing to notify the hotel in a timely fashion. 72 hours is more than ample. Expedia was neglignt in not responding within the time frame. The OP has to consider if going to small claims court is financially worth it in terms of lost wages or the hasstle of form s or the cost of filing.Also what impact on his credit report that amount would have. Many consumers including myself are far from computer savy. I cannot count the number of times I have goofed on my bill paying option in paying a bill by failing to submit button. Unless you are computer savy get an expert friend to complete the transaction.

  • Steven

    Just ANOTHER example of why I do NOT use any of those discout sites like Expedia, PriceLine, etc. when I book a room. The discounts just are not worth all the hassle if you have problems. Just one such mix-up and I’m out most (or all) of the money I might have saved using these sites.

    What I don’t see here is a request for “credit” toward a future stay at this hotel. I’ve sometimes have success asking for that when the policy is no refund. After all, the hotels do want happy customers and realize that even if they aren’t really to blame for someone who wants them to waive their clear cancellation policy, a “gesture” like that is often the key to people saying good things about them rather than complaining like we have here.

    When you book this way, you assume the risks your “cheaper” price entails. What’s hard to understand about that???? Too many travelers need to grow up and act like adults who have the responsibility to understand what they are buying.

  • Steve

    I’m in total agreement with Mike Z’s post above. The circumstances surrounding the $131 are no longer relevant. The fact is that Expedia chose not to respond to the credit card dispute, which IMHO should make it a moot point. Instead they tried to have it both ways by letting him win the dispute, then sending him to collections. I find that to be a pretty underhanded business practice.

  • Texas Road Warrior

    As I see it the issue is no longer between Expedia, Mr Ho or Hyatt. The issue is Mr Ho and the collection agency and this is easy to resolve. All Ho has to do is write, calling won’t help, to the collection agency and inform them of the following:

    1. The amount they are collecting is disputed.
    2. He does not deal with collection agencies but only the creditor who he allegedly owes the money to. and
    3. Inform the collection agency not to contact him any further regarding this matter.
    Send the letter certified mail return receipt requested so he has a confirmation that the collection agency has received it.
    Once the collection agency receives it they are required and bound by the FDCPA, Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, a federal law, to cease all attempts to collect or contact Mr Ho and they have to return the account to the creditor who assigned it to them.
    Every time another collection agency contacts Mr Ho and there will probably be a few more he just needs to fire off another letter. I suggest when the second collection agency contacts him, he write “As I informed the other collection agency prior to you” … and then list the items in the previous letter.
    Bottom line, you are not required to talk to or PAY a collection agency but you can FIRE a collection agency and the way to do that is send them a letter.

  • JJ

    Speaking of customer service at Expedia. I would like Mr. Elliott to investigate the practice of all the online travel services booking itineraries on two different airlines with two different tickets. Then when the first flight is delayed, the second airline treats the passenger as a no show and will not rebook them. Expedia customer service then will tell its customer to go deal with it at the airline and they provide no help at all.

  • Kevin

    Something else that struck me. I saw once in the Visa merchant agreement that if a merchant (Expedia) must file for arbitration if they want to refuse the chargeback. Visa will then arbitrate the case. Both sides must accept the decision of Visa as final. The merchant (Expedia) does not have the right under Visa’s merchant agreement to say “Well, Visa sided with the customer, so we will send it to collection”.

    Ultimately, it still comes down to the fact that I could not deal with a merchant that will use these kind of tactics to collect a debt when they can’t be bothered to abide by Visa’s own rules.

  • Jesse

    Correct me if I’m wrong Chris, but if Mr. Ho had received communication that the policies mandated him to pay for the room, etc., then he would not have involved in Visa for the Charge. If Expedia had replied to Visa then Mr. Ho would have had to pay with an explanation to him, right?

    Partly Expedia is to blame as they are not communicating until their pocket is affected!

  • Julie

    It sounds like Mr. Ho needs to pursue the matter with Visa. My guess is that Kevin is right and that Expedia is in violation of their agreement with Visa here. A threat from Visa to Expedia should put an end to the collections process.

  • http://Cruise@ddicts Belinda

    Okay, So here’s one travel agents answer to all of you.
    Whether or not Mr. Ho booked himself online or called into Expedia and spoke with a live agent. This customer was aware of the cancellation penalties. Mr. Ho would have had to click on the bottom to agree to accepts the terms and conditions before he would have ever been allowed to proceed with his booking and enter his credit card information. If he called and spoken with a live agent. The Rules and restrictions would have been read to him verbally over the phone and Mr. Ho would of had to give an affirmative answer for the agent to proceed. Either way this man knew or chose to ignore.
    Second, Expedia acts as the customers agent, Expedia does not own the Hotels, Air lines, Cruise ships, or Car Rental Buisness. We are held to the same rules and regulations as the rest of the public.
    The customer cancelled his booking the same exact day he was to check in. The hotel is the one that kept Mr. Ho’s money not Expedia. Since Expedia has a contract with the hotels. Expedia paid for the room. Expedia acted in good faith with Mr. Ho he decided to cancel his booking and now wishes for everyone else to pay for his mistake. Give me a break.
    As for the reporter of this very bias article. Try doing some real research before you apply your ignorant pen to paper.

  • Paul

    I recently booked a hotel room for one night near Philly. I used Expedia’s secret rate where you pick an area and they show you prices for about half off. They don’t tell you the name of the hotel till after you pay for it. They warn you at least 3 or 4 times during the transaction that you can’t cancel for any reason, period! You have to click OK each time, including right before you click submit your CC info. I got a rock bottom price and I took the no refund risk. No way I could say I didn’t know about it.
    Although I think it was unethical for Mr. Ho to dispute the charge with Visa it was irresponsible for Expedia to allow him to win the dispute by default. This probably puts them in violation of the TOS with Visa.