Is this too much compensation? “This was some of worst service I’ve received in years”

Nathan Segal was certain his Alaska Airlines flight from San Jose del Cabo to Victoria, B.C., Canada, didn’t make a stop. He’d double-checked the itinerary when he booked it. The email said it was a “direct” flight.

He was wrong.

“It wasn’t until a few days later, when I went to upgrade my seat that I found out that my flight wasn’t direct after all, that it contained a stop in San Diego on the way to Seattle,” he says. “I was furious because I carefully checked the Alaska site to make sure that wasn’t the case.”

(For the record, there’s a difference between a “direct” and a “non-stop” flight. A direct flight is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, and it may include a stop. A non-stop flights is a direct flight without landing. Pretty tricky, huh?)

Segal feels duped by Alaska Airlines.

“The information about the stop was on the page that I was looking at, but it was hidden from plain view and you had to know where to look for it,” he says. “Worse, there was no obvious indicator that the information was there.”

And that’s not all. A reservation agent assured Segal the single stop would be brief. It wasn’t.

The flight stopped in San Diego. We had to disembark and go through customs, claim our baggage, then recheck it in the same terminal. Then we had to leave terminal two and walk all the way over to terminal one, walk all the way through the airport, go through security all over again (during which time I nearly lost my iphone in the confusion), and enter a new waiting area to reboard our flight which, coincidentally, had the same flight number as the aircraft we had just left, but was a different jet in a different airport.

Segal had phoned Alaska and spoken with a supervisor before the flight, and had been upgraded on the flight as a courtesy. But he was still upset. It wasn’t the flight he though he’d purchased.

This was some of worst service I’ve received in years. There wasn’t a single thing about this flight that was direct, with the exception of the name. This was flat-out deception, misrepresentation and fraud. It’s very clear that I didn’t get what I paid for and I was subjected to a lot of unnecessary stress.

He contacted me to find out if I could help with is grievance. I passed along the names of some supervisors at Alaska Air, and suggested he send a brief, polite email, describing what happened. The least Alaska should do, I felt, was apologize for the direct/non-stop confusion.

As a sidenote, I think the “direct” euphemism needs to be scrapped by the airline industry. Segal isn’t the first person who’s been fooled by the description, and I’m sure he won’t be the last.

Alaska responded with an email that explained the difference between “direct” and “non-stop” and claimed it has received few complaints about the issue. It added,

I am truly sorry to hear that our reservations agents provided conflicting information regarding the customs process for this flight.

Flight 233 stops in San Diego after coming from a foreign country, as such, we are required to have our customers go through customs prior to continuing on to Seattle. This requires customers to deplane, go through customs, and then route to our domestic terminal to re-board the same aircraft that has been moved from the international terminal to the domestic terminal. I have forwarded your letter to our reservations Training Manager so that she can review the information that we have available to our agents regarding situations such as these.

Mr. Segal, I apologize for any inconvenience you experienced and that you felt the information available on our website was not clear. As a customer service gesture, I am including a Discount Code in the amount of $50.

Segal was unhappy with that response and asked me what to do next.

I felt that Alaska’s efforts to fix this had been reasonably sincere. An upgrade, an apology and a $50 voucher suggested to me that they took his grievance seriously.

Segal asked if I thought he should dispute the flight on his credit card. I wasn’t sure that would be successful, since it had in fact flown him between San Jose del Cabo to Victoria. I told him I didn’t think a dispute was the best way forward.

He disputed part of his plane tickets. And he won.

Because of my approach (good documentation) and also asking for a portion of the funds back, rather than the whole thing, I’m quite likely to succeed. That and the misrepresentation. The agent told me that it’s highly unlikely that the airline will dispute it, given that they were in the wrong to begin with and also pooh-poohed what I’d written with an unacceptable offer.

The agent told me that if need be, the bank will use their influence to stop Alaska from coming back at me for the chargeback.

A key to the whole thing is that I didn’t try to get the entire fare back, but only a portion, roughly 60 percent of the flight. Because of that approach, according to the agent, I gave them more leverage.

He also told me that few people were as thorough as me, all of which is in my favor. He also told me that the chargeback cycle is based on two billing periods, so I caught that in time. Also, when I sent in my complaint, I wrote to customer service and the executive as well, mostly because I was aware of that billing cycle and I didn’t want to take the chance of getting stuck.

That’s an interesting resolution. While I agree that Alaska shouldn’t have offered a flight that appeared to make no stops, I’m not entirely sure if the punishment fits the crime.

  • MikeZ

    If you go directly somewhere, it means you don’t make stops along the way for other reasons. It doesn’t mean that you make a stop at the mechanics, pick up a different car and then continue on. Direct means point A to point B. The fact that they actually call a flight that makes stops direct, doesn’t make it right.

  • Brooklyn

    Vouchers aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. The OP made every attempt to get the information he wanted and he was deceived by the airline.  We all need to learn from his approach: the only two things the airlines understand are losing money and gaining bad publicity and he managed both!

  • Stacey_schram

    As a Canadian he is not required by US Immigration to be finger printed and photographed – only complete the immigration form and present his passport!  Even though he is in transit he is entering a non-secure area so must go through the immigration process as he was coming from a foreign country into the US.

  • Ray

    I think one of his earlier travel blog entries speaks volumes about his modus operandi and character. Air Canada offered him nothing…

    November 2, 2009
     
    Air Canada
     
    Re: Ticket Number: xxxxxxxxxx
    Booking Reference: xxxxx
     
    To Whom It May Concern:
     
    Congratulations, Air Canada. In over 30 years of airline travel (and 400+ flights), I just experienced the worst service ever with your airline!!
     
    When I went to check in online, I was given the option of Economy Plus for both the flight to Los Angeles and the flight from there to Maui. I chose both, since I’m 6’4” and need the extra legroom. The first flight (AC4142) was a small jet. When I got to my seat, I couldn’t see any difference between it and the seats around it and it was obvious that I didn’t get what I paid for. Fortunately, I was able to negotiate a bulkhead seat, for free. Still, it was far from ideal. I wound up next to an obese woman whose bulk overflowed the seat and I wound up spending much of the flight leaning away from her. It was extremely uncomfortable.
     
    On the second flight (AC5243), the Economy Plus service lived up to its advertising and I had a good flight.
    Coming back from Maui, (AC058), I used your online check in service, booked seat 19F and checked a bag, but there was a blank spot in front of my seat in the seat diagram and I was unsure of what it was. When I called in to ask about it, I wound up with an agent who was quite angry with me for getting that seat, telling me that they shouldn’t have been available and that all bulkhead seats were reserved for babies, bassinets and people with disabilities. Yet, the seating area was clearly available online. I asked her about getting a first class seat, but she quoted me another $1,500.00 on top of what I’d already paid. That was outrageously expensive, and I turned it down. Next, I asked her about making a change to an exit seat. She told me that I’d have to wait until I got to the airport for that seat assignment and I decided to do so. Also, she rebuked me for my request about legroom and she started comparing me to her husband, who, she said, was even taller than me. That really irked me. This was about meeting my request, not diluting it with her personal issues!
     
    When I got to the airport, I was greeted with a long lineup and no Air Canada personnel in sight. I wanted to find out where the express lineup was to drop off my checked bag, and I walked to the counter next to the Air Canada lineup. I spoke with a Hawaiian Airlines ticket agent who informed me that there was no express check in and that I’d have to wait in the regular lineup (roughly an hour long) to check my bag.
     
    I was furious! What’s the point of offering an express online checking service if you still have to check in with everyone else?
     
    Fortunately, the agent noted that I only had carry-on luggage and she told me that I could bypass the check-in and go directly to the gate. Kudos to Hawaiian Airlines.
     
    As a side note, my girlfriend was traveling on WestJet, and she chose the same advanced check-in option as me. She breezed right up to the front of the designated line and her bag was checked in within a minute.
     
    When I got to the gate, there were no Air Canada personnel to speak with. They only showed up 15 minutes before the flight. When I went to change my seat, I met the same Hawaiian Airlines agent who informed me that (Air Canada) sub-contracts, but these agents weren’t wearing Air Canada uniforms, so I had no idea who they were. Again, I tried for an exit seat but was told that none were available. I spoke of my issues with the online agent, and the Hawaiian Airlines agent backed me up, saying that my choice was OK.
     
    When I arrived at my seat, I found a woman sitting there with a baby, waiting for her husband. She informed me that while their seat assignment was some rows back, they had really wanted this seat and moved there, despite the fact that I had a reserved seat. Further, the she told me that when they got the bassinet, it would encroach on my seat space and I wouldn’t be able to stretch out. To claim my seat would have meant an argument with these people, who clearly made it known that their needs were more important than my own. This angered me immensely. No one told me this up front and it was obvious I was being bumped.
     
    I made my way to the front of the aircraft to get a new seat assignment, but quickly discovered the flight was nearly full and few seats were available. I was told by the flight attendants to go up the ramp and talk to the ticket agents. I did and met them coming down. They then directed me back to the flight attendants. I was getting pretty flustered by this time since it seemed that no one wanted to help me. Finally, the ticket agents took charge and found me a seat at the back of the aircraft, but then I had no room for my carry-on luggage. It was sheer luck that the seat beside me was empty and I could stow my laptop. Not so with my other bag, which was moved ten rows further up.
     
    My new seat was too small and when the passenger in front put his seat back, I had no room for my knees and I was jammed in tight. I was able to turn sideways but I had no way of sitting forward without being pinned in my seat. It was extremely cramped and uncomfortable!
     
    Kudos to the flight attendant who finally helped me find a seat and also encouraged me to file a complaint with Air Canada.
     
    In summary, the online check-in was worthless since it wasn’t backed up by personnel on-site to check the express bags.
     
    Then there’s the bulkheads Issue. If they were only available for babies, bassinets and people with disabilities, they should have been blocked off. Not doing so caused me a lot of unnecessary stress and grief. Further, I was being held responsible for what was clearly an issue on your end, which I find unacceptable. When I got back home, I wound up with severe headache and nausea. I was sick for the better part of a day, no doubt caused partly by the stress I encountered as a result of your “service.”
     
    In view of this disastrous and appalling service, I will accept nothing less than a full refund, of both the flight and the Economy Plus service, which I feel was very misleading. The full airfare cost was $550.30USD and the Economy Plus upgrade cost was $96.00USD for a total of $646.30USD.
     
    To give you an indication of just how serious and upset I am about this, I’ve posted this story to my blog (travelswithnathan.com), I’ve sent out a tweet to my list of 419 followers (with the header: “Worst Airline Experience Ever”) and I’ve also made a posting to my Facebook account of over 100 friends.
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Nathan Segal

  • http://www.freakyperfect.com Amy Bradley-Hole

    I said that this PARTICULAR AIRLINE didn’t use deceptive wording — rather, the industry as a whole does. Perhaps you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Or if you’re that good at taking one sentence out of context, and warping it to suit your needs, regardless of what the rest of my comment said, then perhaps you should seek out an internship with Andrew Breitbart or James O’Keefe, as they would appreciate your skills.

    Whatever your problem with me is, know that this is my last comment in response to you, so if you want to keep attacking me, feel free, but just know that I couldn’t care less what you think.

  • Rosered

    Copied from OP blog – “To give you an indication of just how serious and upset I am about this, I’ve posted this story to my blog (travelswithnathan.com), I’ve sent out a tweet to my list of 419 followers (with the header: “Worst Airline Experience Ever”) and I’ve also made a posting to my Facebook account of over 100 friends.”  Ask yourself – who sends a letter like this?  And his original letter, so kindly posted by Ray, outs the OP as someone you’d shudder to share a flight with, particularly if he was sitting next to you.  God forbid you sneeze, drop something on the floor, or have to wake him to get to the restroom.  You’d then be responsible for yet another one of his “worst airline experience(s) ever”!

  • Rosered

    Copied from OP blog – “To give you an indication of just how serious and upset I am about this, I’ve posted this story to my blog (travelswithnathan.com), I’ve sent out a tweet to my list of 419 followers (with the header: “Worst Airline Experience Ever”) and I’ve also made a posting to my Facebook account of over 100 friends.”  Ask yourself – who sends a letter like this?  And his original letter, so kindly posted by Ray, outs the OP as someone you’d shudder to share a flight with, particularly if he was sitting next to you.  God forbid you sneeze, drop something on the floor, or have to wake him to get to the restroom.  You’d then be responsible for yet another one of his “worst airline experience(s) ever”!

  • Sershev

    Watch for another story in a couple of months when Alaska
    Airline will turn reversed credit card charge to collections. We are paying for
    transportation from point A to point B within reasonable time estimates. It is industry
    wide practice to market some flights as direct even though the flight makes
    stops and equipment change occurs. Companies often do it for competitive
    purposes and they are not breaking any government’s rule. Just pay attention to
    the total travel time if it is a concern to you. Direct flight actually will
    cost you a few dollars less because you are not paying airport fees at the stop
    point, but also it is considered as one flight segment for frequent flyer
    mileage earnings: you will not receive credit for the actual miles flown, but
    only between origin and destination as it is nonstop flight.

    And yes, if you visit alaskaair.com and click on the details link for flights 232 and 233 it shows the stop in SAN.

  • kenish

    Yes.  It’s defined by ICAO and IATA, and even ATC computers are programmed to accept the 3-letter airline code + up to 4 digits.  Also, there are numbering agreements…8xxx is a “special” or “extra” section of a regular flight, 9xxx are maintenance and ferry flights, etc.

    That said…it’s all marketing.  “Fly our direct service to Mexico’s resorts” sounds quick and easy, but hardly deceptive.  The travel press should help educate on the difference between “nonstop” and “direct”.

  • Jimmy
  • Tony A.

    Hi DavidZ,
    There is a good reason to keep the DIRECT flight label. Bear with me for my own explanation (with examples).

    There is a NONSTOP flight from Manila to Los Angeles on Philippine Airlines (PR). Because of the tail-winds from West to East, the aircraft can make the journey without refueling.

    However, on the EASTWARD direction, the flight from Los Angeles to Manila on the same airline is only a DIRECT flight since the aircraft needs to make a technical stop in Guam to refuel.

    Note that the flight from Los Angeles to Manila is clearly labelled as making one stop and it is the same aircraft that will continue on to Manila after it is refueled in Guam. Since the flight had a stop then it could not be labelled NON-STOP. On the other hand, passengers DID NOT have to make a connection (they did not have to change planes) so it was NOT a CONNECTING flight. Therefore, it makes sense that there should be a label that falls between a NON-STOP and CONNECTING flight. This is where the DIRECT flight label fits.

    Further note, that if a flight with the same flight number makes a stop and a change of gauge (change of aircraft) is involved then -14 C.F.R. PART 258—DISCLOSURE OF CHANGE-OF-GAUGE SERVICES (http://law.justia.com/cfr/title14/14-4.0.1.1.35.html)
    requires that the airline and/or agent MUST disclose it BEFORE sale.

    Delta has a JFK to Manila flight that stops in Narita Japan (DL173) and has the disclosure – PLANE CHANGE ENROUTE.  The flight actually makes a change of aircraft in Tokyo (allbeit the same type of aircraft B-744). However, in the reverse direction, (DL 172) from Manila to JFK also stops in Narita, Japan but does NOT change aircraft.

    Both DL172 and DL173 use only one flight number but have a stop (and both disclose this one stop). Using the industry definition, they are both DIRECT flights. But, under US Law, DL173 must disclose that a change of aircraft (change of gauge) is required.
    (Please note however, that my airline reservation system [GDS] does not consider DL173 as a direct flight since it has a change of gauge.)

    I would agree with people that the SEMANTICS used in Airline Terminology may be a bit whacky. But anyone who actually reads the itinerary they are about to purchase or the display of the flights on the screen can discern the meaning of a STOP on a direct flight. For as long as there is full disclose of the stop and where the stop is, there is no reason to lose sleep over the term DIRECT flight.

  • Tony A.

    Hi DavidZ,
    The airline cannot use the term STOPOVER because stopover means the passenger will break the journey  – meaning it will not a be a *through* fare.

    For a stopover to take place, Mr. Segal will deplane in San Diego and end the flight segment there. He will stay in San Diego for some time (beyond the maximum required for a through flight). Then he will check-in and board a new flight to resume the rest of his journey. Airlines usually levy some fees to make a stopover. Also when an international flight involves a stopover inside the USA, then a portion of the fare will included a domestic US travel tax.

    One way to make sense of this is  – the airplane or flight makes a STOP, while it is the passenger who makes a STOPOVER.

    This is exactly the reason why there is a huge difference between a STOP and a STOPOVER.

  • Rob D

    It certainly is sustainable. Whether you want to fly or not is a different issue. My personal hope is that you, OP, and people who whine a lot fly less and less to make it easier for me when I do fly.

  • Pauletteb

    When people who think they’re entitled to something they’re not and receive compensation they don’t deserve, the rest of us end up paying for it. I only fly a couple times a year, but I know the difference between “direct” and “non-stop” flights. The error was 100 percent on OP and not the airline. Rewarding just plain stupid is not the way to go. What a schmuck!

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    With the huge Airport Fees today, it can save more a few bucks. CDG and LHR transit charge around 80$USD.

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    There isn’t Economy Plus on Air Canada. This guy try to scam out of the Airlines in several way. He claims traveling a lot but don’t have any Elite Status to get to Priority Line, what’s a lie.

  • flutiefan

    ugh, i already hate this guy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    ” blank spot in front of my seat in the seat diagram” : with 400+ flights this scammer know what he did and did it on purpose. The “obese woman” and “woman sitting there with a baby” happened  like in a fairy tale, she that , she this… only “she” are his problems. What’s a misogynist.

  • Guest

    are you always so long winded?

  • Rosered

    You are always welcome to put it more succinctly.

  • Joseph Walters

    I think that we should all start posting on his blog about how he is the one with problems, not Alaska Airlines.

  • Rosered

    Oh, and just one more thing…I hope AS has a “no-fly” list and this guy is on there, and I hope they share their experience with other airlines.  Time to scam the scammer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7OYQKEIFR6P2HLIWRHSVNOBQU4 Gromit801

    @rosered.  Believe me, everything this guy did was documented and is contained in his passenger file.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=530479200 Dana Scheider

    I think he did get too much compensation–except that he couldn’t have availed himself of the concessions Alaska offered without flying Alaska again. Since he was obviously dissatisfied with their service and felt duped, he shouldn’t have to fly with them again to get the compensation they offered, even though the monetary value of that compensation was reasonable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=530479200 Dana Scheider

    Also, don’t get me wrong – I love this blog and am all about consumer advocacy – but, major first-world problem.