Is this enough compensation? Two vouchers for a kennel I didn’t need

=”drop_cap”>When Charles Robinson tried to load his Labrador Retriever on a United Airlines flight from Frankfurt, German, to Washington, recently, an airline employee stopped him. Not only was the cage he’d used for years to carry his dog too small, but the one for his cats didn’t cut, it either.

The cat kennel, he was told, needed screw-down connectors instead of clip-down connectors. Robinson had to buy new cages for his pets and paid extra to have them sent back to the States, at a cost of nearly $1,000.

That didn’t sit well with Robinson, who is a member of the armed services flying on orders. Had United informed him of the requirements in advance, he could have found larger cages that met their standards. Even though he pointed out that the old cages were perfectly acceptable to the airline when he arrived in Germany two years ago, United just reiterated that it stood by its employee’s decision.

“There seemed to be no actual interest in looking at the facts,” he says.

I suggested that Robinson appeal that decision writing and gave him a few airline contacts.

United responded to his brief, polite email with a form response that said it was just following USDA requirements.

These requirements are all located on www.united.com. Please understand if you felt you were being charged unnecessarily for kennels or you felt the kennel size was too large, this would have to been disputed at the airport with a manager or supervisor. Regrettably, as this is after the fact I am unable to assist you.

United offered Robinson two $100 electronic travel certificates to make up for his trouble.

“The reply from United felt like adding insult to injury,” he says.

Robinson asked me to make sure that was United’s final answer. I checked; it was.

One question Robinson’s experience raises: How clearly are those USDA rules disclosed on United’s site?

The general information page on pet travel only says, “The USDA has clear guidelines on allowable temperature limits for animal-holding areas, which airlines must obey.” You have to dig a little deeper to find its page on kennels, which would have helped Robinson understand the rules.

So yes, these requirements are located on United.com — but are they easy to find? No.

Robinson says the United employee who cost him nearly $1,000 didn’t appear to be concerned with the dog’s welfare as much as with her own.

She never even put the dog in her cage. She never took a measurement. She just decided from across the room that the cage was not up to specs.

A word to the wise would be that it was not an isolated incident and the best thing to do is to get it resolved in the airport because if you let it happen, United will blame the victim and walk away with a pile of your money. It’s really too bad.

In other words, United just saw Robinson and his pets as an opportunity to make money. And now, in an effort to make him happy, it’s throwing some funny money — two flight vouchers — at him.

At the same time, you wouldn’t want the animals to be hurt on the long flight from German to the United States. The results could be tragic.

So what do you think? Are the two $100 certificates adequate?

Survey says: no.

(Photo: Paul D avid/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Tom

    The animals need a larger cage for their own welfare and the screws on the cat’s cage are designed to keep the animal from becoming loose in the cargo hold. The United agent was more interested in the animals’ welfare than the owner — who’s primary motivation seems to be saving money. The suggestion the agent was out to make a buck shows me the owner is still in denial.

    If the animals had died during the flight or panicked from being in a confined, dark place amid strange noises and sensations, he would have been the first to demand extraordinary compensation. The days of throwing your pet in the box used years ago and shoving them in the cargo hold seem to be ending. The airlines are taking their responsibilities more seriously and so too should pet owners.

  • Lp

    People do have to take some responsibility for knowing the rules on transporting animals. It’s not like United made up these rules–they’re USDA imposed.

  • Raven

    I think you need to mediate this one, Chris. It sounds like United saw someone they thought they could make money off of without measuring the cage or even looking to see if the man had flown with the animals in those same cages before.

    How many people would abandon their pets? Very few, and the airlines bank on that. I’m willing to bet United even gave their agent a bonus for extorting money out of this guy.

    I’m all for USDA requirements, but it sounds like the airline’s agent didn’t even measure the cage, she just glanced at it.

  • http://www.clarkecomputer.com Charles Clarke

    I didn’t find it hard to find kennel information on united.com. Albeit, I’m a computer nerd. On google.com, just search site:united.com kennel

    Looking at the kennel page, the only thing I saw on sizing was “Kennel size is sturdy and sufficient to allow your pet freedom of movement, so it is able to stand, lie down and turn around freely.” I’d be surprised if these changed in 2 years, so I wonder if the dog grew(and yes, I realize the picture of the puppy shown is not the one in question). If so, I wouldn’t expect to be able to use the same kennel.

    I can understand the rules for clips on the cat cages having changed. Though, with how many other things have changed in two years, I would have made sure I understood the current rules before flying.

    How many cats did he have? It looks like they each need a cage. For some reason I thought you could have more than 1 in a cage, but it looks like they have to be kittens to do that. Or maybe it has changed.

    As for spending nearly $1000…I’ll assume 2 cats and that he bought the cages from United right there. I have trouble imagining someone traveling with more than 2 cats, cats don’t cost much extra and I don’t think he would have tried using just one kennel for more than 2.

    1 extra large cages @ $120 + 2 small cages @ $50 = $220. If the pets had to change from in cabin to checked, then 3 changes @ $90 EUR ($180 EUR – $90 EUR) = 270 EUR or approximately $400.

    So we have a total of $620 if he couldn’t use the dog’s kennel for the cats and he had to check the kennels now instead of having them in the cabin. Doesn’t add up to close to $1000. Which makes me wonder what else doesn’t add up, so I discount, his comment on the agent judging the size from across the room the dog was too big. Which also makes me wonder why the agent or dog would be across the room instead of right there.

    I do appreciate Robinson (though he has a perfectly wonderful first name!) and others serving our country. Thank you to you all!

    Fill in some of the holes in his story, have him take more responsibility for checking on kennel requirements and maybe I’ll change my mind, but for now, I think he was overpaid.

  • Matilda

    Bottom line: He should have checked on the requirements before he showed up at the airport. It’s his responsibility as a pet owner to know the rules and follow them. He’s just upset because he (like everyone else these days) did the bare minimum and ASSUMED that what passed 2 years ago would pass again without even checking.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    “So yes, these requirements are located on United.com — but are they easy to find? No.”
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    I went to the United website a few minutes ago. I think that that the information is pretty easy to find.

    You take your mouse on the main webpage over the ‘Services & Information’ and click on Pets. There is a page with four links, 1. Guidelines for pet travel; 2. Arranging pet travel; 3. Kennels; and 4. Service animals.

    It takes one mouse click to get to the Pet webpage. It takes one mouse click to click on the link for Kennels. I think that the information about pets are very easy to find on the United website, http://www.united.com/page/middlepage/0,6998,1047,00.html?navSource=dropDown&linkTitle=pets, as well as there is a lot of information and telephone numbers listed on these pages. There are pictures of what type of locks that are acceptable and are not acceptable.

    However, I think that the USDA website, http://www.aphis.usda.gov, is not user friendly. First, there is\are no link(s) on the homepage for the requirements to travel with pets. Since there are a lot of people that travels with their pets to and from the US, you think that there should be a link on the homepage. Second, I did a few searches and I couldn’t find the page with the USDA regulations for kennels.

  • BillC

    The page on united.com is pretty clear on their kennel requirements. It seems that I am agreeing quite often with the businesses these days but it all boils down to customers not bothering to read up on travel requirements whether for themselves, their baggage or in this case pet carriers.

    He must had quite a few pets for an extra $1000. I am assuming that he had already paid for their travel and the extra cost would be for purchase of kennels and maybe a little extra if the new kennels were much larger.

    On a side note, I want to scream whenever I see the words ‘why didn’t xxxxxxxxx tell me in advance about their rules’.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    It is my recommnedation that every reader goes to the United webpage, http://www.united.com/page/middlepage/0,6998,1047,00.html?navSource=dropDown&linkTitle=pets, to see all of the information about traveling with a pet (or pets) before slamming United.

    @ Raven – “I’m all for USDA requirements, but it sounds like the airline’s agent didn’t even measure the cage, she just glanced at it.”
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    Maybe the UA agent have been doing this for several years and knew that it was too small for the size of dog. Also, the OP didn’t provide the specifications of the cage; the specifications of his dog; picture(s) of his dog in the cage; etc. to provide that the cage was big enough. If someone was forcing me to purchase a new cage and I disagreed, I would have put the dog in the cage, took pictures, asked for a supervisor\manager, etc.

    @ OP: I do appreciate your service to our country.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Matilda – “He’s just upset because he (like everyone else these days) did the bare minimum and ASSUMED that what passed 2 years ago would pass again without even checking.”
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    Another possibility is that two years ago, his cages were NOT to the specifications but it was overlooked since he was in the military.

    Another possibility is that USDA regulations have changed in the past few years about cages for pets. I have read several articles in the past few years about pets dying on flights…maybe the USDA changed their regulations since the last time that the OP’s cages were used.

    @ Charles Clarke – “Fill in some of the holes in his story…”
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    I agree that are some missing pieces of information from the OP. I can’t vote until I have the whole story.

  • CK

    If I’d flown with pets as recently as 2 years ago, I’d work on the assumption that my carriers were still fine 2 years later. Particularly since they flew cargo, so it’s not like you’d assume there has been a size change on the carrier. He’s military, so it’s not like this is the first time he’s done this.

    I’ve had airline employees argue with me about the carrier for one of my cats. He’s a bit bigger and spreads out a bit when he sits. He can still stand up and shift in flight. It’s designed to fly in cabin. I had a United employee give me a significant amount of grief about the carrier and inform me I’d have to get a different cage and send him as cargo. I stood my ground and said heck no. I talked to a supervisor who agreed that the carrier was fine.

    I ran into this after researching the requirements online AND using a travel agent to book the flight to ensure I didn’t miss something. The rules regarding carriers size haven’t changed in a significant way since the last time I flew with my cats 7 years ago. Animal needs to be able to stand up and move during the flight.

    Based on the information provided, it sounds like the cat cage was a genuine error (new pets possibly?). The lab kennel is a different story.

    I don’t think it’s appropriate for a business to say the customer should have argued it at the time with the employee. In this day in age, airline employees have a great deal of leeway to keep people from getting on flights if you become a problem customer. He’s flying on orders, which means he has to be at his new destination on time. He can’t skip flights.

    Also, he had to book pets specifically for the flight. That has to go with a travel agent. You can’t book pets online. So either the United employee didn’t review requirements in an appropriate manner or the travel agent didn’t.

  • Thomas

    @ Lp

    I agree! NO ONE taked responsibility for anything, anymore. Not my fault, I didn’t know, help me, etc., etc..

    What hasn’t changed in two years? Well, it was that way the last time.

  • Thomas

    Sorry, fat finger, takes.

  • Matilda

    @Arizona Road Warrior

    I couldn’t agree more about how easy it is to find the requirements. I popped over to the United website and typed “pets” into their search box and the first entry was the page with all the requirements about their guidelines and kennel including sizes and costs.

    @Chris Elliott: Exactly how much easier does it need to be? It took 5 seconds of my time.

  • Christopher Elliott

    Great comments. I searched the United site for “pets” and found the page I referenced. There was no link to the second, more detailed page on kennel requirements. That could be easily fixed.

    As always, we won’t have every last detail of this case, unfortunately. I’ll see if Robinson can jump in and fill in some details.

  • http://nmdfreelance.com Nancy

    As the wife of a retired military member, having traveled extensively due to military orders transferring us elsewhere, I can assure you the OP probably did his due diligence with regard to the sizes needed for his pets prior to leaving his duty station. This is something the military makes sure you know before it comes to this.

    With regard to the airline, I’m CERTAIN they saw this as a revenue generating scheme. It’s not uncommon for airlines, travel agencies, baggage handlers, etc. to look upon military traveling on orders to see an opportunity to make money on their end given most travel costs are reimbursed by the government.

    All of my siblings as well as my parents were either in the military or married to military, myself included. Each time one of us moved, something was stolen, we were told we needed to spend more money than we really needed to, we’ve had said to us more than once, “But the government will reimburse you…” And it’s not been small things stolen – my sister and her husband had a large, poster sized photo of Heidelberg Castle stolen. My other sister and her husband – a 16×20 area rug. My parents – oh, I could write a book about their travels. Once, they were told they had to kennel their dogs for 6 months when they were transferred to a country that is a US holding and the regs were that all they needed were Veterinarian Certificates related to all shots being up to date. When they questioned the official about this, his response was, “But the government will reimburse you for the kenneling.”

    This is a money grab, pure and simple. Chris, you need to get involved. This is someone taking advantage of a military member and for all the rights someone like him gives someone like this airline employee, one of them is the ability to scam someone the way they scammed him.

    Additionally, they had him over a barrel in that he had no choice but to comply on the spot. Also, being military, he is taught to obey simple orders and to follow simple instruction. Had he raised a fuss, it wouldn’t have just gone against his training but he might have also gotten in hot water with his superiors. I would wager the bully at the airline would have made certain the powers that be knew about it in a hurry.

    I’ve seen this too many times over too many years. Yes, the government WILL reimburse us. But why is it okay to pull this scam just because you can? Why put US through it for the sake of the almighty dollar?

  • http://nmdfreelance.com Nancy

    Also, neglected to mention – were he to really need different kennels for his pets, he could have gotten then for half the price at the military base. They carry all sizes and they’re really a bargain on military bases. So, yes, it IS about saving money… Sorry this disappoints some posters here but military members make FAR less than their civilian counterparts and they HAVE to cut costs where ever they can.

  • Mike Z

    Sorry, but even if he overlooked the requirements for the cages, to charge someone of our armed services almost a grand is just not right.

    I’m staying out of the vote on this one because my emotions say he’s a servicemenber and should be given some latitude and part of me says the rules are easy to find.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Matilda: There is no need for a search. You just take your mouse over the Services & Information tab (Traveling with chidlren; Travelers with specials needs; Traveling with Pets, etc) on the home page of UA and click on Pets. The homepage for Pets has four pages\links: 1. Guidelines for pet travel; 2. Arranging pet travel; 3. Kennels; and 4. Service animals.

    To be fair, I have a young child and it is very common at the airlines websites that I visited over the past four years that the travel requirements for children are listed in ‘Special Services’, ‘Services & Information’, etc. The information for Pets, Travelers with special needs, etc. are typically listed under the tab\main page for ‘Special Services’, ‘Services & Information’, etc.

    @ Chris Elliott: If you did a search instead of clicking through Services & Informtion, there is still a link at the top of the page that you can go to the general Pets page for additional information.

    1. Children, pets & assistance > Pets > Kennels
    2. Children, pets & assistance > Pets > Rules and guidelines for your pet
    3. Children, pets & assistance > Pets > Traveling with pets

    A person just needs to click on ‘Pets’ if they are on the ‘Kennels’, ‘Rules and guidelines for your pet’ or ‘Traveling with pets’ page.

  • David

    OK, United has some pretty high fees for shipping pets. A checked kennel is 180 Euros, and an in-cabin pet is 90 Euros.

    @Charles Clarke has done his homework well. (nice job.)

    I suggest you get a copy of the receipt if you mediate, and details on how many kennels and how many cats.

    I am expecting that the $1000 is for kennels and transport fees, but I can’t come up with that figure based on one dog kennel and one cat kennel. At a minimum, the service member should have been expecting to pay 180 Euros for the dog kennel and 90 Euros for the cats in cabin. So that’s around $400 (and that’s the minimum) that the service member would have paid even if his kennels had been acceptable. Which plainly the cat kennel was not.

    David

  • CNickyD

    I can’t see myself complaining about this one. As many reports that I read about animals dying in-route, I don’t think there’s anything I wouldn’t do to ensure their comfort and safety. If United says the crate should be bigger or have a different latch, so be it.

  • Matilda

    @Arizona Road Warrior

    Thanks, but I was just trying to show that even if you have no idea where on the website the info is located it’s all too easy to find with a simple search.

  • flutiefan

    i don’t think United even owed him those 2 $100 vouchers. they owed him nothing. his pet carriers weren’t up to snuff. that’s HIS issue, not United’s. they graciously provide kennels that meet specified guidelines, just for situations like this, and sell them at a premium. i see no problem with that capitalism.
    i think being in the military has virtually nothing to do with this situation, and was a way for the OP to garner sympathy. much like when the older folks say “I’m a senior citizen on a fixed income.” heck, i am on zero income (disability, not being paid), and i don’t bust out that excuse when i’m trying to get my way or get out of paying for something.

    United was just trying to be nice, for once, when they issued those vouchers. personally, i don’t think they owed the OP anything for his lack of knowledge and due diligence.

  • MVFlyer

    This is interesting–most of the comments are saying it’s Robinson’s problem for not checking the requirements first, but the poll says overwhelmingly that UA hasn’t offered him enough compensation. Did people not understand the question?

  • John C

    To almost all the above responders, i want to clarify how traveling with pets on military orders works.

    1. You get your full proce tickets on whichever carrier airlines has bid for and achieved your desired routes.

    2. You have to call the special military desk for that carrier airline. The problem is, is that these desks are not manned by actual airline employees but contracted out. They tell you what the differences are for military rules regarding these things.

    So even if the OP did look at the website, it wouldn’t matter because we do have special rules. However, I would not expect evey gate agent to know, them. The supervisor should have, but I remember my flight recently on Delta and that’s not always the case..

    Also, we ARE NOt reimbursed for pet related travel expenses. In my opinion we should not be either.

  • Monica

    I’m not sure why some are arguing that the airline was targeting him because he was on orders. I traveled all the time in the USMC on orders, but the airlines never knew. Unless the service member is in uniform, there’s no way for them to know.

    I feel that United’s site adequately posted the rules, and he should have checked, not assumed, what current regulations were. When I travel with pets I check multiple times and sources (website and customer service) to make sure I have no issues when I’m at the airport.

  • DJP

    The other issue in this that is not addressed.

    It appears as if he is returning from a tour in Germany. United is a contracted carrier that he must fly on so he doesnt have options in dinding other carriers.

    Through the booking where he very likjely declared his pets were returning with him a united or the travel agent of the government (Carlson Wagonlit) who books his tickets could have informed him of any new regulations if changes have been made in the last 2 years on Pet flying.

    If he brought them to Germany with those carriers he should be able to return them in those same pet carriers.

    This issue likely came from low level idiot who had no knowledge of what exactly the rules were.

  • http://www.clarkecomputer.com Charles Clarke

    @John C – Thank you for explaining about calling the military desk and how they are mainly concerned with the differences for military. It sounds like this may be a partial reason for him not knowing the current pet rules.

    @Nancy – Good point about him being used to obeying orders. Although I’m not sure that some in modern military are as good at knowing what the rules are as in the past. I know my dad was a real stickler!

    If he was in Germany for 2 years, then I would assume this was his end of the tour of duty and he would have known when he would fly for quite a while. Also, correct me if I’m wrong(Although I have relatives who are military, I haven’t been.), don’t you have a span of time(a couple of weeks?) between tours of duty, so he may not have been on a tight time schedule as it may seem.

  • http://www.santafecheapskate.wordpress.com ChelseaGirl

    This is a first! Generally luggage is deemed too large. I’ve neve heard of anything being called “too small.” Even if it is a kennel. Sounds like United ripped him off; I’d guess $1,000 has to be way above and beyond what it really cost. In spite of that, it is the customer’s responsibility to find out ahead of time what the requirements are, If they are hard to find online, then you call the airline and find out. Flying with a pet is too complicated to leave it to chance. I’d say no for further compenstiaon.

  • Linda Snow

    “ASSUME” makes an a** out of You and Me. The OP assumed that because the carriers would be ok 2 years ago, they would be ok now. I could also assume that the car child seat I used for my daughter 35 years ago would be legal for my grandchildren – guess what that assumption would end up with at least a traffic ticket.

    I think there’s some fault on both sides here – the OP should have done some more research. The airline could have informed him of the current rules in an email when he reserved space for the pets. And they could have refrained from price-gouging on selling him the new carriers. However I think the $200 in vouchers is not too bad. I probably wouldn’t pursue it further. He can sell his old carriers on ebay.

  • Dave

    The basic problem here is that it’s the passenger’s opinion vs. the agent’s; there is no objective guideline for the size of the kennel (without actually getting the animal to stand and move, any determination is subjective).

    The only reason I voted “no” on the compensation is that in my view vouchers are never an acceptable compensation.

    Another thing to consider is that he was flying from Germany. The impression I get from years of reading FlyerTalk is that the agents in Germany are the most inflexible on the face of the planet (I haven’t been there myself since 1973, so can’t speak from personal experience). I doubt he would have gotten anywhere at all talking to a supervisor at the airport.

  • Ernest

    @ CK
    He’s military, so it’s not like this is the first time he’s done this.
    What does military have to do with it? He aludes to haveing flown once with them but it could have been his spouse if he has one. I served 24 years and did multiple overseas tours but I know lots of guys that never left the states. I served in Germany for a total 11 years between 1973 and 1997.

    Being military does (and should) have benefits but it does not excuse ignorance. I do believe the Air Force takes better care of their people than the Army does but the OP didn’t specify. Was he a private with 3 years service or a senior NCO/Officer? I know many junior grade soldiers that never seemed to know and I expected it from them but it is still no excuse. You also need to remember that not everyone in the military is professional. We had the same problems that the civilians have, thieves, bad check writers, sexual preditors, and people that just didn’t have what it took or just didn’t care. They were the minority but they are still there.

    You would put your 2 year old child in an infant carrier you used 2 years ago and expect it to work. Its the OP’s own fault for not knowing or finding out. The resources to find out are available if he had only asked. Only he is responsible for his actions but it is easier to blame the airline or its employee.

  • ViviW

    Two years is a very long time in airline time, so much has changed in the last two years that the customer should have taken the time to research what the requirements are for transporting pets. As an example, I assume if it were his baggage instead of his pets he would have checked to see if the baggage fees had gone up or what other new fees/regulations may apply. Transporting pets requires even more diligence than your luggage b/c most times they are a member of the family.

    United’s employee, no matter how long they have been doing this, should have measured the cages instead of eye-balling them. If for no other reason than to provide the appearance of service and to be able to document the problem.

    Is $200 in coupons enough compensation? My response after reading the post was no, not for an additional $1,000 charge that can’t be documented by the airline. If they are going to add on charges they must be able to document the cause of the charges. Airlines know that people who are traveling with pets will not abandon them at the airport b/c of extra charges. The customer should have done more research but the airline should be able to prove the need for the larger cages and extra charges.

  • Heather

    As others have stated $1000 seems a little rich for the service provided. Any chance of getting a breakdown of that?

    The cost notwithstanding I see problems on both sides of this dispute. Mr Robinson assumed that the original kennels would work and needed to to have screw down connectors on at least one of the kennels. The other kennel is up in the air as to whether or not it was legitimately needed. As they did not measure it or place the dog in it I don’t think they can say with certainty that it was inappropriate for said dog.

    I’d go back to them on the cost(are they gouging?) and on the need for a second carrier(procedure may not have been followed).

  • BJ

    The stand, turn and lie down requirement has been in effect with the USDA for a number of years but depending on the age of the lab when he went to Germany I believe he said 2 years ago the dog may have grown taller or wider. After having crated dogs for transport for 13 years I can pretty much look at a airline approved crate and know if the dog will be able to meet these requirements. I followed these when we shipped our first golden retriever – and replaced that crate at least 3 times during his 14 years of travel.

  • noah

    I don’t understand how United is making money off of this. Did United sell him the larger pet carriers?

  • DJP

    @BJ

    dont know the age of the dog…when he went to germany the dog could have been fully grown so it was not an issue.. If it was a young pup then the dog would grow and possibly be to large for the carrier.

    @Charles Clarke

    In some cases you have 45 days between deployments…but that depends on what operation you are going to next. Dates are set but things can chage and if your commander doesnt budge you can be screwed out of the 45 days in between duties.

    He had this flight booked…he couldnt easily change his flight. He likely did know he was going to leave for a few months. He likely talked to support personel regarding bringing his pets.

    All military organizations have on building/operation for inprocessing and outprocessing of people which is designed to answer the questions of the servicemembers and provide them accurate information including the rules when it comes to pet travel.

    As I said before United is the contracted carrier as far as I can tell for his flight home so he had to take that carrier. Did they know he was military even if not in uniform—YES THEY DO—its because of ticketing codes and ticket purchasing info. The airline likely marks on their manifest who are military travelers.

    I dont believe he was specifically targeted because he was military–I believe the gate agent didnt have a clue.

  • DJP

    @ Noah…I think the prices he paid seems very unreasonable. Many companies will do this where they will charge you a service or convienience fee for something and price-gouge. He may have been able to buy these carriers for $100 at some store in town…but because he had to make his price the airline jacked up the price of the pet carreiers to $500 a piece for ancillary profit makers.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ DJP: Here are the prices for the kennels that United Airlines sell at selected airports in United States:

    Small $50
    Medium $60
    Intermediate $70
    Large $100
    Extra-large $120

    Prices do not include state and local sales tax. This information came from the United Airlines website.

    I don’t know how these prices compare to kennels that can be purchased at pet stores but it seems to be ‘fair’ if a large (36 x 24 x 26) kennel sells for $ 100 and extra-large kennel (40 x 27 x 30) sells for $ 120 and you mentioned $ 100 in your comments.

    I did a google search and it seems that large kennels sell from $ 70 to $ 140, http://www.thefind.com/pets/info-medium-36%22-dog-cage-crate.

    According to United’s website (which could be incorrect), it sells kennels only at selected airports in the USA. IF this is true then the kennels that the OP purchased in Germany wasn’t from United but from another company; therefore, United can’t control the prices of another vendor.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ noah – “I don’t understand how United is making money off of this. Did United sell him the larger pet carriers?”
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    As I commented to DJP, United only sells kennels at selected US airports according to their website. IF this is true, then UA is NOT making money from the sale of the kennels.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Heather – “As others have stated $1000 seems a little rich for the service provided. Any chance of getting a breakdown of that?”
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    I agree with you. The prices to check a pet is listed on UA website. The dog was already check so the fee was paid. We don’t know how cats as well as if the cats were going to be cabin check ($ 90 Euro or $ 125 USD) or ‘luggage’ check ($ 180 Euro or $ 250 USD). If the cat (or cats) was\were going to be cabin check but ended up as ‘luggage’ check, the extra cost is $ 90 Euro or $ 125 per cat.

    If the OP had three cats that went from cabin check to luggage check, the OP paid $ 375 USD ($ 125 x 3 cats) plus the cost for a kennel for the cats and the cost for a kennel for the dog.

    If the cat or cats was originally scheduled to be luggage check, the OP would have encountered the costs for a kennel for the cats and the cost for a kennel for the dog.

    It seems like the OP was going to check his cat (or cats) since the cat kennel was rejected by UA since UA will ONLY accept kennels secured with nuts and bolts…kennels secured via other methods, such as twist locks or snap locks are NOT acceptable.

    If I am right then the OP didn’t pay any addition fees (i.e. going from cabin to storage) but he paid $ 1,000 for two new kennels.

    I am wondering if the OP includes the fees ($ 180 Euro or $ 250 USD) to check his pets ($ 250 x 2 = $ 500) which he paid upfront when booking this tickets plus the cost of two kennels (another $ 500). I know that prices for certain items in Europe can be higher than the same items in the US due to the taxes (e.g. VAT), etc.

    I would like to see the breakdown of the ADDITIONAL $ 1,000 (which is on top on the pet fees that he paid at the time of the booking of his tickets) that the OP paid at the airport to ship back his pets.

  • cjr

    “his pet carriers weren’t up to snuff.”

    This is the assumption being made by many of the commenters here, but I don’t see anything in the story that states as much.

    The OP has had the cages apparently for years, and has had no trouble using them in the past.

    The only change here is that airlines are more strict about everything so they can gouge us for money on fees and such. That, and people seem to believe the gate agent – who are often ignorant of their company’s own policies – was entirely in the right.

    I’m inclined to believe she was entirely in the wrong.

  • BucksterSF

    if you are traveling with anything special it is your responsibility alone to know the specific requirements of that airline.

    Remember, he also had the option of not flying. He didn’t have to spend $1000 that day, he chose to.

  • BucksterSF

    My comment above said, shame on United for gouging someone for $1000 for three cages that probably cost them less than $100. They owe him some money back.

  • http://www.dogtravelpro.com dogtravelpro pet carrier

    I think United could have handled this in a more customer friendly way. They do have regulations that they have to follow, but I think they should have alternate kennels available at a reasonable price available for these situations. For a long flight a dog does need room to be able to stand up, turn around, and lie down. I do think, however, that too much room in a kennel allows less protection for a pet as they get thrown around if the airplane experiences turbulence. In my opinion some airlines want too much room in the kennel

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ cjr – “his pet carriers weren’t up to snuff. This is the assumption being made by many of the commenters here, but I don’t see anything in the story that states as much.”
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    The article stated, “The cat kennel, he was told, needed screw-down connectors instead of clip-down connectors.” If you go to UA website, it has pictures of kennels with connectors that are acceptable and connectors that are NOT acceptable. UA will ONLY accept kennels secured with nuts and bolts…kennels secured via other methods, such as twist locks or snap locks are NOT acceptable.

    Two years, UA could have had a different policy concerning connectors. Or it could have been the policy two years ago but the OP’s cat kennel was overlooked.

  • flutiefan

    “his pet carriers weren’t up to snuff.” (written by me)
    “This is the assumption being made by many of the commenters here, but I don’t see anything in the story that states as much.” (written by cjr)

    “The cat kennel, he was told, needed screw-down connectors instead of clip-down connectors.” (written in the story)

  • cjr

    “The article stated”

    This, I presume, was told to him by the agent. To which I already said it wouldn’t have shocked me in the least if the agent was not accurate in the company’s policies. It would be far from the first time that had occurred.

    But then, this is two separate issues: a matter of size of the dog, and a matter of type of cage for the cat. Even if the gate agent was right regarding the cat’s cage, United’s response was less than helpful with regards to the concerns over the dog cage.

    “Two years, UA could have had a different policy concerning connectors. Or it could have been the policy two years ago but the OP’s cat kennel was overlooked.”

    Regardless of whether the policy had changed, is this something that is stressed to passengers when they purchase a ticket and it is known that they will be traveling with pets? It doesn’t seem like it.

    But even then, United’s employees apparently hold all the power in deciding what is appropriate or not. What if his dog’s cage *was* acceptable? Then what? He should’ve had to buy the new cage because a gate agent said so, regardless?

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ dogtravelpro pet carrier – “They do have regulations that they have to follow, but I think they should have alternate kennels available at a reasonable price available for these situations.”
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    UA ONLY sell kennels at select US airports according to their website. UA is NOT PetSmarts, etc. nor do they have space (which they are leasing from the airport) at the airport to use as a pet store or warehouse; etc. It is the responsibility of the passengers to insure that their kennels are to the specifications, etc.

    In this case, the OP was departing from an airport in Germany. If the UA website is correct, the kennels were sold by a third-party and UA can’t control the prices of a third-party vendor.

  • Anthony

    If the cat carriers weren’t up to the proper standard, then he’d have to get new ones. Period. The dog carrier is a different matter–I’ve had some experience with United making the claim that my dog carrier was too small for my Black Lab. I disagreed with that assessment and got a manager over who also told me it was too small, even though my dog was quite comfortable inside. Luckily, I was allowed to open the carrier, because my dog exited, went back in, turned around and laid down. That shut the United folks right up. Based on the article, Mr. Robinson was never given that opportunity to actually demonstrate that his dog carrier was okay and the vouchers are a poor goodwill gesture.