Is this enough compensation? Bumped from a flight and we missed our connection

JetBlue flight 686 from Washington to Boston was delayed by a few hours on April 13, which wasn’t a big deal to most of the passengers. Except to Lonn Waters and his girlfriend, who planned to catch an Icelandair flight to Keflavik, Iceland, later that evening.

The mechanical delay threw a wrench in their vacation plans, and fixing it wasn’t easy.

Here are the particulars: When Waters learned his outbound flight would be delayed, he phoned JetBlue and paid and extra $80 to catch an earlier flight.

“When we checked in, my girlfriend was assigned a seat,” he says. “I wasn’t.”

Turns out JetBlue had overbooked the flight, and didn’t have a seat for him.

By the time we got to the gate, the plane was fully seated. Our checked bags were loaded, but I was not assigned a seat and the desk agent declined to offer compensation to the other passengers to voluntarily “bump” one. My girlfriend declined to board the plane without me.

JetBlue rebooked the couple on a US Airways flight to Boston later that day, but that wasn’t meant to be, either. The flight was canceled because of a weather delay, and they missed their Icelandair flight that evening.

They eventually made it to Iceland. But they had to pay a $250 change fee and a fare difference — a grand total of $955 each.

The reason? The couple didn’t have the reservations linked, so Icelandair treated their mechanical delay/overbooking/weather delay as a cancellation.

Waters wants JetBlue to reimburse him a total of a total of $1,911, which would cover the cost of rebooking the first JetBlue flight and the new Icelandair ticket. But his efforts to resolve this by phone were unsuccessful.

He contacted me for help, and I suggested he send the airline a brief, polite email. Here are a few JetBlue contacts.

That worked.

Basically, they apologized but do not acknowledge culpability and do not agree that I was “involuntarily bumped” from their flight.

The rep said their system had a “glitch” and sold my girlfriend a seat but me a standby seat. Which is an interesting argument since she also said that JetBlue does not oversell their planes.

In any case, she has offered to refund our expenses ($115 of change fee and extra bags) or provide JetBlue credit double those expenses ($230).

Looking back, it’s clear Waters could have done one thing to avoid the Icelandair change fee and fare differential: If his reservations had been on the same PNR, which is something a travel agent could have done, then that the airline would have probably rebooked him as a courtesy.

But could the mechanical delay and the ensuing troubles have been avoided? Probably not. These things happen.

JetBlue wasn’t responsible for getting Waters to Boston at a certain time, at least not according to its contract of carriage (PDF). But did it compensate this couple enough for screwing up one of their reservations?

 

  • Anonymous

    This is a toughie… ordinarily the answer would absolutely be: “If you have a separate ticket with each airline, too bad for you.”  However, since they messed up the reservation, they should at least be coughing up a voucher and $80 on JetBlue.  But full compensation?  I don’t think so, as I doubt JetBlue had two seats on that flight to sell, which is why one of the reservations ended up being a standby instead of a confirmed reservation.  If JetBlue had done the reservation correctly, he would have simply been told “Sorry.  Not enough seats on that flight.”

  • Anonymous

    I had a very similar experience.  My sister and I had an Ireland vacation planned on United, using miles.  We could only get to London on miles seats, so I purchased Air Lingus tickets to get us to Shannon.  Our outbound flight was 4 hours delayed taking off, then over the ocean we turned back to Newfoundland due to a passenger illness.  Four hours on the ground in  Newfoundland, then the crew flew us back to Boston to get rebooked.  We arrived in London 24 hours after we were supposed to have landed.  I ended up paying $600 on change fees and fair differences to get us to Shannon.  United said they fulfilled their contract so no cash, and Air Lingus said it was not their problem. 

    So I’m thinking that United must want me to fly American from now on.  So be it.

  • Susan

    Did they have travel insurance?  If so, they probably would’ve been eligible for full reimbursement through their insurance, even if the reservations weren’t linked on a single PNR.

  • Susan

    Did they have travel insurance?  If so, they probably would’ve been eligible for full reimbursement through their insurance, even if the reservations weren’t linked on a single PNR.

  • Wayne Dayton

    If JetBlue and Icelandair do not have an interline agreement, often it will then be impossible to list them on the same PNR depending on the algorhythms and programming modules of the GDS used.  Take JetBlue to Small Claims Court…they won’t show, you’ll get a judgment in default.

  • Joe Ford

    It doesn’t matter if each reservation is in the same record, or not. If airlines do not have ticketing/baggage agreements with each other they are not obligated to do anything other than for the portion you are flying on them. Unfortunately, internet web sites do not alert their customers of this fact, but a good regular travel agent probably would.

  • Tankin

    They took a chance traveling on two separate tickets and lost out.

    JetBlue owes them nothing for the flight they missed. They do owe them a refund of the fees they paid for the earlier flight. It was a denied boarding that failed to have them there with two hours of the arrival time of the flight (sounds more like more than 4) so they should have received a large settlement already to help offset the cost 

  • Steven Scholnick

    @209e86da6166192ad584a00d4f713ce1:disqus I couldn’t agree more. They definitely took a chance and lost. 

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I went to Icelandair website, the OP could have purchased 1) a reservation from Icelandair which included flights on JetBlue to/from Washington DC and Boston (it seems like they have a relationship with JetBlue since they promote JetBlue on their website) and 2) a direct flight from Washington DC to Keflavik…either case, the OP could have eliminated the problem that they encountered.

    It is my guess that they purchased two separate tickets because 1) the fares were cheaper and they were trying to save a few bucks or 2) they purchased these tickets by themselves via online without knowing the benefit of having a single PNR…this is why it is worth the $ 25 per ticket cost to deal with a travel agent.

    Also, if they had travel insurance, it would have protected them as well.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I commend Jet Blue for re-booking them on US Air, that’s very good.  Typically I do not see the discount carriers re-book people on alternate carriers. Frontier once refused to re-book me on an alternate carrier after a cancellation, and they did not have anything available for 3 days. I finally paid to fly on United and never saw a dime back from Frontier.  I typically only see the legacy carriers do this. Kudos to Jet Blue for doing so. 
     
    It’s also good that Iceland air let them re-use their ticket.  Typically they would lose 100% of the value as they were technically no-shows. Normally when this happens and I know I will misconnect, I call the alternate airline, and then am able to use re-use the ticket after the change fee +/- the fare difference.  So that’s commendable of Iceland Air as well.  This is also a problem with the on-line booking sites as many of them book separate tickets on carriers where you cannot have a linked PNR.  Often with short connections.
     
    I don’t think we have enough information on the denied boarding issue.  But buying a last minute ticket, it’s very likely they didn’t have space, and he was placed on stand-by. If the flight is already boarded and ready to go when they arrive at the gate, it doesn’t seem feasible to ask for volunteers at that point, especially for a stand by customer.  Also, the girlfriend volunteered to not fly, so she is not due the normal Involuntarily Denied Boarding compensation.  I am also surprised that Jet Blue would charge them anything to go on an earlier flight when there is a mechanical delay on their flight.  That is surprising.  My experience, at least with legacy carriers, is that if there is a delay, mechanical, weather, etc. all re-booking becomes free if it can get you where you are going.
     
    I think Jet Blue should reimburse them their Jet Blue change fee, as well as probably give them some sort of additional voucher out of good will.  But I don’t see how they feel Jet Blue should be responsible for their change fees with Iceland Air.  This unfortunately is just part of travel. Had the purchased one ticket on airlines within an alliance though code share, rather than multiple separate carriers, they could still have arrived late, but not had to pay any additional fees.  Booking an international connection on a separate carrier is always risky and unfortunately this is an example as to why not to do it.

  • http://twitter.com/travelingiraffe Crissy

    I think he deserves the fees that he paid to Jetblue to change the flight, but that’s it.  Whenever you book tickets seperatly you run the risk of this happening.  While the glitch was inconvenient, ultimately it didn’t change anything, the flight that was originally booked was the one that was delayed.  Jetblue only accepts changes if they have room on the flight, and they did attempt to make it right by putting them on another carriers flight which they didn’t have to do. 

  • Absherlock

    I think he gets back the $80 (per ticket?) that he paid to get the earlier JetBlue flight, but nothing more. 

    And JetBlue should be put on notice that a “glitch” in their system is their responsibility and any loss that occurs should be theirs to eat.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IU2LGRXM6JG7Y7Z7CFHWKQZTWQ Courtney

    I had a similar experience booked through a travel agent and I still had to pay for a new ticket on my connecting flight. My flight from Washington to Moscow was delayed, causing me to miss my Uzbek Airways connection in Moscow. I was confined to a transit area and had to had $400 cash and my passport to an airport employee so that she could go purchase a new ticket to Tashkent for me. My travel agent, STA, did nothing even though I called from the plane during the delay in DC to inform them of the problem and requested that they rebook me on a later Uzbek Airways flight. It took an entire summer of haggling and threat of legal action in order to get compensation for the “extra” plane ticket I had to purchase to get out of Domodedova’s holding pen for transit passengers. I had booked through a travel agen to avoid complications like these and it did no good.

  • jayne52

    Rookie Flyer. If you travel a lot, you know to call the airlines and connect your flights in the record, however Jet Blue and Iceland Air(from what I can find,) do not have these agreements. He should not have allowed himself so little connect time when flying Southwest, Alleigant, Jet Blue, or Air Tran type air carriers. They won’t interline your luggage either. The US Airways flight that Jet blue re booked them on had a WEATHER DELAY. That’s the key. Once they agreed to take the compensation of tickets on US airways, in my opinion, jet blue turned them over to another airline.  If you have to be at your Cruise port, or airport by a certain time in order to catch another means of travel- allow enough time.

  • MrAirport

    If the JetBlue computer experienced a “glitch”, which is a computer term used to cover-up a human being screw-up, JetBlue should reimburse the denied passengers at the maximum invol rate of compensation.
    Too bad the reservations were not linked; although, I believe with adequate documentation, Icelandic Air should have been a little more understanding and made a ticket change without shaking them down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    It’s too bad if they don’t have Travel Insurance which cover this situation, specially when they have separated tickets. As long as your connecting time is legal on the original tickets, you are cover as Interruption. It happened to me twice, I claimed all the expenses with the travel insurer and let them deal and collect the airlines. No headache. It cost around 60$ each trip and all the risks are covered except medical (Cancellation, Interruption, Luggage Lost and Delay, Death and Accidents all the way).

  • Curmudgeon

    The truth is, as you suspect, United could not possibly care less! But neither will American.

  • Clare

    Maybe… but how many times has Chris posted horror-stories that travel-insurance companies have refused to cover?  In my own limited experience, I have yet to hear of an incident that travel insurance covered as it reasonably should, which is why I gave up buying it myself.  Do they EVER pay out?!

    I am utterly appalled at JetBlue after reading this… any company that’s so unethical AND incompetent that their letter to (or conversation with) a customer contains such a blatant internal contradiction–we don’t oversell our flights, but you were sold a standby seat without knowing it–deserves to be sued.   

  • Cahilldot

    so u ned to pay a travel agent to  link a reservation??? my husband just paid $35 to a travel co to book a flight in us for him thru  a volunteer org he belongs to ,, a waste of $$$$$

  • Guest

    I agree with people who say a travel agent would have done better.  They would have thrown their hands up. 

    Jet Blue would have been off the hook had they not overbooked and sold the guy a stand by ticket.  I’m sure the genius at the counter forgot to mention that.

  • http://blogs.ocweekly.com/stickaforkinit Dave Lieberman

    And then you get to try to collect on it.

  • Rlamb333

    Elliott is correct. Whenever booking a trip including different airlines, they should all be on the same ticket. I had a cousin who did the same thing and was reimbursed only for the flight that actually had the problem, not the other one. I think that is fair since the airlines had nothing to do with each other.

  • LarryB

    Making unlinked reservations on two different airlines is a calculated risk. When my wife and I flew to Iceland about 2 years ago, Icelandair hadn’t started direct flights from Seattle, where we live. We also wanted to stopover in NYC for a few days on the way. Since Icelandair flies to JFK, we figured it wouldn’t be a problem.

    We priced linked reservations online, but all the results were stupid. The typical itinerary was SEA -> EWR -> Somewhere in Europe -> Iceland, and the costs were in the $3k range for coach. Unbundling the reservation brought the price down to about $1,100 and took Europe out of the equation.

    We wound up working with a travel agent, because the prospect of getting stuck somewhere on the way home just wasn’t acceptable, even though it cost us about $250 more per person. (And this was the BEST result from an agent.)

    So, the choice was cough up $500 up front or risk having to either pay fees or buy one-way tickets to get home if anything went wrong. Not an easy choice.

  • LarryB

    One other thing – why are people on this site obsessed with travel insurance? Unless I had a cruise or some other immovable connection, I just don’t see the value. Getting money back doesn’t pay for lost time, and time is the most precious thing of all.

  • Seth

    The JetBlue-Icelandair alliance is new (just a few weeks ago). Probably they purchased their tickets before it was announced, and thus had no possibility of buying a through ticket.

    In the story it says that a travel agent could put the two tickets on the same PNR, but could they really? Or even if they could, would it make any difference? I once asked a travel agent for help doing just that and the agent said it wasn’t possible.

  • Bill

    You are taking a chance when you make bookings like this.  They are lucky it didn’t cost even more.

  • MVFlyer

    According to JetBlue’s contract of carriage (http://www.jetblue.com/p/jetblue_coc.pdf), section 25, Refusal to Transport–the passenger should be entitled to $1000 for denied boarding, unless Jetble got him to his destination (Boston) within 1 hr of schedule.  This would make a dent in the money owed him.  His girlfriend wouldn’t be entitled to this renumeration since she voluntarily didn’t board.

  • Michael K

    I don’t understand Jet Blue’s position on the denied boarding issue.  Jet Blue doesn’t charge standby’s, so they could not have “sold a standby seat.”

    If they took payment from the couple for 2 tickets on the earlier flight, and then failed to seat them, that sounds to me like a clear cut example of involuntary bumping.  Computer glitches notwithstanding (computers do exactly what humans program them to do).

    I don’t see any basis for compensation for missing an unlinked connection, unless the delay was truly excessive (e.g. someone mentioned getting stranded for  3 days by Frontier.  That’s not reasonable (in the absence of a   blizzard or similar event) no matter what the contract of carriage states.)

  • Benjamin Barnett

    They’re both adults, why didn’t she just get on the flight and let him catch up that same day?  Their out of pocket expenses would have been half.

  • Stoyko

    The OP doesn’t seem to have much of a case. JetBlue didn’t violate their CoC. I’m just curious what happens if the defendent doesn’t show but the plaintiff doesn’t have a case, do they still get a default judgement? This would set a dangerous precedent, next time you can sue an airline claiming that a delay canceled a business transaction worth millions and refer to this precedent.

  • Bob

    Heh. Not a problem if you’re clever – and then hilarity and hijinks ensue. This blog already has a post (http://www.elliott.org/elliotts-email/so-youve-won-a-small-claims-case-against-an-airline-now-what/) about somebody who used a small claims judgment to file a writ to garnish a major airline’s bank accounts. And I wish I could find the (rather old now) article about the two lawyers who used a court judgment to seize a major carrier airplane as it was about to take off. Amazing how quickly the airline representatives in both cases became very friendly and accommodating when there was an axe hanging over their heads.

  • Michael K

    Looking at the flight histories for April 13, 2011, I’m a bit confused: If the couple was originally booked on JetBlue 686 (3:45pm), why couldn’t they get back on that flight?  It departed 60 minutes late and arrived in BOS at 6:38pm — 83 minutes late, but still nearly 3 hours prior to what appears to have been the only Icelandair flight departing from BOS that night (FI 630 at 9:30pm) [source: flightstats.com].

    If they were put on US Airways, there were hourly flights (e.g. 3:30, 4:30, and 5:30pm), some of which had delays, but each of which would appear to have gotten them to BOS in time.  

  • Mszabo

    I’d agree but from the information provided it does sound like they didn’t do the reservation correctly and if he was not a standby both he and his companion should have qualified as involuntarily bumped.  Now the reimbursement for that wouldn’t fully cover them but it would cover a lot more than they actually got back.   They should get back just about $800 each (assuming a same day flight from WAS to BOS costs near the $800 cap).  

  • Michael K

    Straight from the JetBlue website (under “Same Day Flight Change”):
    A Same-Day Change Fee of $40 per person will be applied for your confirmed seat. [emphasis mine]

    So once they took the couples’ $80, I don’t see how JetBlue can argue that they did not have confirmed seats.

  • Michael K

    Straight from the JetBlue website (under “Same Day Flight Change”):
    A Same-Day Change Fee of $40 per person will be applied for your confirmed seat. [emphasis mine]

    So once they took the couples’ $80, I don’t see how JetBlue can argue that they did not have confirmed seats.

  • Sershev

    If you buy two separate tickets on two different airlines with a connection within a few hours you take a risk. Please get one ticket through a travel agent or online agency or allow at least overnight connection with separate tickets. No airline will compensate you for missed connection if you have two separate tickets, but if it is on one ticket they will rebook you all the way to the final destination should something happen.

    As of charging $80 and not having seat, JetBlue must treat it as oversold flight and compensate according to the government guidelines for declined boarding. Would it be stand by seat, the charge should be occurred only when seat is available and assigned.

  • Tony A.

    First of all the IcelandAir flight is a NON-ISSUE here since they were NOT on the same ticket (as you said their PNRs were NOT linked). IcelandAir is NOT responsible for the couple being late. Period.

    Second, their contract with JetBlue is between Washington to Boston (Roundtrip?) only.
    The man was denied boarding (the girlfriend was NOT denied boarding, she refused to board). JetBlue ‘righted’ the situation by booking him on a different USAir flight to Boston. The fact that they also booked the girlfriend on USAir is gesture of good faith from JetBlue.

    IMO the only issue left unresolved here is whether JetBlue owes the MAN (only) $1000 for Denied Boarding Compensation (Section 27.B and 27.D.4) if he was delayed more than an hour arriving at Boston. JetBlue owes the girlfriend NOTHING since she refused to board her flight on which she had an assigned seat.

    Lesson for this couple, buy a complete journey in ONE ticket. Also, buy good travel insurance.

  • guest

    not always true about glitches being human error. Southwest Airlines switched over to a new reservations system a few years ago, and the glitches were horrendous. they lasted off & on throughout the first year or so.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I went to the Orbitz website and you can purchase tickets with a single PNR with tickets from AA, JetBlue, US Airways, etc. with Icelandiar.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I am aware of several individuals with travel insurance that missed their connecting flight for covered reasons under their travel insurance and the insurance company got them on another flight that same day while other passengers had to wait one or two days for the next available flight.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I am aware of several individuals with travel insurance that missed their connecting flight for covered reasons under their travel insurance and the insurance company got them on another flight that same day while other passengers had to wait one or two days for the next available flight.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    Most of the horror stories about travel insurance that Chris has written about has been about TRAVEL PROTECTION PLANS which are NOT travel insurance…there is a big difference.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    Most of the horror stories about travel insurance that Chris has written about has been about TRAVEL PROTECTION PLANS which are NOT travel insurance…there is a big difference.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    The OP could have purchased a direct flight from Washington DC to Keflavik.  If I had a choice between a direct flight or flight with connections or stop, I will go with a direct flight.

    It is my guess that they purchased separate tickets from each airlines because 1) the fares were cheaper and they were trying to save a few bucks or 2) they purchased these tickets by themselves via online without knowing the benefit of having a single PNR.

  • djp

    This is why if you didnt book the flights together you do not book the flights for the same day.  If you are taking a cruise and it wasnt a package deal you dont book flights and cruise departure for the same day.

    When flying internationally it is smart to look at major cities on the east coast and west coast to use to fly to destination overseas.  The flight to the coastal cities is booked separately which will likely save money.

    From the west coast price flights from Vancouver, Seattle, LAX, Vegas, and San Francisco.  From the east coast use Boston, Toronto, NYC, Philadelphia, Dulles, Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, Chicago, and Miami, Dallas, and Houston

  • Anonymous

    You should have seen a trip I had to Hawaii.  I booked my flight from the mainland separately from my travel partner’s ticket because I had to clear the dates with my boss.  We met up with another couple in Honolulu flying in from a different city.  Then we booked all our inter-island flights as a group of four, which were purchased separately and by different people.  It got especially strange when one flight was purchased with miles combined from two accounts; I spent almost an hour on the phone with an agent in a call center in India trying to sort that out.  I’m wondering what might have happened if there was a problem, especially with the last inter-island flight landing hours before the flight back to the mainland.  And yeah – we did all this to save money.

  • Bob

    Because if I have to pay an extra few thousand bucks due to a little flight delay, it’s going to leave a bad taste in my mouth and affect my enjoyment of the vacation. Still, I’ve never purchased travel insurance, but for my next big trip, I will at least price out a policy.

  • Pete the Geek

    “We value your business, we really want you to fly with us again in the future and we want you to recommend our airline to all of your friends”. How would the airline have responded if this statement was true?

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrelot Andre Lot

    Here is my take: airlines are not responsible for losses you might occur from missing an appointment on your destination, be it an unrelated, not linked subsequent flight, a court appearance, a business meeting, the opportunity to shop on a fire sale. At least, not under current regulations in US, Europe and pretty much the rest of the World.

    Henceforth I limit the issue to the “bumping” on the rescheduled flight. I have a pretty harsh view on “system glitches”: whomever maintain the system shall pay for its expected failures. So Jet Blue did right refunding the couple for the money spent on the new flights + new bag fees.Back to the airline responsibility for damages caused by delays, we had an extreme example with the 2010 Icelandic volcano crisis. It took some airlines as long as 17 days after the airports were finally reopened without restrictions to brink back stranded passengers in Asia to Europe and the other way.

  • joe finn

    Jetblue’s contract clearly states the following:
    OVERBOOKINGS   (As defined in JetBlue�s Contract of Carriage)

    Customers who are involuntarily denied boarding shall receive $1,000.

    They should of told Jetblue to pay the $1,000 right there and re-book themselves. They probably could of taken Southwest or some other airline that flies to Washington DC out of boston every 17 minutes (trust me there’s plenty of them) for less than $200 on a last minute ticket.
    Know before you go!