Is this discount airline ticket a lost cause?

Carole Brown’s airline ticket — or lack of a ticket — is probably a lost cause. But this being Monday, when I present a borderline case, I’m not 100 percent certain of it.

Last month, Brown was shopping for an affordable ticket to fly from Quito, Ecuador, to Dallas. She found a fare that fit her budget through a website called cheaperetickets.com.

Note the extra “e” — this is not Cheaptickets.com.

Not by a long shot, apparently.

She says Cheaperetickets didn’t accept credit cards when she made the reservation, so she wired the money to the online “agency.”

I sent a Western Union wire transfer to Oskars Petersons, an “employee of said company” in the amount of $1,180 plus a wiring fee and commission of $52 to cheaperetickets.com.

The money was picked up by Oskars Petersons on Tues., Sept. 18, 2012, as verified by a Promerica employee who called Western Union for verification of the collection of my payment.

You can probably guess what happened next, right? The tickets never arrived.

She explains,

I have called the UK phone number that’s listed at the bottom of each email several times and I get the same run around each time: “Your E-tickets will be issued in two hours.”

But the E-tickets have yet to be issued, nor have they refunded my money.

I can’t say I’m surprised. Whenever a business insists the money be wired, the big red “scam” light starts flashing.

Is it possible she’ll get her ticket before her scheduled departure later this month? Sure, but I’m not holding my breath.

Brown is devastated.

“I am at my wits end,” she says. “Losing approximately $1,200 is a huge amount on my husband’s Social Security Disability income!”

This looks a lot like a case I handled last year involving a discount cruise site. I tried to contact the cruise line and the fake online agency, but the money had been lost. These scams usually follow a pattern:

They advertise fares that are too good to be true.

They demand you wire money.

They string you along when you ask for the product you purchased — and then they go silent.

If Cheaperetickets is a scam, then Brown’s money is almost certainly gone. Western Union won’t be able to retrieve it, and neither will I. If Cheaperetickets is simply a misunderstood business that got its wires crossed, it’s doubtful that my involvement will change anything.

It might be interesting to contact Cheaperetickets on Brown’s behalf just to get its response, which I’m sure would make for some interesting reading.

There are a few valuable takeaways for the rest of us. In addition to never wiring money, do business with a company you know, not a fly-by-night operation thousands of miles away and located outside the jurisdiction of your nation’s courts.

I’m reluctant to get involved in this one, mostly because I don’t think I could help. But I’m willing to give it a shot.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Are you disputing that this website is fake, and that these guys are scammers? Simply because they claim that you can pay them through a bank transfer? Because if so, you are a scam waiting to happen.

    UK banks have branches in other countries, where they are far more lax about IDs than in the US or UK. Go ahead, try it. Buy a ticket from this fake company, and pay for it with a bank transfer. I dare you.

    Be sure to come back and tell us how much money you lost.

    Want to read more stories of the millions of dollars lost to scammers through bank transfers? Go read up on Scamwarners dot com. Or 419eater dot com. It’s just another way scammers take your money.

    We scambaiters actually like it when we hear of someone losing money to a scammer via bank transfer. We have contacts in the banking industry who will take reports of scammer-owned bank accounts and get them shut down.

    It doesn’t get your money back, and all they do is open up another account, but at least it might save someone who is about to become a scam victim…when they try to transfer money to the scammer’s account, their bank will tell them the account has been closed. This will often make the victim question the legitimacy of the scammer, and stop them.

    But then again it sometimes doesn’t. You’d be surprised how many will just contact their scammer and say, hey your account is closed, and the scammer will give them their new account number, and BOOM – back in business.

    Believe it or not, I know what I’m talking about.

  • JenniferFinger

    Like I said, it’s a matter of caveat emptor. Since they appear to be phony, I don’t think Chris can do anything either.

  • LGandaB

    No, I’m saying that a major UK bank may be interested in knowing that a criminal is using a local UK branch for fraudulent money transfers. Go through the booking process yourself, choose to pay by bank transfer and you’ll see. I’m sure the bank doesn’t know- yet- but once they did you’d think they would be partially responsible for further fraudulent money transfers into that account.

  • bodega3

    That is why you make purchases where you have consumer protection. This woman was making a one way international airline ticket purchase to a company she never worked with before and she wired them money with no safety net and writes to Chris for help. Why didn’t she think if this BEFORE wiring the money? All Chris can do now is restate the errors of her ways so others might pay attention and not get caught. But you know it will happen, again and again.
    What is up with the one down arrow on your post. What would someone not like about you have said?

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    If my husband had Social Security disability income, I surely would not be flying internationally.
    Chris, give this one a pass.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    I wanted to rent an apartment in Buenos Aires and the owner wanted me to wire money to him at Western Union. I wanted to do a bank transfer. He said his bank was in Italy.
    I must have “stupid” written on my head some days.
    I couldn’t run fast enough away from this one.

  • LeeAnneClark

    I love all the “down” arrows my completely truthful comments are getting. I can only surmise that they are either:

    a) Potential scam victims who don’t want to hear the truth, preferring to leave their heads stuck in the sand

    –or–

    b) Scammers who don’t like it that I’m exposing their tactics

    Either way, it’s entertaining! All I’m trying to do is help educate the public about how scams work and how to avoid them…and somebody keeps clicking the down arrow. Funny!

  • Raven_Altosk

    TONY WINS THE INTERNET TODAY!
    Well done.

  • TonyA_says

    Check out the prices offered by the website. They “sell” to the public at prices lower than the largest airline ticket consolidators can sell to you and me (i.e. travel agents). The fares are so unbelievably cheap that they are actually that – unbelievable.

    When people see and drool about these amazing prices, they fall for the scam. I am surprised why search companies display them as sponsored listings. There is no way a new and fake travel agency will come up on the top of a search engine result without paying the search engine. IMO, search engines are part of the problem, too.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    No, not intentional. Good catch!

  • LeeAnneClark

    LOL I’m getting down arrows on all of my posts today. Methinks the scammers are reading this site, and don’t appreciate my revealing their scammy tactics! ;-)

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    This comment was flagged by a moderator because it was off-topic. I am approving it because it is an important observation.

    No one here likes the up and down arrows, either. As soon as I figure out a way to disable them, I will. (Curse you, Disqus 2012!)

  • LeeAnneClark

    And this, folks, is the perfect example of a NON-VICTIM! Good job in recognizing the red flags and running away.

    Apartment rentals are one of the leading types of advance-fee fraud today. It’s so easy for a scammer to post a listing for some random apartment, convince potential tenants that they are dealing with the actual landlord, get the money through wire or bank transfer, and then disappear. In fact there is an entire forum on this type of scam on Scamwarners.

    Good for you! If more people had your kind of “stupid”, scammers would be put out of business.

  • BobChi

    There are some reputable travel businesses that require money to be wired to an account. I have at times done business with them. However, I would certainly learn the company’s reputation first before doing so.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Thanks Christopher. :) I agree the down arrows suck. But I promise you the ones in this article don’t hurt my feelings. I figure they are probably done by Colonel Elijar Kubu from Lagos, Nigeria!

  • TonyA_says

    Actually, their old name was cheapetickets, so Chris is correct.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Let’s be sure we’re using terms consistently:

    “Wiring” money usually means using a company such as Western Union or Money Gram to send money to a person’s name. There are no “accounts” involved, no banks, nothing to trace. You send the money to a person’s name. Any person who presents themselves at any Western Union office with an ID showing that name, and having the MTCN (Money Control Transfer Number), will be handed the cash, and can then walk out of the office and disappear into the wind. There is no way to trace it, no accountability, nothing that can be done.

    There are also “bank transfers”. These are only marginally safer: the person must have been able to open up a bank account. And if the recipient is in the US, or is an actual, verifiable business entity, your money will go into that person’s account and if you don’t get the service paid for, you may have some recourse through the bank.

    But the moment your bank transfer involves an account in a country other than the US, all bets are off. Criminals open bank accounts in other countries using fake IDs all the time. They collect as much money from gullible victims as they can into that account until finally somebody reports the account, and it gets closed down. But here’s the rub: NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE SCAMMER. He’ll just walk away with your cash, and open another account. This happens all the time in countries that are hot-beds for scam activity: Nigeria, Ghana, Benin, the Netherlands, Russia, China.

    Yes, there are legitimate businesses who want you to either wire or bank-transfer money to them, in order to save on the small percentage that credit card companies charge. But unless you know FOR SURE that this is a legitimate business, it’s just not worth the risk. These legitimate businesses will also usually offer other, more protected payment options (e.g. credit cards), and will charge you more. If you want to avoid getting scammed, pay the higher cost to use your credit card.

    Doing otherwise is taking a gamble with your money. But hey, if you want to toss your money over a bridge and hope that it doesn’t go floating off into the wind, go for it! It’s your money.

  • jpp42

    Are these web sites really using Travelport to to provide the interface the flight schedules? Shouldn’t Travelport be able to block them if it’s made aware these are scam sites?

  • Bob M

    This is another case of buy beware, I voted yes as there is nothing to lose by you mediating this case, but it is hard to feel sorry for someone who does not investigate the company before handing over money, especially one that she had never heard of.

  • jpp42

    I live in Australia, and domestic bank transfers (similar to the US “ACH transfer”) are a very common method of payment for large transactions as it saves both parties the credit card fees which can be quite large. Personal cheques have gone out of favour because the bank transfers process overnight instead of several days wait for cheques to clear. I’ve used this to pay for travel before but it was a brick-and-mortal travel agent, part of national chain, and the bank details are pre-printed on their invoice that I got from the office, so it was pretty clear it was legit. The Australia-based system requires not just the account number but the account name to match up, and the bank will only open accounts in official business names. Still not that’s perfect protection, and you do lose the “chargeback” features of the credit card. So it really makes sense only for companies that you’re confident in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    I don’t know what your business is, but I’d be very hesitant to advise any of my clients to do business over the phone or internet unless they can use a credit card.

    And while ACH is infinitely better than Western Union, I wouldn’t advise my clients to use that option if the business is located outside of the US, assuming that’s even an option.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    The truly sad part if the Western Union advises people against wiring money to strangers. I just wired some money to a friend and the warning was all over the paperwork

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    @LGandaB:disqus

    Unfortunately, that’s almost impossible. When you send something via Western Union, it doesn’t go to a specific destination. It goes into the Western Union system and can be picked up anywhere there is a Western Union. The news station would have no way of knowing where the scammers picked up the money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    I agree. I am sorry for this lady, but Chris’ mediation abilities are limited to legitimate businesses. When dealing with criminals Chris is powerless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    Actually, that’s not completely correct. There are several types of wire transfers. There is the Western union private wire which is where the criminals tend to hang out. As you correctly state, be very very careful using that.

    In fact, a client bounced a check and sent me a Western Union to replace the check. The Western union office issued me a Western Union check. The bank manager told me in no uncertain terms he was accepting it only because he knew me and I represented that I knew the client (which I did)

    There is also the bank wire. Bank A “wires” the money to Bank B. This transaction bypasses the ACH system (I believe) and can be used domestically and internationally. This is actually a preferred method of doing large transaction business when the parties are already acquainted with each other. I have clients from Europe and Asia that use this method to pay for my legal services.

    But regardless, if the seller doesn’t take credit cards, I’m not doing business unless we’ve already established a relationship;.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    Alas, you are right. A salesman friend of mine was recruited to sell “a revolutionary solar panel”. Somehow this magic solar panel produces more energy than it takes in. That’s a trick worthy of Dumbledore or Gandalf. Fortunately I dissuaded him. There are scammers all over the place and anything that sounds too good to be true probably is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    There was a scam targeting attorneys with fake cashier’s checks. Some got taken for hundreds of thousands.

  • LeeAnneClark

    LOL fake cashiers checks are seen all the time. Heck, we scambaiters collect them! I’ve got a stack of them. It’s one of the most common ways scammers fool their victims…they can make the checks look so real the victim’s bank doesn’t even know they are fake. The problem is that by the time your bank discovers they ARE fake, you’ve already withdrawn the money from your account and wired it to the scammers. So once again…POOF…the money is gone, and yet another scammer laughs all the way to the Mercedes Benz dealer.

  • Marcin Jeske

    Yes, the website would either have to be a vast global business empire with locations scattered worldwide… or a scam. My spider-sense is screaming scam. (Though I do personally know of some small software companies where principals are located all over the world, coordinate the company via the Internet, and so things like various registrations do end up being in different countries… but they are upfront about it.)

    “I don’t know why the OP had to wire money…it says right on the main page they honor Visa, Paypal and MC.”

    Yes, and everything written on a website is true and accurate. As related above… when you try to make a credit card payment, the software is programmed to say that there is a problem accepting credit card for the moment. If you try Paypal, you get instructions that seem like Paypal instructions until they diverge…

    … that’s not even as sneaky as it gets. They could pretend to process the credit card payment, then say there was an issue (“communicating with your bank”, “verifying the transaction”, etc.). I get that on occasion even on sites I know for certain to be legitimate. Then the scammers have a message that you can either try again later (“and lose that great fare!”) or “for your convenience” offer an alternate payment method, like wiring money to some guy you don’t know.

    The key is to make people think “wiring money” is due to a unusual and temporary circumstance, when it is standard operating procedure to separate you from your money.

    As for always insisting on credit card payments, some banking systems (South Korea, for one) have gotten more strict on foreign transactions, requiring 3dSecure (aka VerifiedByVisa). In Europe, credit card forms will often not ask for home address, a standard cross-check in the US, or be unable to accept a US address with zip code and state. Guess what happens when your attempt to pay a legitimate business by credit card fails because of a mismatch with the way cards are usually run in your home country: try again… or bank transfer.

    Yes, almost no legitimate business will ask for Western Union, but most people do not understand the distinction between the WU services that get abused and bank transfers that are “wired” or go through ACH, especially in the US where bank transfers are unusual beyond Direct Deposit and some monthly bills.

    The lesson is as always, be wary of any unknown business. I once fly an airline out of New York I had never heard of… the ticket price was so good that up to the moment I saw their check-in gate I still had my doubts. But I paid by credit card and checked multiply independent authoritative sources before booking.

  • pplaresilly

    I voted yes to mediate only because, ( I’m ) curious to know how far you will get with this company. They say, you can only teach people a GOOD lesson if you hit them in the POCKET real hard…