Is Hilton HHonors’ “No Blackout Dates” pledge a lie?

Nate Bear has been a Hilton frequent guest for more than a decade, having earned Gold VIP status during hundreds of hotel stays. One of the benefits he likes the most is Hilton’s No Blackout Dates rule that seems pretty straightforward: “If there’s a standard room available at any Hilton Family hotel or resort worldwide, you can redeem points for it. No exceptions, no fine print. It’s that simple.”

But is it really?

“Apparently there are exceptions and fine print,” he told me. “In other words, it’s not that simple, despite the clear wording.”

Bear ran into a problem when he tried to redeem his points for a room at a Homewood Suites by Hilton property.

The HHonors online reservation system said there are no rooms available, and suggested other Hilton family hotels. Because I was curious, I then tried to book a room at that same property, but paying with dollars instead of points.

Surprise! There were standard rooms available — single king bed or twoe queen beds.

Bear phoned HHonors to see if he was missing something. A representative told him that Homewood was an “extended stay hotel” and was exempt from the blackout dates promise.

When I asked him how HHonors could promise “no exceptions” and then make an exception, he said he didn’t know and transferred me to a supervisor.

The supervisor told me the same thing as Nelson – Homewood Suites is exempt.

When I asked her if that was “an exception” to the rule, she said it was not – it was an exemption. I asked her what the difference was, whether it was just semantics and the words meant the same thing, and she said there was a difference. I asked her what the difference was and she just said they are different and then asked me if there was anything she could help me with.

I told her she could help me understand how the “exemption” of Homewood Suites from the “No Blackout Dates” promise was not an exception to that rule; and she could show me where that “exemption” was disclosed. In response, she said she had tried but I was being difficult and refusing to accept what she was saying.

You say exception, I say exemption. Whatever. I contacted Hilton to find out what was going on. Here’s its response:

The Homewood Suites brand, like the rest of our brands, has a no blackout date policy for Hilton HHonors members who are reserving reward stays. The confusion in this case could have come about if the guest tried to book a room that wasn’t a standard room when they went to book the reward stay and then unintentionally selected an upgraded room.

Bear doesn’t buy it.

The policy is what it is – the confusion from my standpoint is the lack of a clear definition for the term “standard room.” The response Hilton gave you focused on the “standard room” but failed to state what that term means – is it related to price or bed-type or # of beds or something else? Is the definition consistent across the various Hilton brands? Is it communicated properly?

Additionally, the response from Hilton does not address what I was told – by two separate people last week – that Homewood Suites is “exempt” from the no blackout rule because it is considered an “extended stay” hotel. To me, this is possibly a bigger concern, because it flies in the face of the simple “no exceptions, no fine print” allure of the no blackouts rule. Either way (i.e., the agents made up the exemption, or the exemption really exists) the lack of clarity is both frustrating and wholly avoidable.

This boils down to Hilton not being 100 percent clear on the rule and what it means. I understand the marketing allure of the simple no blackouts rule, but if the reality of the rule is not as simple as claimed, then the marketing has crossed the line into dishonesty.

The fact that two separate agents gave me an explanation that is entirely different from the explanation Hilton gave you makes me think that this dishonesty is intentional. That, in turn, makes me not like Hilton and makes me regret my loyalty to them.

What do you think? Is Hilton being upfront about its rules, or splitting hairs?

(Photo: gabyu/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Ronda Cantin

    I think if hilton promises no black out dates, with no ands if or buts, then it should deliver no black out dates with no ands if or buts. Like anything else in life.
    If Hilton has the exception, then they need to put it in they’re advertisement, otherwise its false advertising.

  • JS

    I have had consistently poor experiences with Hilton hotels. In my experience, the staff has been generally pushy or downright rude to me! (and I’m a nice guy).

    I’m a loyal Marriott customer, as Marriott folks have been consistently helpful to me. I think it’s a difference in corporate philosophy between Hilton and Marriott.

    Of course, I’m also a big fan of the Hyatt brand and the Mandarin Oriental brand, among others, but those are usually too expensive for me.

    I empathize with the OP and recommend that he consider switching brands. I never had any issue with using my Marriott reward points for hotel stays, on any date, at any Marriott hotel.

    Just my 2 cents.

  • John R. Strohm

    @JS, it may just be the Hilton properties you were visiting. In 2004, while working a short-term systems integration job in El Segundo, I stayed at the Hilton Garden Inn there for four months. I had ZERO problems with them. Since then, when I’ve gone to Los Angeles, I’ve gone back there every time, and had ZERO problems each time.

    On the other hand, while I was in El Segundo that first time, and every time I’ve been back, I noticed that customer service in the area, at least at all the places I went, was uniformly outstanding. It may be that jobs in Los Angeles are hard to come by, and the people who have them *REALLY* want to keep them, and that means delivering REALLY GOOD customer service.

  • Linda

    The ole bait and switch the rules!

  • Thalassa

    I usually love Hilton, and I’m an HHonors member of long standing, but I agree with Bear – this seems intentionally dishonest. Now, if they specified that a hotel room with kitchenette (as Homewoods have) is not, by definition, a standard room, then okay, I can see their point.

    But to argue the difference between “exception” and “exemption” is ridiculous.

  • Carver

    I don’t think that Hilton is being dishonest under current ethical rules of advertising. It is not unusual for a vendor to use a simple slogan to advertise then explain the metes and bounds of the advertisement with the Terms and Conditions. As long as its adequately explained in the faqs, I’m fine. That’s why you need to have base level of sophisication when dealing with advertising. In my mind, fie print is something that is buried on page 25 of the contract that no one is likely to ever find.

    Even Starwood, which traditionally, has the strongest no blackout pledge, has a few quirks. 1)Resorts are Exempted; 2)Only participating properties (95%)are bound by the pledge; 3) award redemption is subject to the same limitations as a cash booking, i.e. if the hotel has a three day minimum this weekend, then you have to book three days whether using points or cash; 4)during times of Extremely High Occupancy(e.g. Superbowl, Rose Bowl, Presidential Inaugaration, etc), the hotels may apply for an exception, thus eliminating award redemption completely.

    Can you imagine trying to incorporate these qualifiers into a quick and easy slogan?

    Incidentally, an exemption and exception are not the same thing. An exemption means that the rule is inapplicable to entire category or class. For example, small businesses are usually exempt from many legal requirements such as health care, civil rights, etc. Whereas, an exception implies a more singular instance.

  • sue

    Wow, I wasn’t even aware that there was a “no blackout dates” policy. I am a Hilton Honors member and I have encountered many occasions in which I couldn’t book a rewards stay but could have booked a non-rewards stay, and I never stay at the Homewoods Suites. I think that they have a broad definition of room availability, which is that if a hotel thinks it can sell out a night, then Hilton lets the hotel take itself off the rewards availability, whether it is actually sold out or not. There are certain hotels that never have rewards availability but I also know are not always sold out. Its never really bothered me, since I earn points for future rewards stays when I pay for the hotel, and I’ve never had problems finding reward stays to use my points with, but I think the hotel is being disingenious advertising this policy.

  • Duke Nukem

    Why would someone support Paris Hilton’s antics? To each his own, I guess…

  • http://cestbeth.wordpress.com Beth

    I’m guessing that an extended stay hotel would offer rooms that are not standard, therefore the “no blackout date” policy wouldn’t apply? LOL At any rate, if Homewood is an exception to the rule, it should be listed clearly as such, and Hilton should rewrite its policy, clarifying the exception(s).

  • George

    @JS: I can’t speak about Marriott, but I’ve been staying in all flavors of Hilton hotels for years, and I have never encountered the rudeness you speak of, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    We all know how the fine print associated with marketing by various companies and services can sometimes cause us headaches, and this is nothing new. But given my experience redeeming award stays, I suspect that this is a case of an individual hotel (they are individually managed by the way, despite their carrying of a Hilton brand) just not following the rules and not wanting to release rooms for an award stay.

    I’m sorry to hear that the OP had so much trouble, but one bad experience hardly justifies the sweeping shift in hotel brands that you suggest.

  • George

    And if the OP has made HH Gold VIP with stays (one can also achieve this through card spend), then I assume the OP has been happy with Hilton for the most part.

  • MeanMeosh

    According to the terms and conditions for hotel rewards, it says: “Reward Stays are not subject to blackout dates or capacity controls. Reward Stays nights apply to standard rooms only, as defined by each hotel and subject to availability.” There’s nothing disclosed anywhere about Homewood Suites being “exempt” from this policy, so if this truly is the story that Hilton is sticking to, then yes, I do think they’re being dishonest, and hiding behind semantics. Now, if the real story is that there weren’t any “standard” rooms available, it is disclosed that the no blackout policy only applies to standard rooms, but I still think they’re being a little sneaky. The definition of a “standard” room appears to be whatever the local hotel deems it to be, which doesn’t really give you a lot to go on when you’re trying to book a reward – not to mention, it gives each hotel a loophole the size of a Mack truck to weasel through. Theoretically, they could claim only 1 or 2 rooms are “standard” and subject to the blackout guarantee.

  • Justin

    When all else fails,

    A nice polite letter stating his “GOLD” status, categorizing how much he has spent, and a nice kind I will now be taking my money elsewhere to higher ups, might dissuade them a bit. Who knows, it’s worth a try. Companies will often pull this crap on “Non Loyal” customers, but when it comes to repeat individuals who spend 10s of thousands on rooms, do you really want to lose that business? If Hilton is dumb enough to say yes, I am sure there are PLENTY of other chains who will welcome him with open arms.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    The solution is simple…Mr. Bear should ask another hotel loyalty program for status and reduce your business with Hilton or stop doing business with Hilton. The next step is for Mr. Bear to write letters to the manager of the Hitlon brand hotels that he stays most often at explaining that he is taking his business eleswhere because of his experience with the ‘no blackout dates’ at Homewood Suites.

    I had a poor experience with Hilton in London in regards to reward travel. They didn’t want to address or remedy the problem so I reduced my business with Hilton from 80 nights a year to 10 nights a year.

    I made Marriott my number choice (earning Platinum status – 75+ nights a year for every year) and they have been very good to me for the past six years.

  • MVFlyer

    Here’s Hilton’s statement off of their website:

    “No Blackout Dates
    Fact: If there’s a standard room available at *any* Hilton Family hotel or resort worldwide, you can redeem points for it. No exceptions, no fine print. It’s that simple.” (emphasis added by me)

    Note to Hilton Hotels: If you really do have exceptions (or exemptions), note them up front, or risk losing customers.

  • Bill Myones

    I booked a room at Homewood Suites in Seattle last year over the telephone after having trouble online. There are two Homewood Suites in Seattle. On of them has suites and regular rooms. I was trying to reserve a suite but it kept telling me there were none available. When I called Hilton the representative explained that there were regular rooms available but if I wanted a suite to book at the other location. I did and we stayed four nights at a lovely place.

  • Ed

    I think that Hilton had an “oh crap” moment and is scrambling to come up with something that can be believable…it seems to me that the Hilton brand of hotels isn’t being run too efficiently
    Ed

  • Erika

    I’m with JS. Some of the worst hotel experiences I have ever endured were at Hilton and Sheraton hotels. Marriott, however, has earned my loyalty by pleasant, helpful staff and confortable rooms. I’ve only ever had one negative experience with Marriott and that was hardly their fault (some folks lit their mattress on fire, which set off the sprinkler system).

  • Bela Fleck

    I think the company was trying to use the word “exemption” to get around the no “exceptions” advertisement. Hence … the made the huge mistake of arguing semantics with an obviously “exceptional” customer. And then when he asked where this was disclosed, the supervisor shut down on him because he was the one being uncooperative? Very nice. This needs to go up the chain to someone in the Hilton home office. This is unacceptable. Go get ‘em Chris!

  • Flazuca Palt

    I’ve run into same exact semantics BS thing numerous times from different companies. In this case it seems particularly completely unacceptable. I can see the loophole being the “as defined by each hotel” in the fine print but when the slogan is “no exceptions, no fine print” well that’s disingenous as heck. And some of the apologists in these comments telling us how bad a person OP is for being displeased and how he should be reasonable and fair to poor old Hilton because well you know everybody lies in ads so he’s being a jerk because he expects the truth and … well some just sound a bit like company flacks. I’ve also had it with these companies that pay people to get online and post false comments as ‘regular joe’s as part of their campaigns against bad PR…

  • Carver

    Before we get too bent out of shape we have to compare Hilton Honors with other programs. Every program has exceptions, exemptions, whatever, even if they advertise a no-blackout program. So why single out Hilton for this when there are so many other crappy things that Hilton does.

  • MeanMeosh

    Carver – because Hilton set itself up for this by claiming to be above the fray. I don’t know how much clearer you can get than “no exceptions, no fine print”. If they were honest and upfront about the “exemptions” in the program, I doubt we’d be having this conversation. And for that matter – I don’t think it’s fair to be splitting hairs between “exceptions” and “exemptions” for the average traveler. Bottom line, it’s a form of fine print, which Hilton by its own advertising claims it doesn’t have. They need to come clean and disclose the “exemption” or whatever they want to call it in the terms and conditions, which as of right now, they’re not doing.

  • Melissa

    I think I may know how this happened. As a frequent traveler with both Hilton and Marriott, I often go to make a reservation at the govt rate and find that the website says no rooms are available at that rate (same applies for reward stays). However, sometimes if I change the bed type, suddenly rooms come up. For me, I have king bed non smoking automatically programmed into my profile, and there’s a little box I have to uncheck so that it will check for rooms that do not fit my profile. I find once I do that, room matches that were not previously available will suddenly come up.

    Does the OP think that may be what happened?

  • larry bradley

    To Duke Nukem, FYI, the Hilton family sold the chain to the Blackstone Group in July of 07 at the real estate market high price of $20.1 billion dollars, so the Paris Hilton comment, as bad as I hate to say it, is void. I think Blackstone is degrading the brand somewhat. They just raised the reward point levels today. They also have a ton of debt to pay off. I just made Diamond Status this year and was checking certain properties for an upcoming stay in Europe and all the hotels that showed no availability for reward redemption now show and Diamond icon and phone number to call to make the booking. My best reward booking by far was for the Hilton Doubletree brand for New Years eve at the Times Square Doubletree Suites. I checked the rate before calling and it was $1,972.00 with taxes for one night. I called the HHonors Gold Desk and told the lady what I wanted and she laughed at me saying the property was sold out months ago. I politely asked her to just check and to her surprise and handicap room was available with points. I promptly booked it.

  • Paulette Baker

    @Carver: You made my morning. “Ethical” and “advertising” in the same sentence!

  • Nobody

    But they give both miles and points at Hilton!
    Not getting a room is a different thing. Works so well the airlines are doing the same with obtaining flights.

    Here lies the frequent traveler
    Stressed out that he couldn’t obtain a free flight/hotel vacation
    Buried with a ton of miles and points
    He couldn’t leave in his will to an heir
    RIP
    Nobody Was Faster

  • Tad

    My wife travels frequently on business; one year she was on the road for 260 days! After two bad experiences at Hilton hotels (e.g. not cleaning the room despite 3 calls), they lost her business forever. Both times it was for poor service and no apology. Unless there is no other hotel in town, she will never stay at a Hilton branded hotel again. We agree with the poster who said that the brand has gone downhill since the sale.

  • http://www.clarksburgtravel.com Geoff

    the point reward system has been flawed since the first freqent air mile was given. I feel sorry for this gentleman, but the entire reward system is flawed!
    I get a 2% cash back and a 5% gas cash back. I like counting 6-7 thousand dollars instead of worrying about redeeming points that don’t tend to exist.
    I can buy a whole lot of air tickets and a whole lot of hotel nights……and I’m not blacked out.

  • ronin

    I’ve been a Diamond HHonors member for years and years and can tell you that, although this is not typical of their no-blackout date policy, neither is it that unusual.

    The policy is a sham, because any specific property, at any specific time, can simply declare itself exempt. It does so by telling HHonors that there is some special this or that going on, period.

    There is no recourse. You can try a Diamond force. You can ask the Diamond Concierge (or what’s left of the true diamond concierge approach) to contact the property directly and ask for a reward room. If the property refuses you are out of luck, period. There is no override, and HHonors will back the property, not the guest.

    So HHonors should properly advertise an Almost No Blackout Date policy.

    And yes, I will still way over qualify for Diamond again this year, but they really should be ashamed of their failed promises.

  • Nobody

    “I get a 2% cash back and a 5% gas cash back. I like counting 6-7 thousand dollars…”–Geoff
    If you’re charging to the tune of $1/4 million/year, I don’t know why you’d be blogging on this site. Or perhaps driving a hybrid would help you accumulate 95% more dollars on gas you need not buy.
    Nobody

  • AWE

    I wonder what their excuse would have been if the OP had earned his status from booking that same room.

  • DN

    I’ve been a Gold or Diamond member for years and with the exception of the Doubletree properties (which to me seems to have gone downhill quickly in terms of how old and dated the properties are), I’ve experienced great service and no problems with booking reward stays. I even managed to book a room at the Las Vegas Hilton during the Consumer Electronics Show (and since it’s the headquarters hotel, it should have been very hard to get) without a problem on the website.

    I will admit that I’ve never booked a reward stay at a Homewood Suites, though I had booked reward stays at Hilton, HGI, Hampton, and Doubletree locations with no problems.

  • Monica

    The simplest solution to the problem Bear faces is a personal letter to the president of the company (Hilton). Generally speaking, anybody who is willing to take the time and effort to communicate with that individual will get a response.

    Who better to clarify the rules? If the President says it is a ‘standard’ room or that the no blackout rules apply, then I would take my letter with me to the hotel and politely ask for my points to be honored.

  • Anna Fisher

    Just wanted to say that Hilton did fine by me! In October, I requested a room for 2 nights in NYC for Wednesday and Thursday-Thanksgiving Day. We could not have been more pleased with our room in Times Square and the Macy’s Parade was a blast! So, kudos to Hilton Honors from me!

  • Carver

    @MeanMeosh

    Except that Hilton doesn’t declare itself above the fray. Starwood has has an almost identical no blackout policy since 2001. Marriott has adopted basically the same policy a few ago. They all use roughly the same slogan and have the same limitations, e.g. standard room, not applicable during special events, etc. I believe Hyatt does as well, but I’m not certain.

    @Ronin

    The hotel doesn’t get to arbitrarily declare a special event and thus be excepted from the rule. Assuming Hilton uses a similiar procedure as Starwood, the hotel has to Petition the chain and be granted the exception. In my experiences, the special event is one what any reasonable person would agree is very special. Some exceptions have included the Rose Bowl., Super Bowl, Obama Inaguaration in DC, etc. This events happen relatively rarely so that it is disengenious to call the policy as sham, given that for any given hotel, its in place nearly every day.

  • N

    As someone whose parents have owned hilton-family properties for years, as well as having worked at hilton properties for years let me clarify some of the non-sense ‘guessing’ that’s gone on in this thread.

    HHonors points can be redeemed for standard rooms. That is correct. Some Homewood Suites have both standard rooms and suites, if those standard rooms are soldout you won’t be able to use points for the suites. If it is an all-suite property, the ‘standard’ room at that property is a suite, so technically you should be able to use points.

    Corporate always takes the side of the guest (unfortunately for the hotel owner). HHonors reservations are made at corporate. When you call them, they want nothing else to be able to honor your request. If they can not, they will not make up an ‘exception’ rule.

    Exemptions: Hotels can apply for exemptions for black-out days under extreme conditions: as stated above these are big events like super bowls. You have to apply for these 6months-year in advance. So at the property, if we are almost sold out tonight, I can not call corporate and black-out tonight. They won’t do it.

    Honestly, people are not perfect and bad experiences can happen at any property whether it be Hilton/Starwood/Marriott. If you stay at a property 50 times a year, something is going to go wrong. If you let those few experiences cause you to change Brands, well, you’ll be changing every couple years.

  • P

    My personal view is that Hilton is dis-honest when advertising with the no black-out period because of the “extreme” conditions exemption. There is no difference between black-out and extreme conditions. Both represent time frames in which you are not entitled to use/book rewards at all. The extreme conditions are not even the sames as “capacity control” where say 2 standard rooms are available. Once they are booked, the other standard rooms are not available. No black-out, which if there is an available standard room would mean just that. If the system shows a standard room available, you should be able to book a reward against that.

    That’s the problem with marketing, they just put the * and put all the exceptions/exemptions in the fine print.

  • Joshua Katt

    Yes, its bait & switch but its happens across all chains, if it makes you feel any better.

    A “big” weekend or nights where almost all rooms are sold out in a geographic area TRUMPS all logic, common sense and program rules as local properties will do whatever it takes to sell rooms at the highest price, points be damned. Sad but true and the definition of what is a standard room provides the room to wiggle!

    I’ve seen Marriott’s throw in a free movie rental and popcorn to a room – and guess what – that room is no longer Standard!

  • Joshua Katt

    ALL chains to this and leave enough ambiguous wording in their “promises” to enable them to weasel out in times of high demand!! And that is what it is, simply, weaseling.

    In this case, Homewood only offers 1 and 2 bedroom “suites”. So their 1BR should be the “standard” but of course everyones definition of standard is going to conveniently be 1 or 2 beds in a SINGLE room. Marriott does this, Starwood too.

    I’ve seen Marriott franchisees play games as well, adding movie tickets, a Mall debit card or breakfast to the room rate and suddenly its no longer “standard”. But available for cash of course!

    Some local property owners have figured this trick out and in periods of high demand, will do this to squeeze every penny out of every last room.

    Low demand, you’ll get the room!

  • C

    Hilton No blackout dates is a lie!
    Along with plenty of other fine print lies.
    Football gameday weekends are an exception to their rule.
    I will be switching to Marriott as soon as possible.

  • Carver

    @C

    You may be interested to know that Marriott and Starwood do the same thing as Hilton so you won’t find anything different at Marriott which also has a no blackout pledge

  • Bob Hill

    Does Hilton stand up for the Honors members? Yes they do based on my experience. Having said that however, The hotel owner ultimately has the last word. I was just denied a room using my points that was available if I had paid cash/credit for the room. Yes they did have a standard room ( it seems the hotel owner decides what that means) but not with a king bed. When I stay at a Hilton property I ALWAYS pay for a king room. So why can’t I get a king room when I try to use my points? I understand that the hotel owner wants to get the most money possible for a room, and if they think they can get another guest to pay more they will not let an Honor’s member have that room. If I always got the least expensive room available when I check into any of their hotels, the policy would seem fair. If a specific hotel (like the Doubletree in Gatlinburg Tennessee) wants more money why don’t they ask for a reasonable upgrade charge. I was looking forward to a few days off relaxing in a nice hotel that was my reward for being loyal to a brand. Unfortunately that won’t be the case, and all of our comments on this issue will not make any difference. I wish my customers would use this type of forum to let me know what I could do strengthen my relationship, and put them in the “expect to retain this customer” column.

  • Marshallparrish

    The exact thing has happened to me today.  I made copies of the standard reservation, the availability on-line of the standard room, and my subsequent booking of the standard rate.  What recoarse do we have for the HILTON Honors group being dishonest??