“I think they’re being needlessly greedy”

Eurostar / Photo by 10 Italia – Flickr Creative Commons
A date on a ticket can be a small but important detail. And no place is that more true than in Europe, where dates have a way of getting reversed.

What do I mean?

Well, we in the States might write Sept. 17 as 9/17/12, right? In Europe, it’s 17-09-12.

But what if you’re traveling on Sept. 8, and the ticket says 8/9 – or wait, is it 9/8?

Oh no! When, exactly, is that ticket for?

That’s the problem Victor Strasburger had with his bullet train tickets from London to Luxembourg. (If you think airline tickets have onerous terms, try the European train.)

“I had an invitation in July to speak at a medical conference. I booked my ticket in advance on Eurostar,” he said. “The conference organizers changed the date I was speaking. I dutifully paid a whole lot of money to buy another ticket on Eurostar — my fault, not theirs.”

But when Strasburger made the switch, he got confused. He paid $784 for tickets on July 6th, but his travel date was on the 8th.

“Eurostar’s online system is not foolproof,” he told me. “You are easily confused.”

By the way, I just tried to make a reservation via the Eurostar site. If you tell the site you’re originating in the UK, here’s the date format.

When he showed up for his train in London, he had to buy new tickets – yet again. In effect, he paid for his tickets three times.

Appeals to Eurostar were unsuccessful. The company blamed his glitch on his home computer and the way in which the tickets printed. Here’s the form letter it sent him.

Print at Home tickets are designed to clearly show the dates of travel so as to avoid confusion.

We are unfortunately not responsible for how your home printed renders these said tickets. If the print out was hard to read this is in no way associated with the quality of the PDF sent.

Furthermore, the non-refundable and non-exchangeable conditions associated with your tickets mean we are unable to offer a refund.

Apologies for not being in a position to assist.

Strasburger is disappointed with Eurostar’s refusal.

“I think they’re being needlessly greedy — even more so than U.S. airlines,” he said. “This was a honest mistake, and even if it weren’t, they should at least allow re-use with a penalty fee.”

I agree, this seems like a needlessly harsh response to an honest mistake. I’m not sure how to handle this case, though. On the one hand, Eurostar’s rules are unambiguous.

On the flip side, anyone could have been confused by the European vs. American date format or the confusing printout (take your pick, but my guess is that it was a date formatting issue.)

Should I ask Eurostar to review this case, or is this going to be an expensive lesson learned for Strasburger?

Update (Sept. 18): I contacted Eurostar and asked about Strasburger’s case. I admit, this was a long shot. Here’s what it said:

It seems that the issue Dr Strasburger and his wife encountered boils down to two key points – the clarity of the journey date when making a booking, and the clarity of information on our tickets. As the confusion was whether the journey was booked for the 6th or 8th of September, I don’t feel that the issue of American vs European date format is relevant, since this would imply some confusion over the month, not day.

With regard to the first key point on the clarity of the journey date when booking, I can see that Dr Strasburger’s booking was made online via our website. Our website uses a pop-up calendar when choosing dates – as you show on your blog – so picking the correct date should be fairly straightforward, regardless of the format to which the person making the booking is accustomed.

During the booking process, both prior to and after payment is made, the date is confirmed several times. An email confirmation is then sent, which again confirms the date of travel and other journey information. It is also displayed on the tickets, which customers are encouraged to check before travel.

Ultimately, the person making the booking has to take responsibility for choosing the correct date, and then communicate any necessary information (such as journey date and time) to those travelling.

Regarding the clarity of information on our tickets, I have attached an example for you. You can see that the various information given is legible, and in the case of any numbers, distinguishable from one to another. It is worth emphasising the point that communicating the correct travel date to Mrs Strasburger was not the responsibility of Eurostar. Providing clear information on our website and tickets certainly is our responsibility, but I feel that we have fulfilled this part of the bargain.

Although I have genuine sympathy for the additional cost which Dr Strasburger has incurred, I hope that the information above makes clear the reasons why we will not be able to offer anything in this case.

  • TonyA_says

    I can assure you the CSR was THINKING to keep his or her job by following company policy. What I think you want to do is for the CSR to use their HEART and give a refund for NONREFUNDABLE tickets. Well, the company does sell FLEXIBLE tickets for that very reason. The customer has the option to buy a NON REFUNDABLE or a CHANGEABLE ticket from the get go. Anyone confused with European style date formats can still understand the difference between those 2 kinds of tickets.

    Finally, I disagree with your use of the word torture. I don’t see where the OP was coerced to anything against his will.

  • TonyA_says

    You do realize that some people have to buy a more expensive ticket (about EUR 30-36 more oneway) because that ticket offers some “refund-ability”.
    SEMI FLEX TICKET:

    Refund Conditions: Refundable before and up
    to two months after departure by paying a fixed 33,00 EUR fee per person
    and per single journey. In case of an unused portion of a reduced
    return ticket the amount refunded is subject to a 33,00 EUR fee charged
    on its inward/outward portion minus the price of a single fare.

    Exchange Conditions: Exchangeable before or
    after departure by paying the difference in price with the next
    available fare in the same or higher class of service, plus a fixed fee
    of 33,00 EUR per person and per single journey.

    Essentially what you are doing by telling Elliott to mediate is that it is ok to REFUND and NONREFUNDABLE ticket because an advocate mediates your case.

  • 1pop

    I last booked with Eurorail a couple of years ago…7 trips covering 6 countries…had to cancel at the VERY last minute(ended up in the hospital), but got my fare refunded because…I purchased “RailProtectionPlan” from Eurorail at $9 a trip…it was right there on the web form…sure glad I learned to read when I was in school, back in the ’40s!

  • TonyA_says
  • Michelle C

    Show me a sold out train and I will change my reply. Has your life been so tough you have never had a lucky break?

  • Michelle C

    What loss? Show me a full train and a willing buyer. Deduct the credit back charge, and 20 dollars in productivity it costs to send an email.

  • TonyA_says

    Go to India or China and you will definitely see MORE THAN sold out trains.:-)
    http://mistupid.com/pictures/images/traincommute.jpg

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    Michelle, would you use this same flimsy excuse with an airline?

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    Right, so would you call an airline and make the same excuse?

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Well, looks like the “yes” votes have it. I’ll be mediating this one.

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    why is the USA living in the past ?
    & why does the USA have neither imperial measuremenst or metric, but something called US gallons, US whatever.
    Get with the programme (correct spelling) or you’ll be left further behind than you are now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    NO, the excuse is silly. The mediation is simply that the OP screwed up and ultimately ended up with three tickets for one butt.

    The point of mediation is not to shame the travel provider but rather get the attention of someone empowered to say yes. The op by himself is likely to only get a CSR without discretion or power.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    Of course its OK to refund a nonrefundable ticket. That’s Eurostar’s prerogative. Its also their prerogative to say no. All I want is for someone with decision making authority to review this case to see if it merits an exception, waiver, courtesy, or simply, a what-a-dummy, let’s-cut-him-a-break.

  • jportzer

    What, you expect us to keep track of what day it is?? ;-)

  • TonyA_says

    many here, including me, find his reason for asking a refund very weak. good luck to him.

  • jportzer

    I work for an international company and I require my staff and colleagues to use a format like that (or D MMMM YYYY, meaning the full month name, 17 September 2012). Any ambiguous format – that is, one that doesn’t spell out the month name to show which part is the month – is not allowed in any internal or external document. I think that’s the best way to resolve this issue. But most Americans have to be reminded of this many many times before they get it.

  • TonyA_says

    I wholeheartedly agree. I have made a lot of mistakes fat fingering dates. But I blame myself and not the calendar or date format. I should check my work better.

  • http://twitter.com/GlennAHarper Glenn Harper

    Seriously. If this is the “best” case you can find to mediate then you must be suffering a shortage of “real” cases. The complaint makes no sense – 7/6 vs. 7/8 has nothing to do with date format as has been pointed out, and seems to have other unexplained disconnects. Seems to me like a whining consumer who doesn’t want to take responsibility for his own actions – choosing the wrong date and booking a non-refundable ticket – presumably to save a few bucks. Clearly not a sensible decision considering the date had already changed once.

    Taking cases like this sends the wrong message to everyone and simply reinforces the negative American stereotypes that exist in the rest of the world. What’s he going to do next? Sue them for causing him anguish?
    He made a mistake, simple as that, his fault, not theirs – suck it up, or at least be honest about it. Isn’t that a lesson we learn as kids?It seems his appeal to Eurostar was a whiny “it’s not my fault, it’s yours” that got the short shrift it deserved. He wasn’t prepared to admit he made a mistake and ask for help (as another reader admitted he does in similar situations) and now he expects you to do it for him – move on, you’re not his mother.

  • sdir1

    I think Eurostar might have been more compassionate if Stasburger was honest about the mistake and accepted full responsibility for his error. Instead, he approached Eurostar by telling them their website is needlessly confusing and therefore he should get a refund. Not a good idea to make accusations when you’re asking for a favor. Besides, good customer service does not automatically mean giving the customer their way.

  • Ann Lamoy

    Chris-the website wasn’t confusing. He accidentally booked a ticket for the 6th but his travel date was the 8th. 7/8/12 or 8/7/12 cannot be confused visually with 6/7/12 and 7/6/12.

    Chances are, he was in a hurry when he found out his speaking engagement date had been changed. When he got to the terminal and found out his ticket was no good because it was for two days prior, he was understandably upset that he had to purchase a third ticket. But it was his error-not Eurostar’s. Had he noticed right away when he paid for the ticket he had made that error, I would be more sympathetic and I bet Eurostar would have been as well.

    Plain and simple-he needs to take responsibility for his error. If he paid for all three tickets, perhaps he can ask the organizers of the conference for a refund of one of the tickets since they changed the dates on him. But to ask Eurostar to pay for his error? Nope.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    If you read my earlier post, I called his reason “silly”. I just want him to get a fair shot, even if the ultimate answer is tough luck.

  • JohnKeahey

    Of course you can ask Eurostar to review and perhaps, although not likely, it may give him a break. Reality: the customer screwed up for all the reasons your responders below have pointed out. But it never hurts to ask. Last week, I made a non-refundable reservation for a Paris hotel near the airport because I was scheduled for an overnight layover. Then, four days before, a family emergency caused me to leave much earlier, and there was no layover, hence no need for the non-refundable room. I sent a cancellation notice, explained the problem, and, with no expectations, asked for mercy. Surprisingly, they took mercy and gave me a full refund on a non-refundable reservation. You can ask for anything you want in this world, and it is up to the other person/company to say yes or no.

  • Bill___A

    I just looked up on Eurostar’s site and there’s a calendar that pops up when you choose the date. Regardless of the format on the ticket, it appears the selection process is quite universal. I have purchased tickets on this site before and not had a problem.
    Americans need to learn that most of the world doesn’t work in feet and inches, pounds, backwards date formats, and celsius. They also put the days in different places (ends in Sunday not Saturday) on the pop up calendars, so be careful about that too.
    “use a professional travel agent” haha..then you can at least blame it on them if it is wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/donna.caruso.37 Donna Caruso

    I didn’t read where Mr. Strasburger told Eurostar their website is confusing. He stated this to Chris, “I think they’re being needlessly greedy — even more so than U.S.
    airlines,” he said. “This was a honest mistake, and even if it weren’t,
    they should at least allow re-use with a penalty fee.” Sounds like he’s taken responsibility but still is sore about paying out 3x as much. Which I don’t blame him. Expensive lesson learned.

  • bodega3

    Something isn’t right with this. You can’t book a ticket to Luxembourg on the Eurostar site. Is this letter for real?

  • flutiefan

    wait, so he got 8/7/2012 confused with 7/6/2012? those aren’t even the same numbers? if it was 7/8/2012 vs 8/7/2012 then i’d have a little sympathy. but having the 6th as one of the numbers just blows his credibility. methinks it was a mis-click (on his part) and now he wants the company to cover it.

  • Michelle C

    yes