How long should I really expect to wait for an airline ticket refund?

Two to three billing cycles. That’s the formula answer you’ll get from a travel company when you ask how long your refund will take. But the formula doesn’t always work.

Two to three credit card billing cycles can mean up to four months, depending on how your credit card cycles. Sometimes it can take a year to process an airline ticket refund. Here’s a case where it took two years.

The Transportation Department says you should get your money back within seven days, but there’s a huge loophole.

Payment by credit card provides certain protections under federal credit laws. When a refund is due, the airline must forward a credit to your card company within seven business days after receiving a complete refund application. If you paid by credit card for a refundable fare and you have trouble getting a refund that you are due, report this in writing to your credit card company.

In other words, the ticket must be refundable. Almost none of the tickets bought by leisure travelers today are refundable, so this rule is meaningless.

Let’s have a look at an actual example. Bert Wortel bought tickets to fly from Orlando to Rome on three different carriers last October through Orbitz.

Then Orbitz informed me of a change which would result in missing a flight in Frankfurt. Since no other connections were available that day, they suggested a refund to be issued within two credit card billing cycles. Now 90 days later, still no refund.

I’ve contacted Orbitz many times with no results as to a refund, although they admit it should have been issued.

That’s way more than 90 days. That’s more than eight months.

In a situation like this, Orbitz — or any other travel agency, for that matter — is stuck between a rock and a hard place. It can’t refund the money until it’s paid by the airlines. But on a ticket that involves multiple carriers, securing a speedy refund is close to impossible.

Does the company ask you to wait, and risk upsetting the customer? Or does it refund the money and then pursue the airlines for the refund?

From a customer’s point of view, the answer is simple: Since I paid Orbitz, it should refund the money.

But I can see both sides of this issue.

When it comes to an extended delay like the one Wortel experienced, it’s often useful to bring the matter to someone’s attention at a higher level within the company. I recommended he send a brief, polite e-mail to Steve Sedlak, the director of customer relations at Orbitz. Sedlak has an outstanding track record of fixing customer-service problems.

Mr. Sedlak answered me within two hours and promised a resolution within three days. I was contacted in two days with a refund and an additional $60 coupon on a new reservation.

Now I would call this customer service. Mr. Sedlak was very cooperative taking the time to answer my e-mails.

No one should have to wait eight months for a refund. Orbitz did the right thing by expediting Wortel’s case.

But the real problem is the issue of sluggish refunds for airline tickets. I believe if the Transportation Department removed the “refundable” loophole from its rule, we the American taxpayer would be better served. Don’t you?

  • Renae

    The refunds I get from Southwest are creditied to my account within seven days.
    There has never been a problem.
    The refunds through 3rd parties? Keep waiting…………….

  • http://blog.flightwisdom.com Flight Wisdom Guru

    The ins and outs of airline billing is not our area of expertise, but from what we’ve learned, travel agencies such as Orbitz are perfectly capable of processing refunds through their system.

    We do know a few things, however. The multiple airlines aspect of your post is inaccurate. The monetary exchange is between the carrier whose ticket stock the ticket was issued on. That carrier pays the other airlines on the ticket.

    The agency is reluctant to refund tickets because they fear debit memos. Generally, as we understand it, passenger pays agency, who issues tickets on their account with the airline. That account is paid by the agency to the airline. So, there is not a direct transfer of funds from the passenger to the airline if purchased through a third-party.

    A debit memo would be the airline charging the agency for something the agency did wrong, ie refunding a nonrefundable ticket, or miscalculating the additional collection on a reissue. Agencies tend to try to get the airline to reissue or refund tickets directly to avoid this. Of course, many travel agencies, including the large ones, such as Orbitz, try to get the airline to do any work past the initial issuance of the ticket, despite the fact, as travel agencies, they are not only equipped to do such things, but it is expected of them.

    The agency should not fear a debit in the case described, as most airlines have a provision that a schedule change of sufficient magnitude, certainly one causing a misconnection, on a refundable ticket automatically entitles the passenger to a full refund. But, agencies, even in this circumstances, want the airline to process the change, or issue a waiver code to the agencies to ensure they won’t be penalized, slowing down the process.

    The final issue, on both the airline and agency end is manpower. Organizations set up automated systems to expedite the issuance of tickets. Most often, refunds must be processed by a human being, and precious resources are not wasted on giving away money, as opposed to taking it in. At Orbitz, the agents you generally speak to are not the ones who process tickets, we gathered they have a department to handle ticket reissues and refunds that is separate.

    Why Mr. Wortel’s refund was not processed, in our opinion, is Orbitz not devoting the resources to it. After several calls to them, Orbitz should have, if exercising good customer service, prioritized his refund for immediate processing…the squeaky wheel should get the grease.

  • Joe Farrell

    If you get a refund agreed upon, make sure you have the refund approval in writing and then IMMEDIATELY dispute the charge on your credit card. You did pay with a credit card, right? If you wait 2-3 billing cycles you might loose your right to dispute the charge. IMMEDIATELY dispute it – you’ll get the provisional refund posted immediately.

  • Stephen

    Sorry Chris, but I see no reason for Orbitz to hold off on a refund until they get refunded by the airline. How they handle billing and payments to and from their vendors is not my concern. Taken to the extreme, here’s an example from a non-travel point of view:

    Buy a laptop at Best Buy, and it’s DOA. Return it for a refund. Do I have to wait for Best Buy to get paid back from HP? What if the problem is a faulty disk drive? Do I then have to wait for HP to get paid back by the disk maker, then wait for HP to pay back Best But before I get refunded? But wait, the problem with the disk drive was with one of the chips on the controller. Do I now have to wait for the chip maker to refund to the disk maker to refund to HP to refund to Best Buy before I get my money back?

    There is a reason that refunds take so long to process, and it’s not because of billing cycles or credit card processors. It’s because the vendor who is responsible for the refund hangs on to it for as long as it can do so – legally or illegally – in order to make the most off of our money.

    Isn’t it funny how companies like Southwest can process a refund and I see it on my card in a matter of days, yet others take months? Does Southwest have a special system for processing refunds? You betcha. The system is that they process the refund, rather than holding onto it for dear life like a lot of unethical companies out there

  • http://Travel-Writers-Exchange.com Travel-Writers-Exchange.com

    Renae, that’s great that Southwest gave you a refund. I thought all tickets were non-refundable. I never flew Southwest, may be I’ll give them a try. So far I haven’t had a reason to ask for a refund. I guess that’s why some people recommend taking out insurance, I guess it depends on your circumstances.

  • Josh

    I’m not sure they can weasel out with that “refundable” wording:

    1) The actual requirement doesn’t use that word — it says “When a refund is due…”. Pretty clearly, when the airline changes the schedule in a way that’s unacceptable to the customer, a refund is due; Orbitz and the airline confirmed that by promising a refund. So the 7-day requirement applies; the “contact your credit card company” part is just a suggestion of how to enforce it, not a limit on your rights to only that case.

    2) I’d argue that while the original ticket wasn’t a “refundable” ticket, once a refund is due because of the airline breaking their side of the agreement, it is certainly “refundable” — just using basic English, if something is able to be refunded, it is refundable.

    I agree with others that it’s best to get confirmation of the pending refund, then contact your card company and dispute the charge. There’s absolutely no reason a credit card refund can’t be processed immediately; I just returned some products to a big box store, and the next day saw the credit online. Let Orbitz and the airline be responsible for their systems…

  • Ames

    Joe Farrell makes a very good point about rights with a credit card. I am starting a dispute about unauthorized charges on a MasterCard and since I contacted the firm and requested a refund, I cannot dispute the charge with the bank until the firm has 30 days in which to issue the refund. But I must start the dispute within 60 days of the statement on which the charge first appears. It should not be hard to do but I find life has a way of adjusting my schedule for doing some things so this must sit on the top of my to do pile.

  • Joe Mosman

    But on a ticket that involves multiple carriers, securing a speedy refund is close to impossible.

    The number of carriers has nothing to do with it. Only one airline got the money for the ticket. That’s the “validating carrier”, usually the first international carrier. None of the other airlines gets a penny until the passenger actually travels.

  • Bill

    I had to get refunds from Air Canada last fall due to hurricane damage in Houston. They processed it within a few days. No problems at all.

  • DianeZ

    Living this nightmare now. After my husband was deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, we’ve been fighting to recoup our money for cancelled Lufthansa tickets. It’s craziness how inefficient this is — customer service simply does not exist!

  • Erin

    I just went through this. I talked to Expedia and Airtran multiple times. Both companies claiming it was the other that owed me the money. I was determined to get my money back before I had to pay any interest on it. Airtran cancelled all my flights and they should be especially quick to refund in situations like that. After 2 weeks and about 8 phone calls later I told Expedia that I was going to dispute the charges with Visa and the refund hit my account 5 minutes later. Companies do not want you to dispute charges, makes them look bad. Just threaten to dispute and you will see your money!

  • Heather

    Diane,

    Did you ever recoup your monies from Lufthansa? I booked two tickets and my mother has to have necessary surgery at the time we are supposed to fly. We cancelled the flights but they only refunded taxes and fees. We are trying to get the rest of the money refunded but it is not looking very good. I don’t even see how this is possible? It is is stealing in my opinion and very unethical. We also cancelled over a month in advance?

    Please let me know any of your advice as how to proceed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nichole-Delta-Hasani/100000443288928 Nichole Delta Hasani

    I’ve booked through Expedia and they send an email saying the airline will refund not them when it got cancelled. That may be the new policy now.