Hey Delta, how about a refund on those outrageous ticket change fees?

A few years ago, we were flying from London to Vienna with our then 13-month old son. Still exhausted from jetlag and maybe a little forgetful, we showed up for the flight 24 hours before our scheduled departure.

But one look at our entourage (the toddler, diaper bags, and the dark rings under the parents’ eyes) must have made the ticket agent feel sorry for us. She booked us on the next flight to Austria without charging any change fees.

She could have asked us to pay extra. She probably should have.

But when to bend a rule? Ehud Snir wants to know — more to the point, he thinks his case qualifies for an exception — and wants to know if I agree.

I don’t know if I do. Maybe you can help me figure it out.

Snir and his wife were returning to Minneapolis from Tel Aviv on Delta Air Lines a few months ago, and like me, they go their dates confused.

“We arrived to the airport one day later than our scheduled travel,” he says.

He continues,

We were shocked at the amount of administrative service charges/fees we were charged. It came to a total of $500.

We flew “stand-by” and were able to fly from Tel Aviv to New York, and then on to our final destination Minneapolis.

Clearly, there were empty seats on the planes we flew, so there wasn’t much of a disturbance to the airlines in accommodating us. In fact, there were at least six passengers in the same situation as we were and there was room for all of us!

We do not argue the fact of our mistake, nor the need for the airline to charge some sort of fee to re-arrange our flights. Our complaint has to do with what we feel was an excessive amount of fees.

Here’s how Delta responded to their written request to refund the fees:

We understand that our passengers face unique situations. However, we have reviewed your concern and determined that the Administrative Service Charge that you paid to change your ticket was correct.

In order to maintain consistency and be fair to all the passengers who travel with us, we need to adhere to the rules that govern the ticket that has been purchased.

Thus said, we respectfully decline your request for a refund.

In this case, a fee applies even if the decision to cancel or change planned travel is due to an illness or other circumstance that was unknown at the time the ticket was purchased or is beyond a customer’s control.

Wrong answer, says Snir.

“This must happen to many people,” he says. “Aren’t folks outraged at the excessive fees?”

Yes, they are. I remember a time when you could get these surcharges waived just for asking. That was a long time ago. Today, airlines rely on these administrative fees to meet their unmeetable profit goals.

But who’s to says the ticket agent who handled Snir’s rebooking wasn’t compassionate — after all, Delta might have charged the couple for two new one-way walk-up fares. Technically, weren’t they “no shows”?

A case might have been made to zero out the rest of the fees, but I’m not sure if it’s something they should expect.

I certainly didn’t when we showed up a day early for our flight to Vienna. Even though the year was 2003, I knew that the carrier (it was British Airways) could have charged us for the reticketing. I was ready. And when it looked the other way and let us on the plane, I was beyond grateful for the help.

I’m reluctant to ask Delta to refund its administrative fees. The Snirs paid a steep price for missing their flight. But Delta was well within its rights to charge them.

Or was it?

  • flutiefan

    at the airport level, it’s not very much paperwork. it’s a PITA and it does generate reports that have to go to headquarters, the accountants, and the revenue yield management departments. but us airport agents don’t see the bulk of the work that has to be done (even after we’ve done the work of making the changes…. which depending on itineraries, can take quite a bit of time).

  • flutiefan

     you’re 100% right about revenue and punitive. and about the Spirit fees… it is $35 if you do it online.  and really, who doesn’t know right before they leave the house whether or not they have a carry-on? the $100 is just to catch the jerks who are trying to bypass the system and get away with something.

    (and to anyone who is about to moan about that practice? if you don’t like/agree with the Spirit model, that’s fine. don’t fly with Spirit.)

  • Joe_D_Messina


    Still exhausted from jetlag and maybe a little forgetful, we showed up for the flight 24 hours before our scheduled departure.”

    He also never says anything about how willing they were regarding the fees, only that the agent took pity on them and didn’t charge them any.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sally-Allen/1611873792 Sally Allen

     Absolutely beautiful!  Congratulations!

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Way to go! She’s so cute.

  • commentfromme

    You are all so arrogant. Pay attention. The plane was leaving with EMPTY SEATS. It was Thanksgiving weekend. It was the earlier connecting flight that I did not book because of not leaving enough time to clear customs. Same airline. The busiest travel weekend of the year. It lacks common sense to refuse to allow us to board. And John I did not have baggage so you are not paying attention. Shocking to enforce rules? Yes shocking! How does any human being determine the amount of time to leave between flights. How do we predict delays and breakdowns, and fast customs. To fly a plane with empty seats, especially on a holiday weekend, while the customer is standing in front of the gate from a connecting flight lacks any business sense. All it takes is punching a button. Give it up. What difference does the class of service matter when the plane is leaving with empty seats? Ridiculous.

  • commentfromme

    If an airline does not have a class of service available then how does that class of service suddenly appear just because a passenger pays a change fee? Is there a seat, or isnt there a seat? And they never looked up my class of service btw….they only asked for the fee in order to allow the change. Slam dunk- just pay the money to get on the plane. Airline blackmail. Pay up or wait.

  • bodega3

    Yes attack us when we are just trying to explain to you how SOME tickets are handled.  You see one thing, the computer tells the agents another thing and the rules of the fare a third.  With an award ticket, you already had a confirmed reservation, no award seating was available to move to you so just because you think it makes sense doesn’t necessarily apply here.  I don’t make the rules, but I have to follow them on my end, so I get it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

    It’s not ‘pay up or wait’. It’s ‘you get what you pay for’. Not difficult to understand.
    And also, paying a change fee typically means that your ticket gets rebooked into another fare class, not a class magically opening up.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

    Most US airlines do allow you to switch to or standby for flights within 24 hours or on the same day (same-day change) for a lot less than the change fee, often $50 or so.

  • bodega3

    Thanks.  Someone I know use to be a CTO agent and talked about the paper work they had to do each day so I wasn’t sure how airport counters do things.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

     Unless your prices were insanely high, you would get someone buying all the cheap seats on a flight, then reselling them on third-party websites or by shouting right in front of the ticket counter on the day of the flight. Is that what you would want?

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    What an idiot.

    Some airlines would have said (nicely). You’re a moron, you missed your flight, your old ticket is now worthless, now pay full fare !!!

    People try this on all the time. Airlines are basically a loss making venture no more.

    You buy a seat on a certain time/date don’t miss it.

    In the case of people arriving early, the airline might determine that the flight they were actually booked on, was overbooked, so good to get people moving, instead of a headache next day.

  • http://lipglossandabackpack.wordpress.com/ LGandaB

    A few years ago I had a string of bad luck around international flights.  One, on Mexicana, was (in my opinion) the airline’s flight.  There was code share chaos.  I went to the correct check-in counter and was turned away, and told to go to the other airline’s counter.  I went to the other airline’s counter and waited so long that check-in for the flight had closed… at the original counter!  Mexicana charged me for a new ticket to my connecting airport (where I missed the flight, by the way, and had to wait for a later one again!).  The other one was totally my fault.  I was very young and only taken one trans-Atlantic flight (to the place where I was when this happened).  My parents also were not experienced travelers.  My mom booked my flight home and told me all of the information over the phone.  I showed up at the airport three hours early to check in, but the agents couldn’t even find a record of the flight I was supposed to be on!  As it would turn out my mom hadn’t realized that Milan had three airports, and I hadn’t bothered to ask which one it was, and I was at the wrong airport.  Fortunately, I was so early that they got me on a connection to Frankfurt so that I could get back across the Atlantic on time as well.  Also, the people working at check-in were just really nice, and calm, and friendly.  That was Lufthansa.  It’s been many years and many flights since then, but I’m off to Europe on the weekend and guess which airline I’ll be taking?  :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

    “All it takes is punching a button.” – wrong again. Try reading some of the other posts here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

     Did some posts disappear here or something?

  • commentfromme

    I am not attacking YOU. But YOU ARE backing the stupidity of your company. You are still thinking that they looked in the computer to determine if an award ticket was available. They did not. It did not go that far. They stated that a change would cost. So if the plane is flying with empty seats, shouldnt the airlines make the seat available? I am NOT attacking YOU. YOU are following corporate rules to keep your job. I am discussing the Corporation…the Airline, for making YOU follow ridiculous rules that are horrendous to the customer…the passenger. It is an industry that treats its customers like dirt. It is an industry that lacks common sense. What other business could get away with this disdain for the paying customer?

  • TonyA_says

     Please understand, the penalty fee is there to support the difference between a DISCOUNTED fare and a REGULAR (LESS RESTRICTED) fare. If it was so cheap to change, then less business folks need to buy those Y-M-B class tickets.

  • TonyA_says

    That would be hard to do with Transpacific and Transatlantic international flights. I do have several clients who miss those 1255AM flights of Asiana, Korean and Cathay at JFK. They arrive the next day. So far the desk agents have been very helpful to reaccommodate. But that is not possible during Xmas season.

  • flutiefan

     i’m not arrogant. i’m sorry that you think it all makes perfect sense to allow people to take whatever flight they want despite what flight they’ve booked and purchased, but the people who are paid to make such revenue yield management decisions would beg to differ.

  • flutiefan

    oh our end-of-day reports can be quite lengthy, when all is said and done!

  • flutiefan

    you’re 100% right!!! especially during holidays!

  • mikegun

    I think that happened here…looks like DL leaves TLV at 12:40am. 

  • TonyA_says

    even those very over-worked airport jobs are hard to find nowadays. maybe any job is hard to find today. protect your job at all costs!

  • mikegun

    It looks like some posts have jumped around. I can’t even find one on a topic from the other day.

  • TonyA_says

    How much is the diaper change fee ?:-)
    Hey she’s so cute. How much does she weigh, Dad?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

     So we should reward people who don’t follow the rules then?

  • bodega3

    I don’t work for an airline.  I am a travel consultant who has to follow the rules of the carrier and has a better understanding than you on how fares work. How many other businesses do you tell how to do their job?  In travel, everyone THINKS they know better.  You aren’t mentioning the carrier 

  • Sadie_Cee

    I voted against mediation.

    As far as I can see, the OP was very fortunate to have been asked to pay a mere $500.  I don’t want to be unduly harsh, but we have to take responsibility for our mistakes.  Showing up 24 hours late was a mistake.  Whose fault was it?  It certainly was not the airline’s fault. 

  • Raven_Altosk

    LOL!

    Thanks :D
    8lbs, 11oz…Big girl!!!

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thanks!

  • flutiefan

     i believe Bodega is a travel agent, not an airline employee, so he/she is NOT “backing the stupidity of [their] company”.

  • Raven_Altosk

    :D

  • Raven_Altosk

    Oh yes, she certainly does!

  • Raven_Altosk

    It was hard to snark after seeing her…still is!

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thanks!

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thank you! :)

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thank you! I’ll try to keep up the snark…but the cuteness around me is making it tough!

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thankfully, she looks like her mom! :D

  • Raven_Altosk

    :D

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thanks!

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thanks :) She’s practicing her snark!

  • Chris_In_NC

    Yikes! Don’t you think you are being a bit irrational? You booked a ticket, and got reservations on a specific flight. The airline delivered. Now you’re angry at the airline because you’re not special enough that a gate agent doesn’t want to bend the rules?

    You got what you paid for. Why is it so many people feel that they are entitled to more than what they paid for? Frankly, with the attitude that you demonstrated in your post,I wouldn’t be surprised if the gate agent quoted you a change fee solely because of your attitude at the gate.

  • Chris_In_NC

     … and not to mention that if a gate agent “breaks the rules” one too many times, he/she may be subject to disciplinary action.

  • Michelle C

    Feb 2010, not this year. 

  • TonyA_says

    that’s cheap for BKK nowadays.

  • TonyA_says

    was it friday night?

  • TonyA_says

    Here is where I think the disconnect is – the airline never promised you nor did it suggest that if you arrived early for your connection that it will even try to accommodate you on an earlier flight. In fact they don’t want to do it. The agent does not get paid more for more work. The whole system is setup to work on a fixed schedule and changes are usually associated with trouble. You don’t work for or with airlines so you don’t see it their way. It’s profit maximization they are after, not your pleasure.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Yes, but let’s look at the larger picture. It’d be better for the airline to handle things how the commentfromme wanted in this case because it’d give them more time to sell the open seats. That might not fit into the realities of the system in place, but all things being equal it’d be in their best interests and in the ideal world they’d do it that way.

    It’s not the traveler’s fault they don’t understand the inner workings of the airline policies, and while they’ve been a bit abrasive in presenting their case, many of the replies to them have been “tail wags the dog” answers about the policies in place which completely miss the point since they’re basically trying to show how the policies weren’t logical in this case. And on that point, they are undoubtedly correct.

  • commentfromme

    You are so very right. They dont want to . It is a business that fails to care about the customer. No other business can get away with that arrogance. I dont think I should be special. I think the airlines should treat all their customers with sensible courtesy. No I was not angry and I demonstrated zero attitude. Another wrong assumption. I asked, nicely, I was turned away and I left. I never show any attitude at the airlines. It is dangerous to show attitude. And yes i am a travel agent and I am familiar with everything everyone said. I stand by my opinion that the airlines are abusing power. No I am not irrational. It is irrational to fly a plane with empty seats while the traveler is turned away. You have all gotten accustomed to wretched service and abuse of power by an industry, and you been lulled into thinking it is rational company behavior. It is not.