Hey Delta, how about a refund on those outrageous ticket change fees?

A few years ago, we were flying from London to Vienna with our then 13-month old son. Still exhausted from jetlag and maybe a little forgetful, we showed up for the flight 24 hours before our scheduled departure.

But one look at our entourage (the toddler, diaper bags, and the dark rings under the parents’ eyes) must have made the ticket agent feel sorry for us. She booked us on the next flight to Austria without charging any change fees.

She could have asked us to pay extra. She probably should have.

But when to bend a rule? Ehud Snir wants to know — more to the point, he thinks his case qualifies for an exception — and wants to know if I agree.

I don’t know if I do. Maybe you can help me figure it out.

Snir and his wife were returning to Minneapolis from Tel Aviv on Delta Air Lines a few months ago, and like me, they go their dates confused.

“We arrived to the airport one day later than our scheduled travel,” he says.

He continues,

We were shocked at the amount of administrative service charges/fees we were charged. It came to a total of $500.

We flew “stand-by” and were able to fly from Tel Aviv to New York, and then on to our final destination Minneapolis.

Clearly, there were empty seats on the planes we flew, so there wasn’t much of a disturbance to the airlines in accommodating us. In fact, there were at least six passengers in the same situation as we were and there was room for all of us!

We do not argue the fact of our mistake, nor the need for the airline to charge some sort of fee to re-arrange our flights. Our complaint has to do with what we feel was an excessive amount of fees.

Here’s how Delta responded to their written request to refund the fees:

We understand that our passengers face unique situations. However, we have reviewed your concern and determined that the Administrative Service Charge that you paid to change your ticket was correct.

In order to maintain consistency and be fair to all the passengers who travel with us, we need to adhere to the rules that govern the ticket that has been purchased.

Thus said, we respectfully decline your request for a refund.

In this case, a fee applies even if the decision to cancel or change planned travel is due to an illness or other circumstance that was unknown at the time the ticket was purchased or is beyond a customer’s control.

Wrong answer, says Snir.

“This must happen to many people,” he says. “Aren’t folks outraged at the excessive fees?”

Yes, they are. I remember a time when you could get these surcharges waived just for asking. That was a long time ago. Today, airlines rely on these administrative fees to meet their unmeetable profit goals.

But who’s to says the ticket agent who handled Snir’s rebooking wasn’t compassionate — after all, Delta might have charged the couple for two new one-way walk-up fares. Technically, weren’t they “no shows”?

A case might have been made to zero out the rest of the fees, but I’m not sure if it’s something they should expect.

I certainly didn’t when we showed up a day early for our flight to Vienna. Even though the year was 2003, I knew that the carrier (it was British Airways) could have charged us for the reticketing. I was ready. And when it looked the other way and let us on the plane, I was beyond grateful for the help.

I’m reluctant to ask Delta to refund its administrative fees. The Snirs paid a steep price for missing their flight. But Delta was well within its rights to charge them.

Or was it?

  • commentfromme

    US air connecting in Charlotte returning fron Cancun.

  • commentfromme

    “whatever” flight ? – No….a connecting flight that is leaving now to the final destination and the other flight coming in a bit early and allowing the passengers to clear customs earlier. Good for everyone. Keep everyone moving on Thanksgiving weekend. But NO……

  • commentfromme

    Reward for not following rules? Huh? every rule was properly followed. Book flights. Took carry on. Left time between connections. Arrived early, cleared customs, ready to move on to home if possible. Holding round trip ticket for that day. Empty seats. What rules were not followed? The only rule not followed was the one that required more money to get on the departing flight with empty seats.

  • commentfromme

    Irrational? Not at all? The airlines rules are irrational. Entitled to more than I paid for ? No ….just enttitled to be treated as a human being when I travel, but the airlines disagree with that premise. The prefer to treat me as a ” profit Maximizaton number” and not as a customer.

  • Ann Lamoy

    She is absolutely beautiful.

    And if you can’t keep up the snark due to lack of sleep, we forgive you in advance. :D Because that cutie is worth it.

  • MeanMeosh

    Agree with all of the comments above, and for that matter, trying to go with the minimum “legal” connection on an international itinerary is a roll of the dice these days.  I was traveling with my sister from Chennai, India back to DFW through Amsterdam and Detroit many years ago.  In AMS, our flight to DTW was late departing due to a delay in loading cargo, then we were further delayed enroute due to strong headwinds.  We ended up being about an hour and 15 minutes late.  Everyone who had booked the “legal” connection misconnected (mind you, this was New Year’s Eve, so not exactly a slow time of year).  We had booked a 3 1/2 hour connection, and made it comfortably to our connecting gate.  These days, with planes as full as they are, good luck getting reaccommodated any time soon if you miss that connection over a holiday because of a delay and then having to get through customs.

    Now, I do think the whole thing of charging for same-day standby is dumb, but that’s another issue altogether…

  • Dave_Z

    Yup. That’s why I earlier said that it ultimately depends if someone – the airline in this case – feels they can afford to do so, despite whatever short-term material loss they might experience after.

  • Dave_Z

    You’re right. I recall all my Delta-saved cases having that same factor of not having checked in yet.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4DMVW6EDML54CXFQMZHZCZ7WEY EmilyE

     How is not getting more than you paid for not being treated as a human being?

  • commentfromme

    Not allowing an earlier connecting flight, when there are open seats, to a ticket holding round trip passenger, unless a passenger forks over additional money as a standard change fee, treats the customer as less than a human being. It demonstrates that the airlines hold their customers in disregard. I am entitled to feel that the airlines treat their passengers like cattle. Their policy circumvents common sense, especially on a Thanksgiving weekend, when suddenly a backup can occur and they could have had passengers stranded everywhere. I have seen that movie before. They should move people to the destination when they hold a ticket and there are empty seats. That is how I feel.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4DMVW6EDML54CXFQMZHZCZ7WEY EmilyE

    “It demonstrates that the airlines hold their customers in disregard.”
    No, it demonstrates that they follow their rules and policies consistently. You are entitled to feel whatever you want about the airlines, but if you get exactly what you paid for (a seat on your original flight), you don’t really have grounds for complaint unless agents were being rude to you or the like.

  • commentfromme

    You are missing my point entirely. The rules are not passenger friendly. They dont operate like a company that has to please the paying customer.I am commenting on the Rules, not on the fact that they follow the rules. Yah. And I am not complaining…I am commenting.

  • bodega3

    You are a TA?  Then you learned something on this trip to pass on to your clients….I learned the same lesson a couple of summers ago, too.  Just because you have a ticket doesn’t mean you get to board any other flight than the one you are booked on.

  • Dave_Z

    How much does it really cost to hit some keys on a computer 2 months in advance

    If someone reasonably and plausibly explained why, would that make you feel even a bit better or more understanding?

  • wiseword

    I’d like to be sympathetic, but–a day late?  And not even an excuse such as stranded, hospitalized, whatever?  At $250 each, I don’t think it’s so bad.

  • Lindabator

    You are correct – this is a no-show, and he is lucky they even were flexible enough to change this ticket with only a change fee!

  • Lindabator

    Then you assume the risk – and a “no-show” ticket as in this case – he’s LUCKY they didn’t charge more than just a change fee!

  • Lindabator

    And we really DON’T know if it didn’t cost the airlines – they may not have filled those seats, and so lost the money on that 1st flight.  He is just LUCKY it only cost him $500 for HIS MISTAKE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Thompson/100001256177580 John Thompson

    Last week I booked a flight using my Dad’s Skymiles on Delta to fly my brother out to meet us for a family trip.  I read the confirmation email in horror as I had booked his return four days earlier that what we had planned.  I picked up the phone, called Delta and spoke to a very nice lady.  The web site wanted to charge me a $150 change fee within 15 minutes of buying the original ticket. I told her I could not ask Dad to pay it or my brother, that it was my mistake and it would cost me $150 for being a good son.  She spoke with her supervisor, changed the ticket to the correct date, and thanked me for choosing Delta, all at no charge!

    Man, was I relieved.

  • commentfromme

    I can still have a personal opinion that the airline policies are horrendous.

  • alf1052

    Culture, culture,culture. We have all been Stockholmed into  thinking the airlines deserve their extorianary fees. They do not. Just what is the cost for changing a flight? Close to nothing is my guess. Hotels, for the most part, allow 24 hour free cancellations because competition demands they do. The airlines are nothing but thieves and the public, as usual, joins in its own rip off. Did you know, since the congresspeople have been paid off by this industry , that you can not sue an airline in a state court. It’s reserved to the Federal courts. Which makes filing a real and expensive hassle. No small claims courts for these bullies. Come on folks, wake up. It’s stupid to defile ones self.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

     If competition demanded that airlines have no/lower change fees, then that’s what would happen. The airline business is very different from the hotel business, and much more complicated, so it’s not useful to compare the two.
    Also, as consumers, we’ve demanded that airline tickets be as cheap as possible, even if they are inflexible or have high fees, so it really does come down to our culture looking at the initial price over everything else.

  • Arturo de Novo

    Good try, but no cigar. Your statement flies in the face of a market economy. Only an oligopoly like the airlines could get away with this kind of price fixing. Another factor, brought on in my view, is the god awful management of the airlines. They are as bureaucratic and calcified as any govt. bureaucracy. Sadly as long as we suffer woth the Stockholm syndrome the apologists will encourage more of th same treatment

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     You can actually sue an airline in small claims court

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Isn’t that what consolidators effectively do?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     +1000

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

     The reason that airlines are an oligopoly is because running an airline is extremely expensive and complicated – no way around that. Anyone _can_ start an airline to compete, but the barriers to entry are extremely high, which other airlines had/have to overcome as well.
    I’m not encouraging this treatment, just saying that it’s perfectly fair for an airline to do so. Don’t like it? Then buy a flexible ticket, fly another airline, or don’t fly at all. You have plenty of choice.

  • bodega3

    No, not a all.  They have contracts with various carriers to sell a certain amount of seats on their flights and in return they get net, bulk or a high commission. 

  • Arturo de Novo

    Your excuse, complicated, for running a business poorly won’t hold up for my business. How about yours? My problem is that the airlines , like many others, have stacked the deck. Yet so many of us keep coming up with inane excuses  to free them from blame. OK, no accounting for taste. I like to speak up about being stolen from. Others obviously don’t mind.

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    Arthur L. Finn, Los Angeles

  • Arturo de Novo

    No you can’t!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWIDK73REHGADBHYLCUC3FBV7Y Bob

    Good thing that you run your business and the airlines run theirs then, right?
    If you’re saying that they’ve stacked the deck by charging what they want, then fine. They certainly have, because what they want to charge for anything is their business. Of course they are (mostly) responsible for their fees and policies, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with them charging what they want other than you not liking them.

  • bodega3

    Yes you can.

  • bodega3

    It isn’t just the cost of the change, it is to get people to commit and make it hurt when they have to change.  If you ever have tried to put something together for a group of people, it is a PITA and if there is a fee involved, people stick to their plans better.  The airlines never use to charge, but people flake out now more than ever, so I get why they do it.  I charge a fee for canceling, too.

  • Lindabator

    They KNOW it is award travel by the CLASS OF SERVICE it is booked in.  These folks are trying to educate you, and you are listening as well to them as you did to the airline attendant.  You were lucky they offered to overlook the class of service and would change it for ONLY the fee – as they didn’t have to offer it at all.  ESPECIALLY on Holidays, as those classes of service are LONG GONE by then.

  • Lindabator

    And YOU have no way of knowing if they had crew members to board, were carrying extra cargo, or were heavy on fuel – things NO ONE is going to tell you – making exceptions isn’t always a benefit to both parties, so you got what YOU paid for – deal with it!

  • Lindabator

    And they are not required to kiss your….. – that is really NOT customer service.  And since you DO NOT understand how an airline works, and when others here who clearly DO try to explain, you still feel entitled to what you weren’t.  You got what you paid for – you aren’t entitled to more just because you no longer felt like waiting for your flight to leave. 

  • Lindabator

    If you are a TA – SHAME ON YOU!!!!  You, more than ANYONE, would understand the rules and regulations on a ticket, especially a RESTRICTED one such as this – WOW!!!!!!!

  • Lindabator

    Apples to oranges babe.  We’re not talking about the FAA notifications, the changes to the manifest, the changes to the overall pricing onboard (they need to figure that VERY carefully, as only a couple seats throws a flight for profit to loss).  I worked for an airline, and you obviously only worked on computers.  We’re not talking about a Big Mac order here, we’re talking about Federal Government oversights, etc.  So not just a few keystrokes.  The change fees are put in place for the express purpose of prohibiting carte blanche changes of all the ticketed passengers onboard (in which case – NO FLIGHT is going to be profitable)

  • Lindabator

    And you’d be out of business in no time.

  • Lindabator

    True – its everything BEHIND the scenes that costs.  :)

  • Lindabator

    Thank you – hotels don’t have the government oversight the airlines do – and EVERY  change gets scrutinized by the FAA.  Comparing any other travel service really doesn’t make sense, as they have no such restrictions or limitations.

  • Lindabator

    So we’ll just have a government agency standing over your shoulder and watching every move you make, and taking legally binding penalties from you when you make what they feel is a “mistake”  Yeah – that’s what airlines deal with every day – believe me when I say you CANNOT compare their business model to any other one out there