Enterprise’s Van Horn: Vehicle damage recovery is “not a profit center”

Roger Van Horn is the vice president for corporate loss control at Enterprise Holdings, which owns Enterprise, National and Alamo. Since I’ve received a lot of recent questions about car rental damage claims — many from Enterprise customers — I wanted to ask him a few questions about what happens when a car is dinged or scratched.

How is the rental process supposed to work, in terms of inspecting a vehicle for pre-existing damages?

We conduct a pre-rental vehicle inspection, which includes cleaning, refueling, necessary maintenance and damage review, for all of our brands. Our Enterprise Rent-A-Car service model involves employee interaction with every customer during the vehicle selection process. This allows us to make a physical inspection with our customer – before a rental car is driven off the lot.

Our Alamo Rent A Car and National Car Rental service models don’t involve employee interaction unless questions arise, so cars are not inspected in the presence of customers at the commencement of the rental. Because accidents are an unfortunate fact of life, some of our Alamo and National customers do personally inspect rental cars for additional peace of mind and to provide them a clear understanding of the overall condition of the vehicle from the start of the rental period.

Regardless of brand, it is our normal practice to inspect the vehicle upon return with the customer present.

How do you define “wear and tear” and is there ever a time when a customer would be held responsible for “wear and tear?”

Because major damage is almost always very obvious, the vast majority of questions concerning claims revolve around smaller damage that some might mistakenly consider “wear and tear.” We do not hold customers responsible for everyday “wear and tear,” including minor dings, scuffs, chips or windshield “stars.” However, some consumers might have a much broader definition of what they would consider “wear and tear” on their personal car – including smaller dents, cracked windshields, scratches and other minor damage.

Our definition of damage may be more precise because car rental customers typically expect and often demand undamaged vehicles. Furthermore, the majority of our cars are sold within a year or so, and what some customers might otherwise consider “minor” damage has a direct impact on the sales price and our overall ability to market the vehicle. That being said, less than two percent of our rental transactions involve vehicle damage.

Most renters feel that any damage claim should start with an acknowledgment of damage. Is that practical?

Generally, customers are present when a damaged vehicle is returned, and acknowledgement is routinely obtained. However, it’s not always practical for customers to be present when the agent inspects the vehicle. They may drop off a vehicle after hours or at a location other than the rental office or circumstances may not permit them to wait for the agent to inspect the vehicle. In those cases, we inspect the vehicle as soon as possible and follow up with the customer if any damage is discovered. It is important to understand that the rental transaction is not complete until the vehicle has been inspected.

If an employee signs off on a car after a customer returns it, does that mean the customer is free and clear?

If our employees inspect the vehicle and finalize the transaction with the customer present, then any readily apparent damage discovered at a later time is our responsibility. However, there are times when damage is not readily observable during the return process and only discovered when the vehicle is driven or later inspected. In those instances, a renter may be contacted to determine how the damage might have occurred. A claim may be made when available evidence suggests the damage occurred while the renter had possession of the vehicle.

What documents do car rental customers receive when there’s a damage claim?

Customers receive an itemized bill, including a repair invoice, an estimate, or an independent appraisal. Whenever possible, labor, paint, parts and other costs, such as towing, are calculated to reflect high-volume discounts that we receive as a car rental company. This competitive price, in turn, is passed along to customers and if the actual repairs are completed for less, we refund any difference.

Charges for “loss of use,” “diminishment of value” and an administrative fee are itemized and calculated as set forth in our current rental contract:

“Loss of use” is based on the total number of labor hours from the repair estimate, divided by four (which is a conservative estimate of labor hours that can be incorporated into each work day) and then multiplied by the daily rental rate. If a vehicle is stolen and not recovered, or if the car is deemed only salvage, the “loss of use” charge is calculated at 15 days.

“Diminishment of value” is calculated at a fixed rate – 10 percent of the repair estimate. The fee is zero if damages are less than $500.

Administrative fees are assessed as follows: a $50 fee if the repair estimate is greater than $100 and less than $500, a $100 fee if the estimate is $500 to $1,499, and a $150 fee if the estimate is greater than $1,500. In addition, renters are responsible for impound fees and other related charges.

Can you briefly describe the appeals process for damage claims?

A customer’s first opportunity to express concern about a damage claim is during the return process if he or she is present. When customers are not present, the rental location will document the damage and then forward a report to our Damage Recovery Unit office, which processes damage claims on behalf of our regional subsidiaries and all three car rental brands.

The rental location or the Damage Recovery Unit office then contacts the renter about damages as soon as possible. Likewise, it is helpful for customers to communicate as soon as possible with our Damage Recovery Unit office if they have any questions. We look into each situation carefully and thoroughly, and certainly will carefully review any documentation provided by the customer.

Are all unpaid claims forwarded to a collection agency?

On rare occasions, if we reach an impasse with a customer, we refer a claim to an outside collection agency for further handling – but only as a last resort. We prefer to work with our customers directly so that they are comfortable with the process and continue to do business with us.

Any time a customer is concerned, he or she should immediately contact us. We will do everything we can to properly investigate and resolve the claim as quickly as possible. Keep in mind that very few rental transactions result in damage, and less than one percent of claims result in customers disputing their responsibility. The vast majority of disputed claims are resolved to the customer’s satisfaction. Our employees, both in the branches and in the DRU office, are focused on getting the facts right and maintaining a customer’s long-term loyalty.

What’s the most common misperception about the damage claims process?

Most rental vehicles are valued at $15,000 to $20,000, or more. Yet sometimes customers mistakenly believe if they didn’t personally cause or witness any damage – for example, a “hit-and-run” incident in a parking lot – that they are not responsible. This is one of the most common misconceptions about rental vehicle damage. In fact, customers are financially responsible for any damage or theft that occurs during a rental transaction, regardless of fault or negligence – just as if they owned the rental vehicle themselves.

One other commonly-held belief about claims is that they’re a source of profit to a car rental company. True or false?

Our Damage Recovery Unit office does not operate as a profit center, and we try to be very conscientious about properly assigning all related costs associated with vehicle damage claims. It is important to note that no rental or Damage Recovery Unit employees are compensated for identifying, assigning or collecting on damaged vehicle claims.

  • Liz

    I recently rented a car through Enterprise for 30 days. When I picked up the car, they told me that they only record scratches longer than 5 inches and dents larger than a golfball.

    The 2nd day I had the car I noticed that the windshield was chipping (invisible from the outside as the dash was black). I called them immediately and they told me the chip was already recorded from a previous user and I was in the clear.

    That does beg a question – if the damage is already in a file somewhere, why not tell me before the rental so I don’t freak out? All told though, it was a very positive experience and Enterprise really lived up to their customer service promises.

  • LeeAnne

    Sorry, but I’m not buying one bit of this. What a bunch of poppycock doublespeak.

    Especially this part:

    “If our employees inspect the vehicle and finalize the transaction with the customer present, then any readily apparent damage discovered at a later time is our responsibility. However, there are times when damage is not readily observable during the return process and only discovered when the vehicle is driven or later inspected. In those instances, a renter may be contacted to determine how the damage might have occurred. A claim may be made when available evidence suggests the damage occurred while the renter had possession of the vehicle.”

    This whole paragraph is designed to give the agency license to come back to the customer to pay for damages – with no proof that they caused it. Sorry, but once the employee signs off on it, and the customer leaves, THAT IS IT! The company should never, at that point, go back to a customer to pay for damages. End of story. If the employee doesn’t see it, too bad. Give your employees better training.

    I might have found this entire interview more believable, if it wasn’t for that one paragraph. Sorry, Mr. Van Horn, but by opening up that door for making fraudulent claims, you made your overall strategy clear. And it’s not ensuring that you’re “very conscientious about properly assigning all related costs associated with vehicle damage claims”.

    I will continue to take digital photos of my rental cars both before and after I rent them to avoid these damage-claim scams.

  • Plat flyer

    This statement is troubling:

    “A claim may be made when available evidence suggests the damage occurred while the renter had possession of the vehicle.”

    What evidence can they supply that would uphold when the event happened? It’ll come down to their word vs mine and I have a feeling I lose every time.

  • barbie45

    What did you really think he would say. He is full of baloney.

  • MVFlyer

    While this sounds good, I agree with the other posters that it leaves too much to the rental car employees to determine when the damage allegedly occurred. With pressure to get cars out (a car sitting on the lot makes no money), I bet it could be several days before real damage is found and accounted for. And giving the repair bill to the customer is also potentially bogus: a handshake between the body shop and rental company could be going on (this happens with insurance companies too–the “real” cost vs. the cost we’re going to charge you), so the customer may be paying inflated repair bills.

    Add to this poor employee training (although I have to admit the Enterprise employees are well-trained, National and Alamo less so), franchising (where the franchisee doesn’t have the same interests of the franchisor at heart–customer service isn’t necessarily their primary goal), and international agencies (where the rules are different, whether they should be or not) it’s hard to believe everything Mr. Van Horn says. He may be earnest in his assessment, but like all execs at big companies, he really doesn’t know what’s truly going on at a local level.

  • Joe Farrell

    Gee, if damage can be hidden and only visible after an inspection – then how do we know when it happened if they do not ‘inspect’ the units [trust me - they are units to be sold, not cars - I worked there once for 6 hours] after every rental? Does that mean that a renter needs to insist on a full maintenance inspection before renting the unit to make sure there is no ‘hidden’ damage that only an inspection can uncover?

    Loss of use is labor rate divided by 4? What kind of proof is that? Thats a made up number – as is ‘diminution of value’ – that has NO relationship to the loss of value of the vehicle.

    NONE of this would stand up in court- if you or I loaned our car to someone and they damaged it – and we showed up with these cockamamie numbers not a court in the nation would allow us to make up damages.

    All this interview does is instruct us all to refuse to pay for anything unless detailed and proven. If we do not acknowledge the damage – refuse to pay and let them sue you. In California and many other states, if the contact you sign has an attorneys fee clause running in favor of the company [which Enterprise does] then it runs in your favor as well – if they sue you and do not win – they get to pay your attorneys fees as well . . .

  • Mike Z

    @LeeAnn, I also read that paragraph and yes, it is designed to allow the company to backtrack on it’s claim.

    One thing that i would like to point out is that for the loss of use the rental company should have to show that the car would have otherwise been rented. There is no way the company rents out 100% of their cars every day, so a chipped windshield could easily be done when the car is not taken that day. (and what daily rate do they go by? The published max price one, or the weekend rate of $25 a day?)

    Last, how is the administrative charges not a profit center? Charges between $50 and $150 for having an estimate done and a vehicle repaired? In either case the agent should be doing the same work and the company would only be paying one invoice. The only difference to the rental company is the amount of time the car is out of circulation, and even then, some easily fixed damage can run a grand easy. So basically the company wants to bill me $100 for getting a repair estimate???

  • Ed

    Of course he would say that it’s not a profit center. He certainly wouldn’t say that it was, even if it really *WAS* a profit center.
    The only way to prove his statement is with a financial statement from an approved third party accounting firm.
    And besides…what does a VP know about what actually goes on in a big company like that anyway? He’s so high up on the food chain, he has no idea what goes on in the trenches. Have him work a week at a busy airport rental counter and *THEN* let him make that statement!

  • Les

    To phrase it politely …. balderdash!

    “A claim may be made when available evidence suggests the damage occurred while the renter had possession of the vehicle.”

    Such vague wording as “available evidence suggests” would not prevail in court nor should it in this situation. Like others, I’ll continue to photograph my rentals and be prepared to fight this kind of hijacking.

  • KathyJ

    “One other commonly-held belief about claims is that they’re a source of profit to a car rental company. True or false?”

    “Our Damage Recovery Unit office does not operate as a profit center…”

    Van Horn didn’t say “it’s not a source of profit” (which is what he was asked). He said it “does not operate as a profit center.” If the DRU office was costing more to run than it brought in, do you suppose they would keep it open?

    I agree with other posters that the statements here do not match up to real customers’ experience.

  • Mo

    After reading all this I decided not to rent from them for the next 12 month. I will reconsider them after reviewing the complains in this blog and on the internet. Last month I rented from a different company only because all the comments on this blog and yes, I took pictures before and after.

  • Mark K

    They charge you for 15 days of loss of use if the car is stolen or otherwise unrecoverable? I or my insurance will already be paying them the full retail value for the vehicle, this extra charge is ridiculous. The part about paying a higher administrative fee for a higher repair bill is also idiotic. It doesn’t cost any more to administrate a repair just because the repair costs more.

    If they actually repair a vehicle after it is damaged, there is no diminishment of value. However, if they simply charge you for minor dents and never repair the vehicle before selling it (which I am sure happens when the vehicles are near the end of their rental life at every rental company) then the value is diminished. But it is not the renter’s fault it was not repaired.

    With all these extra fees and charges, it is impossible that the damage recovery unit does not make a profit for the company. Unless the real number of damage claims is so low that they spend most of their time playing cards and surfing the internet, it is just not possible. If the rental company simply absorbed the cost of minor damages like they used to, think of how much salary they could save by not having that group of employees.

    At least you got someone to lay out the details for us so we know how bad we will get screwed when the time comes.

  • Rich

    “It is important to note that no rental or Damage Recovery Unit employees are compensated for identifying, assigning or collecting on damaged vehicle claims.”
    What about the front-line employees?

  • LeeAnne

    I’ll bet Roger Van Horn is pretty darn sorry he did this interview. Frankly, he should be fired for opening his mouth and confirming every bad thing we already thought was true.

    @Mark K – excellent points about their bogus “administrative” charges, especially about charging a higher administrative fee for a higher-cost repair. What twisted logic they are using to scam more money out of us. I’d love to hear their justification for that. What…does it take more time to type the longer number? What a load of BS.

    @Barbie – just wanted to say – WOW! Two articles in a row in which we are in total agreement! Will wonders never cease! This is a banner day on the Elliott blog. ;-D

  • Jesse

    The following is interesting, I guess ERAC has to go and buy another car in order to replace the salvaged car, however, ERAC and most other rental companies manage cars by the fleet so this is interesting!

    “If a vehicle is stolen and not recovered, or if the car is deemed only salvage, the “loss of use” charge is calculated at 15 days.”

  • Lark

    Ok. Would someone tell me who I should rent a car from the next time I am in need of one? Is there a better company? Also, how should I inspect & take pictures of the car pre rental if it is night time?

  • Rocky

    Having recently been through a personal accident repair,
    there’s some real sticker shock if you go in for repair so I
    can believe they basically just recover costs plus a little more
    for damage repair.
    But their closely allied CDW is a real cash cow, preying on
    peoples fears of the damage repair. CDW must be at least
    10x what reasonable insurance would. I wish there were
    legislation to regulate CDW like insurance or make it
    mandatory and automatic on every rental.

  • stephen – nyc

    @Lark, I can’t tell you which company is better or worse when it comes to renting a car. But I would suggest ensuring your camera’s flash function is working. Be sure to take pictures at various angles to ensure that the flash doesn’t bounce-back and give you a starburst instead of a real photo. Open the hood and trunk to confirm all is copacetic in those locations. If you really want to bring out your inner Cecil B. Demille, then use a video camera so you can record the entire process (and again ensure your light source is working). Sometimes just the act of taking photos or videos will convey the appropriate message that they won’t be able to pull a fast one on you. Also, ensure EXIF info is accurate, especially the date/time. And finally, you might to take a photo of the employee who hands you the keys and is doing the initial walk-about with you.
    The whole point of the exercise to prevent you from being saddled with damage that was preexisting.

  • Lark

    @stephen, Thanks. Nice to get some helpfull info about what to do to fix some of these problems instead of all the people who bloviate about their feelings.

  • Chief

    What you you expect…..It’s not your car, if you don’t want to be reponsible for the rental i guess the next best option is walking…

  • DAN

    not for profit, then please describe the “adminstrative fees”

  • Steve

    While I may not fully agree with everything said, the majority of the posted comments are pretty one sided and naive. Have you looked at you’re phone or cable bill fees? Any clue what fees you’re your Geico’s and Allstate’s are charging you? Even auto insurance policies have admin and other fees. Out of all of the rental companies I have rented from, Enterprise and National still have the best service and are pretty straight forward. Can’t really say the same for some others.

  • jan

    Administrative fees are to pay for the person digging through the process that makes sense to me.

  • Ginger Smith

    When another driver backed into my National Rental car, police were called to the scene, I reported it immediately to National, turned in police report stating the other driver was at fault and that both he and I had State Farm Insurance. A week later I contacted insurance company and National to make sure all had pertinent information. Three weeks later, I called to see that if the issue was resolved. National said they had no information other than my name. The next day I received a letter stating that I am responsible and owe them $1400. What a poorly run operation! Please have Roger Van Horn contact me.

  • Johnevans7

    “Our Damage Recovery Unit office does not operate as a profit center”.

    But you can bet it doesn’t operate at a loss. 

  • Raghu kancharla

    Sam,

    I recently Rented a car from ERC.Unfortunately, some one had hit my car and run away.When i am returning car, they did generated accideantal report, but not yet received any claims.I called them soo many times to make repair faster, but they are delaying.Even a local auto shop can do simimlar work in 2 HRs.These guys are taking more than 2 weeks.On top of it they will charge for 2 weeks, since the fleet is not in service.It is a perfect example od “Ripping off customer” and “source of profit”.I will never hire car from Enterprise again and I will suggest others also do the same.

  • nick

    I work for enterprise and we get nothing for finding damage that would be avis

  • nick

    I work for enterprise and we get nothing for finding damage that would be avis