Do kids belong on an overnight flight?

All Ed Lawrence wanted was a little rest.

He was on an overnight flight from San Francisco to Boston, which offered him six hours of sleep, at best. And he figured everyone else would want some peace and quiet on what’s traditionally called the “red eye” flight.

He was wrong.

Two toddlers seated near to him decided it was playtime, and their rookie parents and other passengers indulged the young passengers. Lawrence, a frequent flier who works for a technology firm in the Boston area, didn’t sleep a wink.

“I wonder if kids should be on a red-eye flight,” he says.

His question comes at an interesting time. It seems two airlines agree with him, at least partially.

Malaysia Airlines this summer introduced a no-kids section some aircraft flying between Kuala Lumpur and London. And another Malaysian airline, AirAsia X, announced it would create a “quiet zone” in the first eight rows of the economy section of some aircraft starting early next year. Both moves seem designed to let passengers sleep on overnight flights.

Some parents might argue — and I might be inclined to agree with them — that a red-eye flight is the perfect place for young kids. As long as they sleep. I’ve made many cross-country flights with my three kids when they were younger, and I preferred the overnight flight because there was a reasonably good chance we’d all get some rest.

But my kids slept, and when they didn’t, they behaved. The ones Lawrence flew with did neither.

“It was a disaster,” he says.

Lawrence paid an additional $79 for an aisle seat with extra legroom. He sat next to dad, in the middle seat, and one of the toddlers, seated in the widow seat for takeoff and landing. Mom was a few rows back with the second child.

“During the the first couple of hours they had to get up a few times to see mommy or to go to the restroom,” he says. “Sometimes mommy came and stood right next to me. The parents passed the kids over me a few times.”

Meanwhile, Lawrence was beyond exhausted. He’d been up since 6 a.m. that day, had put in a full day of work, and just wanted a few hours of shut-eye before he landed.

“Finally, around four hours into the six-hour flight both kids start screaming non-stop,” he says.

Lawrence turned to the father.

“I want to try to get some sleep,” he told him.

“What do you want me to do?” Dad replied.

“Your problem shouldn’t be my problem,” said an agitated Lawrence.

Other passengers were unsympathetic to Lawrence. One of them suggested he was the real whiner, which made a bad situation even worse.

I feel for both Lawrence and the father, who was probably equally sleep-deprived.

But the experience raises some interesting questions: Are there passengers that should either be denied boarding or limited to certain flights? Who has more rights on a flight — the crying baby or the tired passenger?

I don’t know how to answer either of those questions. They may be unanswerable.

Lawrence says his flight was one of those times. “There clearly was no solution to a bad situation,” he told me.

Unfortunately, crewmembers often must mediate passenger disputes like this, and they shouldn’t have to do that. The rules should be clear, and everyone should understand them.

Obviously, some families with young kids don’t belong on an overnight flight. But how am I supposed to know it’s my family?

  • http://twitter.com/jayne52 Jayne Bailey Holland

    By the way- I didn’t know he had a sip cup, I just wanted to recline. His kicking was actually playing a song along with his ipad song, and the back of my seat was the base. I do have a kid, – and I traveled the world with him, and as a formr flight attendant, I actually know a few things about traveling children. First- you as a parent have to pay attention to them! If you travel with children, you cant throw yourself into a book and hope for the best.

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    Good on you, Artemisia. If I see the parent trying at least, this goes a long way. But if I see children who totally ignore parents or are rude, guess what? This isn’t a flying problem. It’s a possible sign that parents are too lax with their children in regular life and haven’t taught them respect.

  • BMG4ME

    They can be on an overnight flight, but in first class with their parents, where we belong, leaving the complainers to languish where they belong, in coach. Anyone who needs to be at their best the the next day doesn’t take a red eye from coast to coast. You really think that you can be at your best after 4 hours of sleep – which is what you get by the time you’ve settled in and eat then the meal if you are in first class? The only chance you get of a decent night’s sleep is when you fly 10 hours or more. Fly during the day and get some work done, and enjoy going to bed three hours earlier.. Many airlines even allow you to stay connected with inflight internet these days.

  • technomage1

    You seriously don’t mind being next to a screaming child for hours on end? I find that hard to believe, no matter what the time of the flight. There is a limit to tolerable public behavior.

  • technomage1

    There are a variety of reasons why people chose an aisle seat, yours is no worse than anyone else’s (in fact it’s better since you were trying to avoid having anyone else get up for your problem). No matter what the time of the flight, kids screaming for hours is no fun.

  • BMG4ME

    Yes I do, however as a parent myself I have a little more understanding. Having said that, I have heard babies crying with the parents appearing to make no effort to calm them down, and that puzzles me when I see that happen.

  • Andrew F

    Two examples. First, my daughter, then 2 y.o., 10-hour flight JFK-Moscow. When the plane landed, we put her up on the seat… and the passengers behind her were amazed to find out that a small child was in front of them all that time. Second, our friends, same flight, two twins, same age. Screamed half the flight. Parents did all they could. I can clearly see the exasperated father asking an equally exasperated neighbor, “What do you want me to do?”
    Ban kids? But how are they supposed to see their grandparents, who are sick and can’t stand long flights (visa issues aside)?
    Put all kids in the same section of the plane? Right. One finicky baby will wake the remaining 15. Do you really want that? REALLY?
    A seat in coach inherently bears the risk of being exposed to this sort of situation. It’s nobody’s fault. Get ear plugs. Don’t plan on working after a red-eye. Pay someone to change seats. In the case of the OP, he should’ve just changed seats with the mom. Maybe the airline would’ve reimbursed him for the premium seat; maybe he would’ve gotten a voucher; maybe — just a few more hours of sleep. Confronting the father wasn’t productive at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/randy.smith.3762584 Randy Smith

    As my ex-lover used to say (he was a travel agent) to clients: “Do you want to sit in First Class or with children?”. It never ceases to amaze me how the majority of children of the last 20 years are spoiled and without manners. The majority of the people of my age (62) grew up with manners and common sense. Now those who didn’t are having (or have had) kids themselves and all hell breaks loose if I dare to suggest that little Timmy or little Susie are misbehaving. Spare the rod and spoil the child is certainly true. It’s way past time for parents to be responsible for thier offspring. And if that means they all have to stay home or drive in their own car instead of ruining the flight for everyone else on board, so be it. I can take only so many valium to deal with your brats.

  • B

    I have a toddler and have taken many international overnight flights with her as a baby and as a toddler. Flying with her always gives me a lot of anxiety. I prepare for every situation. I even prepare to bribe her. Bribing a child is not my parenting style but I understand that in certain situations it has to happen for the sake of the other people without children. All of the flights have gone well except for one. My daughter was crying the entire flight. I tried everything. Milk, bouncing, cartoons, blankets, etc. I did not know what was causing the freak out and I felt everyone was watching and judging. Blaming my parenting, etc. At one point I took my daughter into the bathroom and cried because I felt so bad for disturbing everyone. When I came out the flight attendant gave me the best advise. She said that if the people want to judge me they will have to get over it. She said that this was a public airbus and they booked their ticket knowing there would be all kinds of people on the flight including kids. She said that if they had a problem with children on a flight than they should have booked a private charter. After the flight my daughter slept and slept. Then she started to wheeze. What I found out is that my daughter had the beginnings of pneumonia and that was the reason for all of the crying. So be careful when you are quick to judge someone. Also remember that life just doesn’t revolve around you and have some empathy for others. Because at some point in your life you may be asking someone to have empathy for you.

  • http://www.theearlyairway.com/ The Early Air Way

    Well kids can’t avoid overnight flights if they don’t have any other option for traveling.