Do I deserve a refund for a closed pool?

The pool on the NCL Sky / Photo courtesy of Judith Pearlstein
As a silver-level Latitude program member, Judith Pearlstein counts herself among NCL’s top customers. So when her Presidents’s Day weekend cruise to the Bahamas didn’t go as planned, she expected the company to step up and make things right.

It hasn’t — at least not yet. She’s hoping I can nudge it into action.

I’m not sure what to do.

At the center of Pearlstein’s grievance is a pool; a closed pool, to be exact.

For two out of four days, the pool on the NCL Sky was closed. NCL tried to minimize the impact to passengers by waiting until the ship was in port in Nassau, but that didn’t make any difference to Pearlstein and her family of six, because they decided to stay on board.

She feels the work was unnecessary.

“It consisted of sanding a bench,” she recalls. “It was routine.”

The Sky has another pool, but it’s only for adults and doesn’t have any handicapped access — both of which Pearlstein and her family required.

She says the closure was arbitrary and unfair.

“It was unnecessary and mindless, with little thought given to the passengers,” she told me.

Pearlstein spoke with a manager about the closure, and received an apology and a total of $100 in room credits — $50 to each cabin. But she feels she deserves more.

“Passengers paid for the use of all facilities, including the pool,” she says. “It would seem that a full refund is in order or a replacement cruise in the future.”

NCL has refused to sweeten its compensation offer, despite letters and photos sent to its CEO threatening to take this case to the media. Now Pearlstein wants me to get her money back from NCL.

I’m not sure if I can — or should.

A ship needs constant maintenance, as anyone who has ever owned a boat can attest to. Some of it can wait, but I don’t know when they might have done these repairs. Had they waited until after hours to sand the benches, even more customer might have complained.
How could NCL have known that the pool was the most important amenity to her and her family?

NCL might have let Pearlstein and her travel agent know about the pool closure before her departure, if possible. But a $100 credit should go a long way toward making up for a missing amenity.

At the same time, I’m sympathetic to these passengers. And I’m tired of the complaints about travel companies that don’t deliver the products they promise, but force their customers to agree to onerous, one-sided “adhesion” contracts that sometimes result in the loss of their entire cruise, flight or hotel stay.

Just for once, I’d like to see a company like NCL cough up a full refund because they failed to deliver a product they promised.

I’m not sure this is the time. In fact, I have a feeling it’s going to be a long wait.

  • Lindabator

    Thank you.  The fact that they did while in port meant they were attempting to make as little impact as possible, as most people are off the ship at that time. 

  • Lindabator

    I don’t think any amount would have made her happy – you know, she still didn’t get “her” pool!  HAHA

  • Lindabator

    And the cruise line DID attempt the repairs while they were in port, so it would impact the least amount of folks.  She just feels she’s far more important than anyone else!

  • CherylAE

    Going to the Bahamas and choosing not to get of the ship?  They should have stayed at a nice hotel with a pool!  Don’t even consider mediating. There are far more important issues to nail a cruise line on, routine maintenance is not one of them! Gee I was on a Greek cruise last April and they had to empty the pool because the seas were rough, can I get a full refund?

  • Raven_Altosk

    I don’t hate kids. I hate irresponsible parents.

  • LeeAnneClark

    I AM a parent, and I too hate irresponsible parents. 

    After reading months and months of Raven’s articulate and intelligent comments on this blog, I have no doubt he’s going to be an absolutely fabulous Dad…one who would never be so selfish and self-absorbed as to bring his kid into an adults-only area, or plop his diapered baby into a pool or hot tub.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Swim diapers do not keep poop out of the pool. Period.

  • Joe Farrell

    OMG the POOL was closed.  How horrible.   People get sick and puke their guts out for DAYS on cruises – getting sick from other passengers and the horrific sanitation from 1500 people all double dipping into the salsa and now we are worried about the pool being closed? 

    Imagine if you had been on the Concordia - 

  • Raven_Altosk

    Wow, this also reminds me of a story my GF tells. A few years back she worked as a cast member for Di$ney. (You want entitlement stories, wooo…she can tell some…)

    Anyway, a disgruntled guest came into guest services at the end of the day and demanded a refund for the following reasons:

    1. It rained.  (You’re in FL, durh)

    2. The attraction she wanted to see was closed for renovations. The “only reason” for going to the park, mind you! (Di$ney posts all closures on their website. Durh)

    3. She had to wait in line at numerous attractions and “someone with her kind of money doesn’t wait in line!” (It’s Di$ney. You wait in line)

    After refusing the refund, the woman told my GF to go fornicate with herself. GF replied in her super-happy-Di$ney voice, “Yes ma’am! I will do that, and you have a magical day!”

  • LadySiren

    Hahahaha, that’s awesome. I will admit to lurking on a forum where Di$ney cast members often post about their less-than-magical guests. I can’t believe some of the horror stories that get posted there.

    During our family reunion trip to Di$ney two years ago:
     
    1. There was a heatwave that was so intense even the locals were complaining. My MIL nearly fainted, as she’s from the Pacific Northwest and simply not used to temps that high (we did our best to keep her hydrated, I swear). It’s not Di$ney’s fault that the temperature was more akin to Hell than the Happiest Place on Earth. You just have to roll with it and figure out how to enjoy yourself without melting into a puddle on the blacktop.

    2. When it did rain, it was always one of those tropical monsoon rainstorms – I’m positive I saw small children floating away in the parking lot. It shut down Big Thunder Mountain and we ended up waiting inside (we were close to the front of the line) for the lightning to pass. I swear it was one of the best experiences we had – we ended up chatting with the cast members, one of whom turned out to be from not too far away from where we lived. We also hit up Blizzard Beach right after a massive rainstorm…and it was AWESOME. Everyone cleared out but we simply waited it out and voila – no lines!

    3. If you’re not smart enough to check the boards outside to see what’s closed, you’re woefully unprepared and should go buy a copy of Di$ney for Dummies. Seriously, how hard is it to find Disboards online?

    What it comes down to is, how much are you going to let the little things ruin your vacation? Yeah, I know – trip of a lifetime, etc, ad nauseum, but c’mon – if you can roll with the punches, you’ll have a far better time than if you freak out over the smallest details. Just sayin’,

  • http://twitter.com/DotWonder DotWonder

    this woman is a scammer.  they hand out silver level latitudes memberships to anyone w/ a pulse who has been on a ship ONCE before. heck…i have one.  she’s just trolling to get a free cruise

  • mszabo

    The article clearly states she spoke to a manager.  However it does not say whether this occurred on board or after the fact.

  • Debbie Lott

    I was just in Nassau… and the cheapest I saw for a day pass was $25 pp.  Unless you wanted to use the public beaches which would have been no place for kids.

  • Julie Northrop

    Really Raven? I’ve seen you post some very disparaging posts about children on flights and how they don’t belong there. You accuse parents of having entitlement complexes if a child somehow bothers you.  Sounds like someone who dislikes kids to me.

  • Julie Northrop

    Oh I’ve read his posts as well LeeAnne, and as well articulated as you say he is, he still has shown on several occasions how he abhors children.  They don’t belong on flights, they don’t belong in hotels, they don’t belong on cruises. Yeah, this is someone who’s going to be a GREAT father. Give me a break.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001823466572 Jen Armstrong

    NCL should have some kind of accommodation for wheelchair users and others with disabilities when the accessible pool isn’t available. They need to step up and do that immediately! 

  • Raven_Altosk

    I don’t hatekids.Ihatethewaysome”parents”don’tevenbothertokeepthemundercontrol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monica.l.kennedy Monica Lynn Kennedy

    This is totally unreasonable. I think the credits were sufficient. There are so many things to do on a cruise. I wouldn’t let a pool ruin the whole trip. I have been on several DCL and was never bothered with pool closures. We had one shut down when a baby left a little something extra in the water. My kid and cousins couldn’t use the pool for hours while it was drained, sanitized, and refilled. Did we demand a full refund? No. We found a different pool and other things to do. Life goes on.

    I’m willing to bet there was more than just sanding benches that caused the pool to close. Unless she was watching it 24/7 while it was closed, she couldn’t see or know everything that was going on. The cruise line has to perform maintenance at some point. It was unfortunate that it coincided with her cruise.

  • Drew_Thackery

    Come on, really?  On a ship that size the pool was closed and it ruined her vacation?  How pathetic is this woman?

  • Drew_Thackery

    Come on, really?  On a ship that size the pool was closed and it ruined her vacation?  How pathetic is this woman?

  • TiaMa

    “It would seem that a full refund is in order or a replacement cruise in the future.”

    If this woman knows that Chris is a travel advocate and this is why she chose to write to him, then chances are she’s seen similar stories with similar quotes and possibly the comments that follow.  To a degree, I get the accessibility issue but come on – does she really think she’s going to get a full refund or replacement cruise for a pool that was closed two out of four days?

  • Cybrsk8r

    While I don’t think a full refund is due for this, I’m also puzzled why sanding a bench forces closure of the entire pool.  Assuming that the concern is an electrical hazard, there are I can think of to mitigate that risk.  1. Use cordless tools

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001567463464 Beth Portocalis

    Sorry, I dont think NCL will do anything more than they have.  I had a medical issue and was mis-diagnosed by the ship’s doctor and didnt even get an apology.  Im empathetic to her situation but she should be thankful that NCL awarded her on-board credits that she was able to use while still on her cruise.

  • streamerstoo

    What is this, give me my money back thing going on…
    So these folks did not get a cabin, eat, play or enjoy any of the other amenities of the cruise.  Oh, I suppose they slept in the hallway and drank water only…were’t allowed to do anything, sure..right…
    Get real people, I suppose if it had rained you would want your money back too. 

  • Lindabator

    The MANAGER is the hotel manager onboard – they were given CREDITS to the rooms, so this CANNOT be done after the fact.  IF it had been after the fact, they would have gotten future cruise credits.  You would have better understood this if you either cruised before or were an agent.

  • MarlaM

    I was also thinking of Disney.  We are annual passholders at Disneyland and I don’t recall any time we’ve been there when there wasn’t at least one ride closed, often one of the more popular ones.  Some people plan their vacation months in advance and won’t know what rides will be closed until a few days prior to their arrival, or even the day they get there.  Disney doesn’t give refunds or discounts to those people.  It’s just life.  You make the best of the other attractions and have fun!

  • MikeInCtown

    I just wanted to be last in line on this one. I can certainly understand adults only and I also understand the needs of a person with disabilities. I think for me to understand how much would be fair compensation, it may be good to know how much the cruise was, in dollars spent. if it was $300 each person, then that $900 a cabin, for a $50 credit for apparently a fairly important amenity to a disabled person. I would think $200 total between the two cabins would have been more adequate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    What does it matter if the person was disabled or not? This is nothing more than a emotional ploy by the OP to garner sympathy. There was other entertainment options available for the family besides the pool. It isn’t as if they were forced to sit in their cabin and sulk. This is the difference between being entitled and being an adult and dealing with things when they don’t go your way. 

    I do agree that the price of their fare might be important in how much of a credit to provide but when it comes right down to it sometimes maintenance needs to be done and when a vessel operates nearly 365 days a year if it wasn’t this cruise then it would be the next cruise affected. In this case the cruise line got unlucky and had the entitled customer on board.

  • pauletteb

    You’re the one with the problem, honey!  I’m a parent, and I’m disgusted by today’s “entitled” parents who think anything their brats do is “cute” and should be excused because “kids will be kids.” I refuse to accept behavior from someone else’s kids that I wouldn’t accept from my own!

  • pauletteb

    No worries, Raven, posters like Julie Northrop aren’t worth the response. I shudder to think of how her kids (or future kids) behave.

  • judyserienagy

    WHINERS!  Will they ever go away?  If you want guarantees, stay home and enjoy yourself.  Travel experiences are NOT guaranteed.  If you are truly wronged by a travel provider, get some evidence to support your claim.  Whiners do not deserve attention, much less refunds.