Did I forget to mention I was born in Canada?

Harry Kopy has a secret.

You can’t tell by looking at him, or even by talking to him, but if spend a little time with him, you’ll know that although he’s a U.S. citizen, he was born in Canada.

OK, maybe it’s not a secret — but it was an important detail when he booked his recent Celebrity cruise to Jamaica and the Cayman Islands.

An important detail that was overlooked.

Kopy explains:

A few weeks before our cruise, I realized that my passport had expired.

I called the cruise line to see if I had any options and was assured by one of the agents of the cruise line that I’d only needed a legal birth certificate and picture ID (driver’s license). With that I breathed a sigh of relief and figured, no problem!

But wait. The agent failed to mention that the birth certificate had to show that he was born in the United States.

As you might’ve guessed, when were about to board the ship, we were denied entry because of my Canadian birth certificate. They said I needed a passport and refused to let us board.

Celebrity refused to refund his cruise, saying the paperwork was his responsibility. But after mentioning that an agent had given him the information that led to his birth certificate problem, it agreed to offer him a 20 percent discount off his next cruise.

That hardly begins to address Kopy’s costs. He’s lost his cruise fare, his wife’s, $500 in nonrefundable shore excursions had to scramble to get a rental car and five nights in a hotel to rescue their vacation, which was a 20th anniversary present. He tried to make a claim on his travel insurance, but was denied.

I suggested he contact someone at a higher level at the cruise line, and sent him the contact information for a few Celebrity executives.

In response, Celebrity upped its offer to a 75 percent discount.

“They are still saying that I was partially at fault for not telling the Celebrity agent that I was born in Canada,” he says. “Again, they are assuming that I knew that the birth certificate had to show that I was born in the U.S.”

This is a tough one. Yes, proper documentation is the passenger’s responsibility. But if a cruise line gives you inaccurate information, shouldn’t it be held responsible, too?

I receive far too many complaints from cruise passengers who were denied boarding because of birth certificate, passport or visa problems. If nothing else, this is yet another cautionary tale about relying on a cruise line for documentation requirements.

If cruise passengers had a valid passport, then 99 percent of these problems could be avoided. The average shore excursion will set you back by more than it costs to apply for a passport. That’s a small price to pay, isn’t it?

(Photo: Martin Cathrae/Flickr)

  • Anonymous

    The main reason to use a competent agent is to make your travel easier and better; and to avoid problems. A good TA would have caught this one. Besides, most TAs can sell cruises at the same price as online. The OP had nothing to lose using a TA.

  • Anonymous

    Did you check with your travel consultant?

  • Anonymous

    You won’t be able to board the plane to get to the US without proper paper work.  The carrier gets fined and the are very careful about not following the rules. 

  • Anonymous

    Legally that’s correct. Even a Canadian citizen under the age of 16 can use a Canadian birth certificate for a closed-loop cruise from a US port.  That doesn’t apply to adults.

    Still – get a passport is a good idea.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve traveled internationally several times. The only points where I was asked for my passport on a flight back to the US was at the airline checkin counter and when I got to Customs in the US.  That’s the limit of an airlines liability for checking proper paperwork.

    I was just giving a hypothetical situation where the passport is lost somewhere between checkin and Customs. If I have a passport card in my wallet, are they really going to be complete sticklers that I can’t leave the airport?

    I’m pretty sure that if I lost my passport on a flight to Australia, Australia Immigration is probably not going to let me in without a proper passport book with a valid visa.  However, there has got to be a way to get back when one loses a travel document.

  • Anonymous

    I have a relative who used to be a primarily international travel agent.

    I think he handled plenty of cases where clients lost their documents.

    Here’s an interesting discussion on the subject of possibly losing a passport on the flight back to the US:

    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-issues/840495-what-happens-if-you-lose-your-passport-flt-back-us.html

    Several responses seem to be that they’ll let you back in if you can really establish your bona fides.  I would think that a passport card, an enhanced driver license (only WA, NY, VT, and MI issue them), or a trusted traveler card would do the trick.  Maybe they’re not used to them at airport Customs, but I’d expect CBP officers to be well versed on different types of ID even if they don’t necessarily work land or sea points of entry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    Right, this was a DIY mistake, but before you respond with “any good TA” comments, who’s to say the Carnival rep is any better or worse than a TA. This is clearly a fault where the OP withheld pertinent information about his country of birth that could have been easily missed by even the best TA. 

    As I said in my comment, there are times when a TA is great, just don’t sell them as the be-all end-all of the travel experience. 

  • Anonymous

    Problems can arise in any point of sale, but with the internet many think they know more than the professional and that they will save by booking directly. The OP lost out by doing it himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    http://travel.state.gov/passport/

    has all the details, including when a passport is required and when it’s not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    Keep beating the TA drum but I stand by my statement that this could have just as easily happened with or without a TA. 

    The fact that millions of people travel successfully every year without the aid of a TA proves this is true. 

  • Anonymous

    But it won’t work to CHECKIN for the cruise – no paperwork, no cruise!

  • Anonymous

    Get a passport.

    It will save you headaches in the long run.

  • Anonymous

    I’m curious about this, bodega, and I’m only picking on you because you’re knowledgeable.  As a travel agent, would you have asked old Harry here verbally at the time of reservation, “Is your passport valid?”  Or would you have given him written information as to what the paperwork requirements are?  I suspect even a reputable travel agent could not have helped Harry out of his own ignorance.  He doesn’t read his own passport until too late, doesn’t bother to check online for information and doesn’t advise the travel supplier he doesn’t have an American birth certificate when he is an American citizen.  Frankly, he just can’t help himself and I don’t think a TA could unless he demanded to personally check all of his travel documentation.  Is that really reasonable for even a good bricks-and-mortar TA to do?

  • Anonymous

    The reason for the birth certificate allowance is that people complained it was too expensive to require a passport.  I roll my eyes at that one.  It’s good for 10 years for chrissake.  If you can afford to take a cruise, you can afford a passport! 

  • http://www.bestcarry-onluggage.net Jeremiah Johnson

    I believe he was luck to be offered an compensation at all. Its always the passengers responsibility to have their paperwork in order. I agree the cruise line should have given him the correct information but they are not the ones who are going to suffer when an incident such as this occurs.

  • Anonymous

    I usually ask for a copy of a passport, by fax, scan or bring it by and I’ll copy it.  That way we see the name, expiration date, place of birth and date of birth. If there are any questions regarding the information it is dealt with before a payment is made. His place of birth would have been caught at that point.

  • Anonymous

    Who does not have a passport in 2012?  Geezus.

  • Anonymous

    It’s estimated that only between 25-40% of US citizens have ever been issued a passport.

    Here’s an interesting piece with estimates on the rate of passport holders per state:

    http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2011/03/08/percentage-of-us-citizens-holding-passports-by-state-andrew-sullivan-the-atlantic/

  • Anonymous

    All the documents I hinted (passport card, enhanced DL/ID, trusted traveler card) are specifically considered proper paperwork for cruise travel.  I believe they’re valid even if it’s not a closed-loop cruise.

    A birth certificate itself would only be good as a travel document for a closed-loop cruise.

  • guest4254

    I assure you that Celebrity (not Carnival…see how easy it is to make the wrong assumption even though this was spelled out for you in a previous post?) did NOT ask what my nationality was!!!  If they did, I would’ve been on that boat! 
    Do you work for the National Enquirer??? Because that’s something they would make up without really knowing! You obviously know nothing about me, the job I have and the crazy (to say the least) hours I work!!!!! Having been a citizen of the USA for over 45 years and taken several trips to Canada, including one to Nova Scotia, where my wife was allowed entry with a “Sam’s Club” card…maybe then you could understand why I believed the Celebrity agent that I spoke with, and that I needed nothing more. 
    I didn’t pay for expedited service because I was assured that I didn’t need it….people need to stop “assuming” what happened if they weren’t there when it happened!