Did Delta go the extra mile for me?

As an Amex-branded Platinum-level frequent flier for the better part of the last decade, Carolyn Stover Harvey counts herself among Delta Air Lines’ best customers. The kind of customer Delta would go the extra mile for.

You’d think.

But Harvey wonders if Delta really did go the extra mile for someone with as many miles as she has. She wants me to tell her – and you to tell her – and she promises to abide by our decision.

Oh, the pressure! OK, here it goes.

Harvey flew from Atlanta, where she is based, to Fresno, Calif., via Salt Lake City.

Her outbound flights encountered numerous problems. A mechanical delay made her miss her connection in Salt Lake City, she arrived in Fresno six hours later than planned, and her luggage arrived 24 hours later.

When she tried to check in for her return flight, she found her itinerary had “vanished.”

“Delta had no record of my trip home,” she explains. “Apparently it disappeared when my re-booking was done. I was ultimately returned to Atlanta via Salt Lake City, but not without problems.”

As if that wasn’t enough, she was seated in the least desirable seat on her flight back to Atlanta: in the last row of economy class near the galley. Of course, her in-flight entertainment system didn’t work.

Harvey wrote a letter to Delta’s chief executive, complaining about the problems she encountered on her California trip and reminding him of her elite status. She asked for a full refund of the clothing and toiletries she bought during her baggage delay, plus a double-refund of the Skymiles I paid for her ticket, or 65,000 miles.

It looked as if the person who reviewed my complaint did not understand the problems at all. I received a full refund of what I spent on my emergency supplies, but only a 5,000 Skymiles refund. I just find the entire treatment of my very valid complaint insufficient.

Harvey thinks she understands why Delta didn’t compensate her more. She paid for her flight using miles, which means it was a nonrevenue tickets. But did Delta do enough for this super-elite customer? Did it follow its own rules for compensating her — or did it brush her off?

  • TonyA_says

    Hi Emanon, got a question. Is the Delta AMEX Platinum card the same as Delta Platinum Medallion?

    I am not an expert on Delta Skymiles MQMs.  http://www.delta.com/skymiles/about_skymiles/benefits_at_glance/index.jsp
    Is there a way to find out if Harvey is truly an elite at Delta?

    I remember Delta was giving a way to earn Platinum Status faster:

    Fly just three paid round-trip domestic flights or two paid
    round-trip international flights, and we’ll grant you Platinum Medallion
    status. As an exclusive offer, this is just a small percentage
    of the standard Medallion Qualification Segments you would need to
    reach Platinum Medallion status.

    I wonder what status she really has.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I only ask because it doesn’t sound like she travels very often based on her immediate demand to the CEO for a double refund after a 6 hour delay and having her seat moved. I agree it sucks, but I think she expects way too much for something that people who travel a lot experience pretty frequently. What she gets should have nothing to do with her status with the airline.

  • MikeInCtown

    I’m sorry, but getting a government run entity confused with a privately run one is where you went wrong. Since when could you ever expect any loyalty out of any government official?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I forgot about the retires, I feel horrible for them, my FA Friend told me how bad that cut was and how many people it effected.  Their life time flight benefits were basically taken away.  I still have a few itineraries out there than never synced up and I am still missing 4 segments of miles.  Fortunately the sync issues are a few weeks out still.  Last time I called it took an hour to get someone, I have been trying to take care of everything at the airport now.  I used to always get through on the phone licketly split.  I also finally got a response last night to an e-mail I sent on the 6th or 7th of last month.  Pre-merger, I always got a response within 48 hours.

  • MikeInCtown

    Because of a delay, she missed a connection. yes, it was only 6 hours, but she also had no luggage when she arrived. They did reimburse her for the toiletries, but she was without her items for a day. Then they completely lost her return flight and when they got her a seat it was the worst on the plane. itf it was just a 6 hour delay, then I see your point, but there was mistake after mistake here.

  • TonyA_says

    A lot of International Airlines are owned by their respective governments. They do have mileage plans, too.

  • MikeInCtown

    Considering they had no record of her flight home, how could they have moved her to another section from one? And the fact that the stupid seat electronics didn’t work, OMG, what a flight from he!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I do not support them when they provide bad service to anyone.  Everyone should get good service, no matter what.  Elite or not elite, everyone deserves good service.  But when irregularities happen, and they have to re-book someone, sometimes the PNR gets out of sync and they have to fix it before she can check in.  I am merely saying this is common, and it seems absurd for someone who claims to travel a lot to go directly to the CEO demanding a double refund for this error.  To someone who hardly ever travels, this may seem like a big error, but to someone who has been platinum for 10 years as she claims, I find it hard to believe they have never experienced this problem, and I think their demands are a little ridiculous. 
     
    BTW, from Delta’s CoC:
    Delta will have no liability for making connections, failing to operate any flight according to schedule, changing the schedule for any flight, changing seat assignments or aircraft types, or revising the routings by which Delta carries the passenger from the ticketed origin to destination.

  • http://twitter.com/LookSolutionsCo Kim Brechin

    The challenge is the Amex Branding loyalty portion of the equation. As a Million Delta Miler and a former Platinum Amex holder, I constantly battled the loyalty issue.  Delta lost, misplaced and constantly bumped me out of my what Delta referred to “Non Revenue” business class seats “seats booked with my points”.   Amex who fronts the Platinum advantage is no help at all. I earned my status from flying Delta but every time I tried to take advantage of any AMEX “Platinum”benefits such as compensation for lost baggage and incidentals such as tooth paste etc. it became painful .  The letter should be written to AMEX and a copy to Delta.   I have seen the corporate blame game for multiple years with AMEX and Delta.  I finally cancelled by Delta Platinum card.  And avoid Delta specifically as they are consistently underperforming to the “Top Tier” fliers. 

  • TonyA_says

    It’s just sad. IMO, UA had the most responsive Elite program of all the US carriers. While it was a bit complicated to understand for the outsider, most of the members (especially commuters) loved the program. UA tweaked their system for the benefit of their elite flyers. I get a kick just reading flyertalk about the old (pre merger) Mileage Plus program. All gone now I suppose.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Actually, she may or may not be elite at all.  Just by holding the Delta Platinum AmEx doesn’t mean she has Platinum Medallion status.  It may just be a Platinum card.  I don’t have the Delta card because last I checked it charges a $150 a year fee.  The last ad I saw for the card said you got to board with silver elites and got 1 free checked bag per flight.  
     
    She may just have the credit card which does not make her a medallion elite.  I hope Chris can clarify, though it shouldn’t really matter.  
     
    I just want to add, platinum is not the highest medallion status on Delta, the highest regular status is Diamond. 
     
    What you are quoting is the platinum challenge, which lets you earn platinum status faster, say if you are switching airlines because you no longer like United J  Sorry, I’m still upset with United.

  • SooZeeeQ

    They refunded her more than I would have expected.

    As for the “least desirable” seat on the plane, I flew Delta in almost the same spot and it was not bad, and I always go to the last row when I fly Southwest.

    Bumpy flight and the crew has to remain seated?  I always get my drink.

    Hate getting kicked in the back of the seat?  No problem in the last row and for short hops I do not need to recline.

  • TonyA_says

    I also noticed that  there was no mention of MillionMiler status. Probably one who can maintain a decade of Platinum status can/may already be a million miler by now.

    If the OP was not a Platinum Elite then this case would be very funny. I, too, am waiting for Chris to clarify.

  • TonyA_says

    3.5 hours in the back of a 737/757/763 is probably not that bad. It’s better than getting stuck in traffic in Hotlanta.

  • SoBeSparky

    I don’t understand this either.  ”Amex-branded Platinum-level frequent flier” means she has a credit card.  Period.  It denotes no elite level because of Delta travel business.  

    She got compensation, especially for a free award flight–more miles.    Maybe she earned these miles just because of credit card usage.  Who knows?  Case closed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Many airlines still don’t have seat back video, and up until a few years ago, most of them didn’t. Plenty of long haul flights still don’t even have in seat video.  I don’t see the big deal here.  I buy books.  Paper ones.  I would never depend on an airline to put a TV in the seat in front of me to entertain me.

  • pauletteb

    Talk about unreasonable expectations! My daughter and I missed our connection in Chicago because of a gate agent’s error (this was right after 9/11, and everything was a bit screwy). American got us the last available seats on the next flight to L.A.: last row by the lavs. Somehow we managed to survive, but then we’ve never been among the “entitled.”

  • judyserienagy

    Poor woman got caught in the phantom Customer Service department, where nobody can read and nobody can communicate.  I imagine them having 12 form letters in their computer and just sending whichever one they want to.  It’s tough to believe that a frequent flyer would be treated this way, but it seems to happen all the time.  Unless you’re at the top of the elite pack, you get a robot doing customer service.  And she lives in Atlanta, so very few airline choices for future flights.

  • judyserienagy

    Poor woman got caught in the phantom Customer Service department, where nobody can read and nobody can communicate.  I imagine them having 12 form letters in their computer and just sending whichever one they want to.  It’s tough to believe that a frequent flyer would be treated this way, but it seems to happen all the time.  Unless you’re at the top of the elite pack, you get a robot doing customer service.  And she lives in Atlanta, so very few airline choices for future flights.

  • bodega3

    Her PNR still existed as it doesn’t disappear until after the last travel date in history.  They also have ways of pulling it up with the confirmation code on their end.  Her information is in history within the cancelled PNR so the carrier could then see what she had been ticketed for.

  • MarkKelling

    Since Platinum level with Delta requires only 75,000 miles to get, and there are ways to shortcut the process, even if the OP had been Platinum for 10 years that owuld be 750,000 miles. Still short of Million Miler.

  • bodega3

    Well you thought wrong.  Everyone expects something for free but if you read the rules of carriage you will see your rights.

  • TonyA_says

    How about the credit card use? Do they add points and miles that are not MSM?

    Also, how about miles earned before you were Platinum? Do they count to reach the MM?

  • bodega3

    Can you imagine how many letters a day they get these days?  Yes, there are issues, but EVERYONE was something for free from the airlines. 

  • lorcha

    What is an “Amex-branded Platinum-level frequent flier”, anyway? She’s either elite on Delta or she’s not. Anyway, I think paying for her incidentals and giving her 5k miles was good enough, considering her request for double her “money” back was unreasonable. 

    I mean, Delta got her there and back, for the most part. Why should she be entitled to a double refund? 

  • lorcha

    It didn’t. 65k was a *double* refund, which the OP felt she was entitled to for her pain and suffering and being so elite.

    My first reading was that they 5k she was offered might have been a little slim for a frequent flier, but since she asked for a double refund, I can’t possibly take her seriously. 5k is fine.

  • TonyA_says

     Wait till they buy AA.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Right now you get 5,000 Medallion Qualifying Miles when you sign up, you also get bonus Medallion Qualifying Miles when you fly in full fare or premium fares.  All of the other miles earned with the card are redeemable miles, not qualifying miles.  However MM status is based on only actual miles flown, not even the fare class bonuses or the credit card bonus count towards MM status, you have to fly those miles.  Someone one could potentially earn over 2 million miles, and 1.5 million MQMs, while just barely making 1MM.

  • lorcha

    You can’t really compare different industries like that. Metro North is basically a monopoly, unless you consider “rotting in I-95 traffic and paying through the nose for Manhattan parking” to be a serious competitor. I don’t. And monopolies don’t need loyalty programs.

    Anyway, why would Metro North need a loyalty program? I did a 6 month gig in Stamford a while back, and I loved Metro North! I mean, the Stamford nightlife is great and all, but… well, yeah.. :)

  • lorcha

    Ownership is irrelevant. It’s competition that matters. Metro North has no meaningful competition; therefore, they need no loyalty program.

  • lorcha

    Status was nice back when I traveled for work, but that was pre-9/11. These days, it just means you don’t have to pay a bag fee.

  • TonyA_says

    Thanks for explaining.  No wonder I never made it. :)

  • bayareascott

    There are still many issues with the UA/CO merger, but that is completely false regarding retiree travel benefits.  They were not taken away.  Just like with many things in a merger, there were compromises.  At UA, retirees with 25+ years always traveled first, even ahead of active employees with more years of service (is that fair?).  At CO, retirees traveled behind actives.  The new plan is a compromise.  Retirees can travel four roundtrips a year at the highest priority anywhere in the world.  The rest of the time, they fly behind active employees (3rd priority of 10 categories).  Hardly “basically taken away.” Did they lose something they believe they were promised by their company?  Yes.  Are some of them acting overly dramatic and greatly stretching the truth?  Yes.

    Can’t speak to Delta (but this sounds similar), but the issues with cancelled itineraries with UA/CO is the CO GDS called Shares.  If you “no-show” for any segment in your reservation, the system assumes you are not flying and cancels your entire itinerary.  When you are rerouted because of a delay, the agent must cancel your original itinerary.  This was not the case in UA’s old GDS (Apollo) so UA agents are using to adding new flights without cancelling the old ones.  Plus, UA (as usual) does an extremely poor job disseminating information to front-line employees.  If you are traveling and get re-routed, make sure you ask the agent if they cancelled your original itinerary.

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    delays are part of the airline business. They have to be otherwise fares would triple overnight.

    Sometimes I seriously wonder if they should have suicide lines at airports for people who must get on the aircraft & fly, even though it might have a mechanical problem, which might cuase it to crash.

    Want to arrive DEAD ON TIME.

    Not quite sure what this woman wants.

    Super elite ? Want a load of rubbish. Delta probably has millions of them.

    The whole idea of an ailrine being able to get me toa destination 100% of the time, on time is ludicrous.

    Airlines have to have tight schedules (unless Mr Boeing & Airbus start giving their new aircraft away free), so a delay can happen, even in perfect weather, in a perfectly maintained aircraft. Aircraft are not like a car. They can’t pull over to the side of the raod, if something stops working !!!

  • ZooeyFresno

    Greedy, entitled people.

  • ZooeyFresno

    And they know that based in ATL, she probably ain’t flying anyone else no matter how bad they treat her.  So no loss.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Loudermilk-Tomberlin/1344557368 Linda Loudermilk Tomberlin

    She got far more than I got when I had a situation like that.  I was stuck on the tarmac in Dallas in an unairconditioned plane for three hours.  When I finally got to Charlotte, they lost my luggage for more than a day.  And I was given exactly $20 in recompense.

  • Joe Farrell

    There is an old saying . . .  if you have to ask the question you know the answer.

    I would BET if you called another airline’s platinum service desk, and said ‘here is how much I spend on travel in a year, I’ll give that business to you if you think you can serve my needs better than Delta.  You just have to match status.”

    I bet they’d do it – but I would also take bets that there is someone in United or American’s [thats all thats left now, right?  United, American and Delta?  I don't count US-Scareways any more cause you'd have to be crazy to fly them]  program who has called Delta to level match . . .

    If you really really fly alot – and if you fly first class alot – charter may make a lot of sense domestically . .. and when flying to foreign destinations you would do well to ALWAYS fly that countries flag carrier there – unless you are going to Italy or China. 

  • Bill Armstrong

    I was going to say that it wasn’t such a big deal and they paid her enough. Then I read to the part where they “didn’t understand what she wrote”.
    United Customer service has “selective illiteracy” when you write to them too, and I think that this sort of activity reflects poorly upon those two  airlines in particular and the airline industry in general.
    She was compensated properly for the flight issues.  She should receive 100,000 miles or so for them not choosing to reply properly to the letter…it is pretty frustrating.

  • http://profiles.google.com/bmgraham Barry Graham

    How does she know she is one of Delta’s best customers?  Why should she get double the miles?  Also with the original PNR there is no way that all trace of the original trip could have gone missing – I wish it could!  Airlines can always see the history of a booking.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Elite call hold times were topping 2 hours last week.

    Source: Me, sitting on the phone ready to scream.

  • TonyA_says

    I do business w/ airline consolidators (BULK fares). Last week they were still complaining that most of their UA/CO calls were on hold for almost the whole business day. Remember that’s even after getting system-wide (release) vouchers to get most of the problems fixed. Some of the old CO flights just disappeared (cancelled) and you cannot simply reroute the pax on the same booking class (no seats). I have pax that needs a 2 step upgrade and reroute to fix the ticket. Answer of UA, call back when the pax is about to depart, we are too busy (fighting fires).

    Unfortunately (or fortunately) UA fares are still one the cheapest out there. What can I do? Everyone wants to save money.

  • MHI354

    A NEW ADAGE:   NEVER FLY COACH (ECONOMY);  FLY AN INTERNATIONAL CARRIER WHEN POSSIBLE; RECORD ALL CONVERSATIONS WITH AIRLINES (THIS IS LEGAL IF YOU ARE USING YOUR OWN PHONE) TO PREPARE FOR ANY LITIGATION;
    NEVER TRUST WHAT AN AIRLINE SAYS OR ADVERTISES.

    MORT NYC

  • MHI354

    A NEW ADAGE:   NEVER FLY COACH (ECONOMY);  FLY AN INTERNATIONAL CARRIER WHEN POSSIBLE; RECORD ALL CONVERSATIONS WITH AIRLINES (THIS IS LEGAL IF YOU ARE USING YOUR OWN PHONE) TO PREPARE FOR ANY LITIGATION;
    NEVER TRUST WHAT AN AIRLINE SAYS OR ADVERTISES.

    MORT NYC

  • SooZeeeQ

    Even though all caps is like yelling, at least I can read the post of MHI354 without my glasses.

  • jennj99738

    Alrighty, I’m not going to respond to how an average person is to never fly coach but I will respond to another statement by this poster:  “Record all conversations with airlines (This is legal if you are using your own phone).” 

    Wrong.  Wiretapping laws vary state to state.  You should never record a telephone conversation unless (1) you consult an attorney in your state or (2) are comfortable reading and understanding the applicable statute and the caselaw yourself or (3) get consent of the party whom you are recording.  It does not matter one bit in any state whose phone you are using to record the conversation.

  • http://twitter.com/travelwinechick Elizabeth Smith

    She still flew the roundtrip itinerary, albeit with difficulty. However, I am not sure how many miles they should refund to her. Was the 65,000-mile award ticket a first class ticket or a higher mileage coach ticket?  If it was a first class mileage ticket, they should probably credit her with more than 5000 miles, since the return itinerary was in coach.

  • davidglass

    It all depends whether the state in question has 1 party or 2 party consent laws.

  • jennj99738

    True but I didn’t use that terminology for a reason.  Nevada, where I practice, appears to be by statute a one party consent state.  However, the Nevada Supreme Court ruled that the one party who consents to have the conversation recorded cannot be a party to the conversation itself.  So while Nevada’s statute appears to be a one-party state, in effect it is two-party.  You have to be very careful in relying on what other people like Mort tell you especially when there are criminal sanctions involved.  Mort isn’t going to the pokey, you are.  And by you, I don’t mean you, David.