“Crushed” by an XL passenger on a Southwest flight

It’s not every day that I republish a complaint letter in its entirety. Then again, it’s not every day that an airline does the right thing without yours truly getting involved.

Maybe it was the letter. Or maybe it was the fact that the airline in question was Southwest, which has the best reputation for customer service among the domestic airlines.

You decide …

I’m a long term Southwest customer who has just had his first problem in decades and I want to let you know about it.

I always fly Southwest, and I always make a point of checking in early at the airport. That way, I receive a low Southwest boarding pass number, am able to board before the plane fills up, and take the aisle seat in the last row. Then, even if the plane is nearly full, I often end up with an empty seat beside me, and I like having the extra room.

The flight in question was #993 from Sacramento, CA (SMF) to Ontario, CA (ONT), departing Sacramento at 1:00 PM on January 30, 2009. Here’s what happened…

As usual, I arrived early for the flight, procured my usual back row aisle seat, then watched and hoped as the plane filled. Eventually, a man took the window seat in my row. He was what Southwest calls (I believe) “a passenger of size”. He was huge. He couldn’t get his seatbelt on, or the armrest between him and the middle seat down, but hey… no skin off my nose. We had an empty seat between us, and I assumed that one of the attendants would deal with his seatbelt problem.

The plane filled, and as luck would have it there ended up being a single empty seat on the flight… the one between me and the window seat passenger in my row. Then, a Southwest employee came on from outside the plane, walked down the center aisle looking for empty seats, noted the open seat in my row, and walked back off the plane. A minute or two later, another passenger came aboard and attempted to shoehorn himself into that center seat. Because the window seat passenger was sprawled into the center seat, there wasn’t enough room for the new passenger. The only way he could fit was by raising the armrest between his center seat and my aisle seat, leaving me crushed against the aisle-side armrest.

The irritating and inexcusable thing is that your attendant stood in the area beside the rear restroom, watched this whole fiasco, and didn’t say or do a thing to help. I felt as if he was waiting for me or the passenger in the center seat to complain about the “passenger of size” in the window seat before taking any action, and that’s not fair to us. It’s not my job as a passenger to challenge and perhaps embarrass another passenger who should never have been allowed on the flight in the first place without buying two seats.

My final concern is that the center seat and window seat passengers made the entire flight with their armrests up and their seatbelts unfastened! Here again, is it my job as a passenger to have to say something about this, or should your attendant have offered seatbelt extenders to these passengers?

Please let me know that you have done something to educate the attendant who failed to help me and my fellow passengers, and also please let me know what I should do if this kind of situation arises in the future.

Thank you,

Grant Ritchie

Why reprint the letter? First, because it follows most of the principles of a successful complaint letter. It’s a little long, but it’s certainly polite. And second, because it worked.

Southwest didn’t follow its own policy, which requires that passengers “of size” buy an extra seat.

Within two weeks of sending the letter, Ritchie got a phone call Southwest.

She was a perfect example of how to respond to a disgruntled passenger, or an unhappy customer of any kind… apologetic, concerned, and patient. She took a considerable amount of time to just listen to me and let me vent. She even laughed when I told her how I had eventually paid the little girl in the next row five dollars to switch seats with me.

By the end of the call I was smiling, and felt as if I had been talking to a friend.

Southwest refunded the $79.50 for her ticket and e-mailed a “LUV” voucher for another $79.50.

Nice work, Southwest.

Update: (3/12) Apparently, Southwest’s management agrees with me. In its weekly employee news line, Southwest’s chief executive, Gary Kelly, acknowledged the customer service representative who helped Ritchie.

Finally this week, I’d like to give a shout out to Customer Relations Rapid Rewards Writing Rep Nancy McKinley. Nancy was just doing her job one day by responding to Customer letters, and I’m sure she didn’t think anything of it too much. But the particular Customer she was helping was very appreciative of her detailed and caring response. He then wrote a blog post about how helpful she was, and he twittered about it too. I don’t know if it’s twittered or tweetered, but in any event, I think this just goes to show that in today’s world we’ve got to remember that every Customer truly does matter. Each little thing that we can do to make a difference has meaning, and with advanced technology, each thing we do could wind up being broadcast to the whole world.

So thanks, Nancy, for taking care of our Customers. And thanks to each of you for calling the Employee News Line, even if it is a little bit late tonight. You guys are doing a great job, keep it up, persevere and have a great week!

Hey Gary, it’s “twittered.” Or, as one of our commenters points out, tweeted. ;-)

  • Elizabeth

    This is why I love Southwest and am so happy they are coming to Boston in the fall. I would take a flight out of Providence on Southwest any day over a flight out of Boston.

  • http://suddenlyfrugal.wordpress.com Leah Ingram

    This is why I gave Southwest Airlines a Suddenly Frugal Seal of Approval last year:

    http://suddenlyfrugal.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/suddenly-frugal-seal-of-approval-southwest-airlines/

    If possible I will only fly Southwest, because I feel like it is the only airline company that consistently does right by its passengers.

    And I love the bit about paying a small child to switch seats with him. Very clever.

    Leah

  • http://www.alaskatravelgram.com Scott McMurren

    I remember having to intercede on a passenger’s behalf w/Alaska Air. This was the case of an overweight woman in an exit row, aisle seat. The other two passengers in the row were crushed into the side of the a/c. It was back-n-forth with Alaska for months before they finally compensated the couple with a pair of free tickets. In the end, Alaska did amend their policies to prohibit passengers who require a seat belt extender from sitting in exit row. But the process was arduous.

  • Judy

    I feel the pain you endured had it happen to me in January I was flying from Vermont International to LA. I was on a different airline Talk about a long enduring flight.

    Happy that you received a refund and “LUV” Voucher. The best part though was you paying someone to change seats.

  • Ted – Phoenix Justice

    I am a “person of size” and whenever flying (and when available), I fly first class, so as I don’t have to deal with this issue.

    I do have question though about the “person of size” on the Southwest flight: Did he purchase an extra ticket and the airline just decide that because their was an empty seat that it was not “in use”? I have always wondered how that works when someone purchases an extra seat.

  • Judi

    I am a “customer of size” and I am well aware of the amount of room I take up. I’ve never had to purchase a second seat though. What I have found is that different Southwest planes have different sized seats. How do I know? Sometimes I am able to fasten the belt, sometimes I cannot. I have purchased my own seat belt extender that I always carry, just in case. I always try to take the window seat so I can wedge myself toward the window, thus making sure the armrest stays down, without impacting other passengers.
    Also, I have never taken a Southwest flight without a flight attendant coming around checking everyone’s seat belt.

  • Helena

    It’s entirely possible the large passenger -had- purchased an extra seat, which was then bumped because the flight was oversold. I’ve heard that, since nobody ends up arriving to their destination late, the airline does not have to give compensation for the bumping. And, of course, everyone’s uncomfortable and unhappy, except the airline. I’ve considered buying a second seat just for the extra room, but never followed through for this reason.

  • Jen

    Helena,

    You mean if I was a large passenger and bought two seats (aka paid for two tickets) and then someone was put into the seat that I bought because the airline overbooked the flight, I wouldn’t get a refund for my ticket?

    I’d tell them that I have a ticket for that seat (and show it to them) and refuse to let anyone sit there unless I was given my refund right then and there for them taking away my seat.

    Is it really legal to do that to someone?

  • Mindy

    I am a “passenger of size” sorta. I can put the armrest down.. but just. And well, while pregnant on top of that.. well lets say.. one seat just don’t cut it.

    Southwest has a wonderful policy.. buy a second seat.. they’ll let you do so at the original discounted fare, regardless of what the current fare is.

    If the plane doesn’t fill, you get your $$ back on the second seat. Not credit, but actual cash back.

    And well.. if the plane does fill… at that point I am very glad I have the second seat.

    As someone who has purchased the “POS” seat, you get a tag to put in the seat. It is a second boarding pass that says “Seat Reserved”. I’d be shocked and appalled if they bumped the “Seat Reserved”.. I don’t think they do it.

    Shame on the XL customer for not purchasing a second seat. And shame on the entire staff of LUV at the airport that didn’t handle it before the flight even started. Trust me.. Mr. XL knew size was an issue.. he should’ve been a responsible fellow passenger and shelled out for an additional seat.

    Glad to see LUV made it right. Sorry folks, but this is one fatty who is totally loyal to Southwest Airlines!

  • moose

    As a fat person I’ve come to appreciate Southwest’s 2nd seat policy, because of a flight isn’t oversold, I get the money for my 2nd seat back (ie. it was unused, so I get refunded).

    I’m also disabled, so between priority boarding and the 2nd seat, I generally don’t have problems, nor do the people around me.

    That said, I think there are a few points missing here:

    – When you check in, if you’ve bought a 2nd seat, you get TWO boarding passes. I really doubt there’s anyway the 2nd seat could be “bumped”

    - Your 2nd boarding pass is designed to be placed on the empty seat next to you, so that there is no way a flight attendant should be able to count that seat as “empty”

    - Whether a flyer needs a 2nd seat should be dealt with at the latest at the gate, if not at check-in. Trust me, from experience, there is nothing more humiliating than having some Airline Idjit board your plane just to berate you for not having bought a 2nd ticket, and then refuse to let you stay on the plane unless you give them a credit card number. (No, the airline here was not Southwest, and for bonus points, this was on the 2nd leg of a flight to a job interview, so getting off the plane and being stranded was out of the question.)

    - Most notably — this flight went to Canada. It is currently illegal in Canada for airlines to charge for 2 seats if a flyer needs them — the airline MUST give the flyer the 2nd seat. To be fair, I’m not sure if this involves all flights into [and out of] Canada or just ones internally in the country.

    All in all, a nasty situation. Fortunately everything turned out ok.

  • Chicky

    O.K. Does this mean I can get a refund from United for the kid who kicked my seat all the way from DEN to BHM, or for the woman whose perfume odorized the entire cabin from DFW to RNO, giving me a colossal headache, or any one of a number of people-induced annoyances I’ve experienced on flights. Or maybe, get a refund from the airlines just because they order planes containing seats with the bare minimum width required by the FAA and these seats are too narrow for most people, plus-sized or not??

    I understand this man had an unpleasant flight and I sympathize with him. However, I also wonder, like a couple of others, if the large man had purchased an extra seat, and spent HIS flight most uncomfortably aware that his size was making others uncomfortable. I too am a person of size (although not as much size as there used to be), and I can tell you that, like Judi, most of us are well aware of how large we are. We have mirrors, too.

    So it wasn’t Mr. Ritchie’s place to embarrass that passenger? How altruistic of him. It’s the flight attendant’s job to humiliate the man, then. What in the world could/should she have done to alleviate the situation? Paid the kid herself to change seats? Plus, we’re talking a pretty short flight here –maybe, 90 minutes? I seriously doubt he was crippled for life.

    Granted, Southwest did a good thing here. One reason, I suspect, is because they KNOW they may well have allowed that last passenger on the plane when the large gentleman had purchased two seats, and figured they owed Mr. Ritchie for the incovenience. If this is the case, I hope they refunded the large man for his extra seat purchase, since he was unable to benefit from it.

  • David Z

    Is it really legal to do that to someone?

    Probably depends on: a) any applicable law, b) Southwest’s contract, or c) what the judge says if someone sues for this exact situation.

    Then again, this one ends well so as not to lead to that. :)

  • J. McMurry

    regarding the passenger not receiving a seat-belt extender….that’s where the real safety issue lies here. Two years ago I flew PHX to ALB — full flight. A very large man came on toward the end of the boarding process and had to sit in the middle seat–I had the window seat, another medium-sized lady had the aisle. This man was totally uncomfortable the entire flight–and his seatbelt was not fastened. I was shocked that the flight attendant didn’t automatically give him the extender. This poor man sat, gripping his left arm with his right arm, and vice-versa the entire flight so he wouldn’t spill over into the two women. I’ve always been under the impression that it was a law you had to be seat-belted in.

  • ptkdude

    - Most notably — this flight went to Canada. It is currently illegal in Canada for airlines to charge for 2 seats if a flyer needs them — the airline MUST give the flyer the 2nd seat. To be fair, I’m not sure if this involves all flights into [and out of] Canada or just ones internally in the country.

    The flight went to Ontario, CA (California). Ontario, Canada is a province, not a city.

  • Chicky

    Southwest does not fly to Canada. According to their route map on their web site, they do not fly outside the continental U.S. This flight was from Sacramento, California, to Ontario, California. According to the driving directions on Google, it’s a little over 400 miles. That translates into roughly a 90 minute flight.

  • Grant Ritchie

    I’m the “crushed” passenger in question, and I ‘d like to address some of the questions that have arisen.
    The “passenger of size” (POS) in this instance had not purchased a second ticket. I was told that he should have been stopped by the Gate Agent, but I can well imagine the reluctance of the agent to embarrass the POS by holding up the line of boarding passengers. He probably just took a deep breath, and hoped for the best. Southwest really is between a rock and a hard spot here.
    I was also told that if a passenger of size purchases a second seat, that seat is never “bumped”. It is kept open even if the flight fills completely, and if the flight doesn’t fill completely, the cost of the second seat is refunded.
    An interesting aside… I was told that, although all the seats on Southwest flights are the same size, the ones in the middle of the plane are more widely separated than the ones in the front and back due to the taper of the airframe. I haven’t had a chance to check that out yet, but it might be something for passengers of size to keep in mind.
    And finally… the Ontario to which I flew was the city in California, not the Province in Canada, so Canadian law would not apply.

  • http://www.alligatosinthesewer.net Norm

    Am I the only one here who noticed the fact that two passengers (POS and crushed guy) were unable to fasten their seat belts, and had thus created an FAA violation during take-off and landing? Ensuring that compliance is clearly the responsibility of the flight attendants.

  • Mike

    First, does anyone see the irony in the FAA regs? A P.o.S. who is crammed into a seat and barely able to move is guilty of FAA violations if he is not buckled in, yet every single person on the flight could have a baby with them on thier lap and it is perfectly legal. Yet it is against the law in all 50 states to have a baby in your car unbuckled or in a non approved child safety seat…

    It is on the flight attendants to make sure that everyone is buckled and that everyone occupies their own seats. if they aren’t even capapble of this, why would we call them “attendants” anymore? A new name may have to be made up for a new class of workers who no longer serves complimentary beverages or meals, checks for FAA violations, and may soon be a restroom monitor on a certain airline.

  • MoNgo

    Whoa, der pardner.
    “Southwest refunded the $79.50 for her ticket and e-mailed a “LUV” voucher for another $79.50.”
    Is this the amount the passenger paid for the ticket, including, Federal sales tax, federal exise tax, departure tax, 9/11 tax, airport security tax?
    It could have been worse. I bet the passenger would not recoup the paper ticket fee, reserve a seat in advance fee, baggage fee, automatic flight insurance enrollment, snack and beveage fees, skycap fee, browsing airline magazine rental fee if this wasn’t a Southwest flight.

  • Bill

    Why did the OP not put his arm rest up. I would have put that armrest down so that the middle guy wouldn’t fit. Then the flight attendant would have had to do her job…either bump the last guy to get on the plane, or check that the POS had a second ticket.
    I’m sorry, but if I’ve paid for an airline seat, I’m not interested in sharing it.

  • EB

    I’m curious as to exactly how large one must be in order to be deemed a ‘person of size’ by an airline. I am just under 5′ 5″ and weigh 119 lbs, but still I haven’t found airline seats to be roomy or comfortable since I was in elementary school. Most adult men and plenty of adult women are taller and heavier than I am, yet I still have to duck to get to the window seat and my knees are usually touching the seat in front of me. If the seats on planes were made to at least accommodate average size adults comfortably, there might be sufficient room for slightly larger passengers to fly without situations such as this occurring on a regular basis. I think the airlines would rather have passengers blame each other for their weight than provide adequate room, it’s not as if they don’t know that most people are cramped and uncomfortable in their seats.

  • Bill

    There is nothing said here about how Southwest needs to retrain the employees so that this does not happen again.

    The refund and voucher were a nice gesture, but isn’t the idea to ensure that this doesn’t happen again?

  • Sevenseat

    I am 6′ 3″ and weigh 235# and while the seats on many planes are uncomfortable, I do not consider myself a person of size, even on the 19 seat Fairchild Metroliners that Bearskin Airlines flys around Ontario and Manitoba.

    The problem I have with the POS issue is that no one has really come up with a standard. It is frequently up to each airline, and comes down to a judgment call by the flight crew or gate agent. I really appreciate the way Southwest handles this, “unable to lower both armrests (the definitive boundary between seats) and/or who compromise any portion of adjacent seating”. This would make a fine standard for all of the other airlines to follow.

  • SB

    I am a “passenger of size” (6.2 almost 400lbs. 56 waist) who can fit (somewhat) into one seat with the armrests down, but I always try to upgrade to biz class or get a second seat (since I always fly Spirit or AirTran, it’s easy… Either I buy another 39 dollar ticket, or pay 50-60 bucks to upgrade), for long-haul flights like DTW-LAX i buy a whole row…

    But, as a rule, I always wait in the back until the flight has loaded and I then I survey the flight to see where it will be the least painful for the other people. I usually sit in an aisle, so my body stretches into the aisle, and it only discomforts the stewardess with the cart (if any) once or twice the whole flight.

    I have in the past (in full flights, when I didn’t buy a second seat or get upgraded) just spent all the time (in which the seat-belt light is off) in the back, thus making it easier on the other passengers (and somewhat harder on the stewardess, but i just shoot the breeze with the fa’s so they aren’t bored, and don’t get annoyed by me).

    I could only recall once that I had an issue with a nasty passenger (when I was smaller) and a nastier fa and it was the last time I flew that airline…

  • kat Jenkinson

    it’s actually “tweeted”

  • http://www.cockam.com ajaynejr

    “I am X feet X and weigh X pounds and while the seats on
    many planes are uncomfortable, I do not consider myself a person of
    size, “The problem I have with the POS issue is that no one has
    really come up with a standard.” If no one else set a standard for
    that flight, then you set it. If you cannot sit down without
    touching someone who is off in the next seat then you get up and do
    what has to be done to correct that situation. Similarly the person
    next to you can set the standard for that flight, expecting to be
    seated a few more inches from you (practically speaking at least a
    few feet), or compensation for getting off and taking a later
    flight or expecting the airline to put off a standby passenger to
    free up another seat for him or for you. This is done prior to
    departure and, if necessary, in the presence of the captain and the
    complaint resolution officer, and preferably out of earshot of the
    person of size.