Cookie pricing “absolutely not” a Hotwire practice

If Hotwire didn’t rig its system to display higher prices based a user’s Web “cookies” — as it claimed in a recent post — then what happened to Matt Ilardo’s car rental quote? I asked Hotwire for an explanation, and today, it responded.

By way of background, Illardo saw two prices for the same product: $88 for a three-day rental in New York from one computer and $117 from another. His is the latest in a series of unanswerable questions about cookies and pricing from readers.

“I performed this test several times, and if I logged on after I got the cheaper price, I would find the cheaper price,” he told me. “If I cleared the cookies on the computer and re-did the search, I would get the cheaper price. And every time I was logged on and did the search under my name, I would get the more expensive price.”

Here’s the result of Hotwire’s investigation, according to company spokesman Garrett Whittemore:

Using customer information to generate increased price quotes is absolutely not a Hotwire practice. What happened to Matt was unusual. I can assure you that had he completed his transaction, he would have received our best available price at the time he chose to book.

First, I’d like to clarify a couple of business facts, both of which are common to most online retailers.

The inventory available through our site is dependent upon our suppliers’, and it can change quickly. Inventory drives price so our prices change as well. Also, when a customer logs in and initiates a search, the search results are cached for a short period of time. We cache search results to help avoid overloading our suppliers’ systems. And to improve results load time for our customers.

Matt’s initial search results showed $88 inventory. He was not logged in during this search so these results were not cached for his user account. He was indeed logged in during his second search, and we showed inventory at $117 – which was the lowest price option at the time.

This data was cached for his user account. During his third search he was not logged in and the $88 inventory was again available. While not unprecedented, it’s very unusual for inventory to come back that quickly, and even more unusual for it to come back again at the same cost. But at this point, any time Matt did a search while logged in; the site pulled his results from his user cache.

Any time that Matt decided to check out, regardless of whether his chosen result was cached or not, we would have pinged our supplier’s server and provided the best price available on our site at that time. His price could have gone up, down, or stayed the same vs. his search results, depending on the available inventory. If the $88 inventory was available, he would have received it, even if the price quoted was $117.

We absolutely understand Matt’s concern and want to address it. Bottom line: Hotwire is in the business of delivering great deals, and Matt would have seen our best possible price available for the car booking he wanted before he made his final purchase decision. I hope this is a concise but thorough explanation of a highly unusual situation that rarely occurs and is not part of our plan.

The explanation makes sense, and I believe Hotwire. But travelers don’t typically draw a distinction between a price that’s cached on their browser and the actual price that’s generated by a server. And in that sense, Ilardo’s experience with Hotwire remains somewhat problematic.

The bottom line for him is that Hotwire generated two different prices, something Hotwire doesn’t deny — but insists is “highly unusual.”

As long as this continues to happen, I think people will wonder what kind of role, if any, cookies play in generating price quotes. And some of the more ethically-challenged companies that don’t have Hotwire’s high standards may be tempted to exploit this client/server uncertainty.

  • James

    All they have to do is show the current price instead of the cached price. How hard is this?

  • Kevin

    If they pinged their supplier’s server each and everytime someone wanted a rate quote, or refreshed their page, etc… It would be extremely slow. Hotwire’s practice is suprisely smart given that the average user goes back and forth between pages fairly quickly and expects things to remain static in that timeframe. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t cache in his computer the results, regardless if he was logged in…

  • David Z

    All they have to do is show the current price instead of the cached price. How hard is this?

    As explained above, the price is dependent on the supplier’s system. Let’s just say that usually presents challenges, especially if the supplier’s system changes price quickly, more so if that happens when the user’s about to grab it on the spot.

    This is probably a poor attempt to simplify and explain, but high-traffic web sites use a lot of “computer resources” that tend to slow them down and create a potentially unpleasant experience. Some web sites create “caches” or copies of the searched-upon web page/s for sometimes a limited time to solve that problem, especially search engines like that of Hotwire or even the almighty Google. (which the latter can afford to spend like crazy given their deep pockets…)

    Then again, in my experience dealing with people who complain about the price suddenly jumping up while about to book online, arguably they don’t know, understand, or even care how these things work, and simply want to get results based on what they’re willing to pay. Not that they’re required to know, understand or care, anyway, and vendors deal with them as best as they can.

    It’s nice and good if the supplier, much more the travel agency or so, can “keep” the price as given when searched online. But of course, some (if not all) want to maximize their ability to make money, and some people tend to unrealistically expect the price to stay that way if they don’t book it there and then.

    Me, I don’t expect the price to stay that way when searching online but not getting it right there. Getting upset over things not within our full control makes me pull out whatever semblance of hair I have left.

  • Marian Marbury

    I would find this easier to believe if I had not had the exact same thing happen to me more than once. How “highly unusual” can this be?

  • Monica

    I understand how the cache system works, and it definately makes it easier to navigate pages, but it can make transactions frustrating. Like Marian, this has happened to me many times, as well as my friends, so I do not belive this is a “highly unusual” situation as they claim.

  • MJG

    I don’t believe Hotwire and find their response disingenuous, because I have noticed other websites do the exact same thing, among them SPG and Continental. It’s a common practice, and clearing your cookies is essential when doing online travel searching. Chris you should be more skeptical!

  • Tom

    I stopped using Hotwire for this very reason. If they DO come up with the best deal, I’ll use another computer to book, not even bothering to clear the cookies. They are guilty and they know it.

  • Carver

    @MJG

    I can’t speak for Continental, but I can speak for SPG. Clearing cookies with SPG clears preferences which often prevents lower prices from being displayed. Such preferences include bed type, smoking type, and SET number. Some of these preferences may still be access by SPG.com even if you are not logged in.

  • David Z

    From some of the comments denoting arguably understandable disbelief here, is it any surprise why some vendors like Hotwire are usually hesitant to comment online about things like these? Then again, I’m sure they know people aren’t required to believe anything they say, yet everyone will continue on with their business and their lives anyway.

    It’ll probably be one of those things we’ll never really know, inspite of seeming proof to the contrary. OTOH, one can learn from this and somehow make it work to their advantage, right?

  • Dan

    So, what im getting (and it seems others missed, unless im reading it wrong) is that the rep said that the price could go UP when you checkout, regardless of what you were initally qouted… How many happy customers does that one make?

  • David Z

    the rep said that the price could go UP when you checkout

    What the Hotwaire rep said was this:

    His price could have gone up, down, or stayed the same vs. his search results, depending on the available inventory.

    But no, it doesn’t create any happy customer if the price especially goes up midway. Unfortunately not all travel agencies have full control over their vendors’ prices, which is why they never guarantee prices until they’re finally booked and paid.

  • http://xrrf.blogspot.com simon hayes budgen

    Hang about… how can a price that has been *quoted* go up, down, sideways or backwards? A quote is a quote. An estimate might change, but what would be the value in estimating a price for a customer? How is that supposed to help them make a choice?

    To be honest, Hotwire’s explanation sounds pretty implausible anyway, and even the way they couch it makes it seem like they don’t even really expect anyone to believe it – “yeah, by a staggering coincidence, the supplier’s price was $88 whenever he cleared his cache and $117 when he was logged in – heh, computers, eh?”

    It’s insulting to expect people to buy things online if the retailer can’t promise to keep its price straight from one moment to another; if Hotwire can’t do this, it probably should sell off its computers and quietly disappear.

  • PZ3

    I have had Hotwire quotes change on me (mostly going up). It seems like if you re-search for the same hotel room or car several times they will up the price by a buck or two or five to eke out a few extra dollars in the bottom line knowing that if you are revisiting the page, you must be interested in buying that particular car/room/whatever. Also by going up slightly, you feel anxious that the availability is going down. I use Hotwire a lot and it has happened to me more than five times.

    So, I don’t buy the fact that Hotwire claims they don’t look at prior searches by the same user.

    That being said, I still use Hotwire often and find their prices reasonable especially if you use research sites like betterbidding.com to fine-tune your searches.

  • David Z

    how can a price that has been *quoted* go up, down, sideways or backwards?

    That’s the thing, Simon. Currently this is the only industry AFAIK where prices can change at the blink of an eye, and it’s definitely upsetting to see it go up midway.

    One dilemma here is the actual vendors themselves, airline or hotel, change their prices at whim. While Hotwire or whoever can promise low prices, they debatably have little to no control over them.

    Then again, Hotwire or whoever third party site never really promised they’d keep prices as they are. Why make promises one can’t keep, after all, except what they realistically could?

    Personally I don’t use Hotwire because I want to know what hotel or so I’m possibly considering and maybe research about them. But it seems many people don’t seem to care about that as long as they get it mainly on price.

    If that kind of market demand decreases or even ceases to exist, then likely so will Hotwire.

  • David Z

    Ooops, and stock prices can change too. :)

  • Mellie Mel

    We’ve used Hotwire for years now and have seen their pricing games. But we still use them because it’s a great deal and because we can usually guess which hotel it’s going to put us in. Of course the downside is that it’s not refundable.

    Regarding the pricing games, I never thought about cookies until reading this. However they’ll typically they’ll jack prices up a few dollars on the weekend. What we just discovered today is that it’s consistently quoting a higher price when I using IE than when I use Firefox. Do they think IE users are less likely to compare prices??!

  • http://www.clarkecomputer.com Charles Clarke

    As a computer geek, I can understand why they would cache the data to conserve resources. I also understand how easy it would be to manipulate the prices based on a cookie or other profiling. How do you determine how ethical a company is to determine which they are doing? Or do you have to find out from experience?

    If they are caching the price data and that is why the prices can change dramatically at check out, then they should make this very clear and show how stale the data is. GMT time if you aren’t logged in or your time zone if you are logged in. It could be in an unobtrusive link or it could be displayed next to the quote.

    At least, that way you’d know you were looking at last month’s (I’m being silly for emphasis) prices instead of today’s. Having a way besides check out to refresh the data would be nice also.

    At a minimum, disclosing their data caching time frame would be useful. It would let us know how useful their quotes are. I’m probably fine with 15 minutes. 1 day or longer and I have no confidence. In between….

    If you are price shopping, you could open multiple browser windows and compare that way. Then there would be no “returning” to a website. Though they could tell that you looked, waited an hour/day/whatever and then wanted to book. You could also check multiple browsers and/or computers. Mellie Mel’s comment on IE versus Firefox is interesting.

    I just tried my old Netscape 7.2 – hotwire.com popped up a modal dialog that said:

    ————————————————–
    You may not be able to see our low prices with an out-of-date browser. To ensure the best possible experience on the Hotwire.com site, we recommend upgrading to the most recent version of either Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, Apple Safari, or Google Chrome.

    While other browsers may work with our site, you may experience problems viewing web pages or booking successfully if you use an unsupported browser. You can download a new browser from one of the links below:

    Download the latest version of Internet Explorer
    Download the latest version of Mozilla Firefox
    Download the latest version of Apple Safari
    Download the latest version of Google Chrome
    ————————————————-

    Received the same car rental quote as I just got on IE. Though it is $7/day higher than 2 days ago (quoted for 5 weeks out).

    BTW, thanks for the explanation. That explains why I can never get the really good rates they display. Either that or they are doing bait and switch… How paranoid am I? :-)