Case dismissed: No ID? No flight

J. Gillula had a Southwest Airlines ticket from Oakland, Calif., to Baltimore last year. But he didn’t have his ID.

That shouldn’t have been a problem, at least according to the TSA. It allows passengers who don’t have identification to undergo a secondary screening.

But it was a problem.

After a long wait, and an interrogation by the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department, a Southwest airlines employee approached me and told me that I would not be able to fly that day.

When I asked who it was — the TSA or Southwest — that was denying me the right to travel, she clearly indicated that Southwest was denying me boarding, in the presence of several TSA employees who made no attempt to correct her.

I was then escorted back to the ticket counter, where the Southwest employee processed a refund for my round trip ticket; she did not, however, make any attempt to re-book me or provide me with alternate transportation.


That doesn’t seem right to Gillula, who believes Southwest shouldn’t have turned him down and owes him compensation for being denied boarding.

I know that if the reason for denying me boarding had been different (i.e. if the flight had been overbooked) then I would have been due additional compensation under federal law; it doesn’t seem to make sense that denying me compensation under this instance would be any different. For the record, the amount I have been asking for is precisely the amount I would be due had the flight been overbooked.

That sounds reasonable. TSA should have allowed him to board, and if Southwest wrongfully denied him boarding, it should compensate him. Right?

Well, I asked Southwest about his case. It reviewed all of its records relating to his incident. Here’s what it had to say:

All three files clearly state that it was the TSA who denied him boarding, not Southwest, because of their inability to verify his identity. A Customer Service Supervisor in Oakland processed the refund of his tickets because the TSA would not allow him to fly.

Customer Relations had our General Counsel department review his third request for additional compensation and our response to Jeremy and believe that Customer Relations handled the issue appropriately.

Specifically, and this was explained to him in our response, he was not permitted to fly by the TSA and his ticket was refunded by Southwest because he was not able to verify his identify per DOT Regulations 14 CFR Part 250.

The consistency through all is that our records maintain it was TSA’s call. I know this is not the answer he was seeking, but if he cannot verify his identify to satisfy the TSA, he is not due additional compensation (other than the refund of his roundtrip ticket, which he did receive) from the airline on which he’d hoped to fly.

I ran that answer past Gillula. Here’s his reaction:

It sounds like they’re changing their story, since in my last conversation with a Southwest employee (which I recorded since I was afraid something like this might happen), she admitted (several times) that it was Southwest who denied me boarding. If you want a copy or transcript of the recording, just let me know.

The Southwest employee did say they denied me boarding at the TSA’s request, but I still don’t understand why Southwest had to get involved at all. After all, if the TSA didn’t want me to fly then all they would have to do is keep me from going through the checkpoint. Why would they need to bring a Southwest agent over and have her tell me she was denying me boarding?

Additionally, Southwest’s claim that I was “not permitted to fly by the TSA and [my] ticket was refunded by Southwest because [I] was not able to verify [my] identify per DOT Regulations 14 CFR Part 250″ is completely bogus. DOT Regulations 14 CFR Part 250 is the chapter on oversales (which doesn’t apply because, as they said, the flight wasn’t oversold) and doesn’t even contain the words “identity” or “identification.”

This is a disappointing outcome for both of us. I had hoped Southwest would compensate him for denied boarding, and thought he had a strong case.

I was wrong.

For the rest of you reading this, remember to bring your ID to the airport when you fly. You don’t want this to happen to you.

  • Michael K

    Actually, I believe the sherriff/local police would HAVE to get involved if they were going to attempt ID verification (e.g. against local DMV or other govt databases by SSN etc.).  I’m pretty certain the TSA does not have the statuatory authority to conduct those kind of searches on their own.

  • DavidS

    Nope, not always. Been there when they’ve done it.

  • DavidS

    Moron? Great name…real creative “Guest”. Only morons and imbeciles use “Guest”.

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    Once again, the logical — and ethical — spirit of Americans in action:  ”It never happened to me, therefore it doesn’t happen!  And even if it did, I don’t care!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    Really, are you saying because it hasn’t happened to you, it never happened?  I had a screener penetrate me with a foreign object at a BWI checkpoint.  That is classified as rape in my state.  This assault has changed my life forever.  Despite my persistent attempts to get justice, no one ever apologized, no one was disciplined or retrained or charged with the crime that was committed.    I’m glad, really, I’m glad that you haven’t been sexually abused by a TSA screener yet.  I’ll even go so far as to wish this never happens to you, even if it means you may never have the compassion to care about all the other people that TSA has victimized.  I have spoken personally with dozens of men and women who described their shock, humiliation, pain and anguish after enduring unwelcome sexual touching at checkpoints.  I just read about a case of a 13-year-old girl traveling alone who called her mother having a crying fit after the TSA touched her breasts and genitals.  Think about that for a moment: a 13 year old girl, traveling alone and getting touched in the places her bathing suit covers by a stranger, and how you might feel if you were that girl’s parent. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    I think Southwest ought to get involved, because the TSA’s abuse is driving away its paying customers.

  • Michael K

    I’ve learned to always have the record locator or my FF# handy because the CC method very often does not work.  It could be because my cards usually have my middle initial and my FF accounts generally don’t.

  • AirlineEmployee

    Patsy 3 hours ago in reply to joshua82
    Because we live in a culture where it’s some other guys fault. =====================And Southwest employees are so busy powertripping instead of just trying to help the guy get where he was going.   Passengers can travel without photo ID as long as they have something with their name on it (credit card, company ID, library card).  Happens all the time and as long as the TSA can still process him/her through security, WN has no right to call the shots regarding the TSA.

  • TZ

    For real?!

    You bring ID to the airport.  Not even debatable.  This guy is a complete loser who can’t even take responsibility for his own actions. 

    That’s a huge problem in today’s society…adults who don’t/won’t/can’t take responsibility for their own actions….scary and sad at the same time…

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    Okay, wait, I’ll agree with you on this point – not everyone who flies gets the same treatment.  Some people who fly get molested.  Some people who fly get molested every time: Tom Sawyer and Jesse Ventura are two examples (medical issues). Some people walk through unscathed.  In fact, some of those people who have never experienced a patdown call the people who have been victimized “whiners”, even though they can have no idea what that particular violation would feel like.

  • Clare

    Wow, Raven, are you calling the hundreds and hundreds of Americans who have been left feeling violated, and in many cases WEEPING RIGHT IN THE AIRPORT after TSA molestation, all liars?  Just because it never happened to YOU?
    You do live on a very interesting planet… and speaking of travelling, I don’t even want to visit it.

  • Clare

    In Virginia, you used to be able to get a driver’s license without showing ID.  There was a provision allowing you to verify your identity through other means.  That’s how several of the Sept. 11 hijackers got driver’s licenses.  Needless to say, once this was discovered, Virginia closed that loophole pretty fast.
    Kind of ironic, then, that amid all this airport security-hysteria that is the fruit of Sept. 11, you can get on a plane without showing ID, isn’t it? 

  • Raven

    I’m sorry this happened to you, but what are you doing to stick it to them? 

    Have you sued the screener for penetrating you? Go file a small claims case for assault if you can’t get a lawyer to take it. Better yet, try and get the case on one of those daytime court shows. Why not make sure every news organization in the world knows that this suit is on the docket? 
    Because, as others have said, the airlines are not controlling the TSA. And, since our esteemed Congressmen are exempt from TSA screening, don’t expect them to deal with the problem. They don’t give a rat’s behind since it doesn’t affect them.

    BTW…Texas tried to make it illegal for them to pat us down here but the feds said they would shut down all air traffic and the state couldn’t deal with that.

  • Raven

    I’m sorry this happened to you, but what are you doing to stick it to them? 

    Have you sued the screener for penetrating you? Go file a small claims case for assault if you can’t get a lawyer to take it. Better yet, try and get the case on one of those daytime court shows. Why not make sure every news organization in the world knows that this suit is on the docket? 
    Because, as others have said, the airlines are not controlling the TSA. And, since our esteemed Congressmen are exempt from TSA screening, don’t expect them to deal with the problem. They don’t give a rat’s behind since it doesn’t affect them.

    BTW…Texas tried to make it illegal for them to pat us down here but the feds said they would shut down all air traffic and the state couldn’t deal with that.

  • Raven

    Not calling them liars, but I think Ms. Gentry’s “MY LABIA” posts were a bit over the top.

  • Raven

    Most airlines are NOT going to get involved, especially after Texas threatened to pass a law against the TSA. They simply cannot afford to. If you’re going to fight this, you need to change tactics. Go after TSA, not the airlines.

  • Raven

    I never said that. I just said that I have never experienced a patdown. I know others have. However, I feel Ms. Gentry was being way over the top with her “MY LABIA” on all her posts. 

  • Anna

    The procedure you’re describing is not just an Asian thing. Canada and Norway do something similar if
    you’re arriving from abroad and have a domestic connecting flight.  

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    An economic boycott would bring the airlines to their knees.  Business travelers may be forced to fly for work, but millions of people aren’t.  We have the power to change this.  But too many Americans, for all their talk of “freedom” and “democracy” and “values,” have a fainting spell at the mere thought of sacrifice.

    The civil rights movement would never have succeeded without economic boycotts.  (Neither did Gandhi.)  Money talks.  It always has and it always will.  If enough people refused to fly, the airlines would run screaming to Congress and demand that the TSA stop its abuse.  Things would change so fast your eyes would spin.

    But it’s going to have to get a lot worse, which it will, before that happens.

  • Raven

    Thank the Democrats for this flaw.

  • Raven

    Thank the Democrats for this flaw.

  • Raven

    Thank the Democrats for this flaw.

  • Raven

    But the flaw with that is that business travelers are the high revenue tickets. Families going to Di$ney spend less on all their tickets combined than your typical business traveler who buys a 3-day advance, unrestricted ticket.

    True, an economic boycott would hurt the airlines, but then wouldn’t the fed just bail them out again?

    I say go after the offending agency rather than the airlines.

  • Raven

    But the flaw with that is that business travelers are the high revenue tickets. Families going to Di$ney spend less on all their tickets combined than your typical business traveler who buys a 3-day advance, unrestricted ticket.

    True, an economic boycott would hurt the airlines, but then wouldn’t the fed just bail them out again?

    I say go after the offending agency rather than the airlines.

  • Raven

    But the flaw with that is that business travelers are the high revenue tickets. Families going to Di$ney spend less on all their tickets combined than your typical business traveler who buys a 3-day advance, unrestricted ticket.

    True, an economic boycott would hurt the airlines, but then wouldn’t the fed just bail them out again?

    I say go after the offending agency rather than the airlines.

  • Rachel K

    Honestly, I don’t think the airlines are losing out much at all. For everyone who refuses to buy a plane ticket because of this, there are 10 more who will. With airlines cutting capacity anyways, they have no trouble filling their seats and will see basically no impact.

    Nothing wrong with standing up for a cause like this, but not everyone will notice it as much as you hope.

  • Rachel K

    An economic boycott is not going to happen at all – most people out there simply don’t care enough to stop flying, and the 1% who do aren’t going to make enough of an impact to the airlines. If anything, the people who see it first would be airport authorities.

    And as has been said there are plenty of travelers who are going to fly anyways such as business travelers. If you want to drive everywhere rather than fly, the go for it, but don’t expect others to.

  • cjr

    Yes, it was. I thought that was obvious since I mentioned TSA and Southwest, but never the OP.

  • Jose Chavez

    Wait a minute.
    You bought the ticket in August 2010.
    The screening problems started around Thanksgiving 2010.
    You were flying to Austin in December of 2010.

    When was the original labia rubbing you experienced?

    Or are you saying that this occurred on the day you were to fly to Austin and you just decided not to fly after that?

    If it happened before, you had plenty of time to change your plans.

    SWA owed you nothing since you opted not to fly on the date you were supposed to fly.

    They did not opt not to transport you, you decided you didn’t want to be screened because of something that happened in the preceeding month. It’s the same thing as buying a ticket and not showing up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    I can understand that reading that word might be upsetting.  It’s even more upsetting to have that body part handled when one wasn’t expecting it, so the reasoning behind why I keep talking about this in such explicit and shocking terms is to make sure everyone knows what is happening at airports.  John Pistole has repeatedly refused to explain what an enhanced patdown is, and the standard script that screeners say when giving a patdown does not make it clear that this body part will be touched.  Susie Castillo, former Miss USA, who created an emotional video of her weeping reaction to being touched in this way, made it clear that she did *not* know that the screener would do this to her.  She was just standing there, and suddenly felt a stranger’s hands intentionally touching this body part, and burst into tears.  Her reaction is perfectly understandable, and I think it’s shameful that the TSA doesn’t make it clear to people what they are “consenting” to.  That’s why I keep saying this word.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry
  • DavidS

    http://www.moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=40&doc_id=28128

    “North American carriers saw May’s +4.5% demand growth fall to +2.4%. With tight capacity discipline, airlines there delivered a load factor of 85.3% – the highest among the regions.”

  • Anna

    Somehow these labia find their way into almost every story on this site. 

  • Michael K

    According to their Q & A’s they can use “public” and “commerical” databases themselves.  That would seem to rule out state DMV’s & US State Dept (passports).

    http://blog.tsa.gov/2008/07/id-q.html

  • Marny

    Now you are the one spewing filth.  Sommer Gentry was just stating facts, using the medically accurate term to refer to that anatomy.

  • Rachel K

    Don’t forget that costs went way up too, such that tickets are a lot more expensive. Nowhere in those articles does it say that people are doing this to avoid the TSA.
    Besides, what matters is that the airlines are making a profit, not that people are or aren’t flying with them. Until their profits drop explicitly because of the TSA, nothing’s going to change.

  • Robin

    And how is this any different? Anna is just stating facts too.

  • DavidS

    From the OP’s statements:

    The Southwest employee did say they denied me boarding at the TSA’s request

  • Jason @

    I also hope that you never lose your wallet so that you won’t come and complain that your airline won’t give you money when you get into an argument with the TSA

  • Jason @

    Agreed. We need more ‘stupid taxes’ in this country. Probably would balance the national deficit actually.

  • cjr

    Southwest apparently doesn’t like their customers.

    Crying woman kicked off plane
    http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/29/7197265-crying-woman-kicked-off-plane

  • Raven

    You know, I’ve been thinking about this case and I’m wondering if the OP wasn’t trying to travel on a “borrowed” ticket. I find it hard to believe anyone doesn’t have some kind of ID.

  • Raven

    There has to be more to that story than just “crying” and since they put her up in a hotel and transported her the next day…???

  • Anna

    What I find interesting about this story is that there are no mentions of threats of arrest, no cops escorting the sisters off the plane, etc…. Perhaps the flight attendant simply believed that for this woman’s own good, due to her agitated and/or overly emotional conduct, her inability to contain herself, she would be better off not flying anywhere that day?!

  • Anna

    Perhaps Elliott deliberately left out the reason this passenger had no ID to focus on whether the TSA or Southwest made the calls and how much compensation was due?

  • flutiefan

    i’m not sure if you’re in disbelief that it actually happens, or if you’re calling DavidS a liar.  either way, it IS true that no ID is actually required to fly.

  • flutiefan

    i haven’t heard of people arguing that they “should” be allowed to board without ID, just that they are ABLE to. it IS legal. not sure how many times it must be repeated.

  • flutiefan

    funny you call yourself “AirlineEmployee”, when if that’s the case then you would clearly know that SWA was NOT the one who decided this guy couldn’t fly. and even if they did decide that in another case, it is in their COC that customers can be refused transport if they fail to provide identification.

  • flutiefan

    Sommer, you have NOT stopped flying entirely.

  • flutiefan

    just because YOU FEEL Southwest “ought to” get involved does not mean that SWA should be required to give you a refund.