Carnival kicks mother and son off Christmas cruise

This is Rebecca Dickerson and her son, Jordan. A few days ago, they were cruising to the Bahamas on the Carnival Fascination. But last week, they were removed from the ship in a “shocking” turn of events, according to Rebecca Dickerson.

Their nightmare began shortly after boarding the vessel on Dec. 10 in Jacksonville, Fla. On the first day, Dickerson reports that her room was burglarized.

Her son picks up the story,

We obtained door key card documents showing that someone had been going in and out of my mother’s room without authorization, both when she was out of the room and attempting to get in when she was sleeping in the room. I myself witnessed an employee attempting to override the deadbolt on my mother’s door and enter while she was asleep.

Despite of the blatant evidence, the ship’s crew covered for all of their coworkers, and we were ultimately blamed for everything.

My mom was moved to place a chair in front of her door to feel somewhat safe at night. When she voluntarily told this to the second in command of the ship – the captain’s right hand man – she was told that she was in violation of the ship’s rules, and she was chastised in front of crew and passengers.

The Dickersons reported the incident to local police when they arrived in the Bahamas, which made the ship’s security personnel “very angry,” according to Jordan Dickerson.

And that’s when they were removed.

The Nassau police came on board, but upon the initiation of filing a report, the ship’s second-in-command told us that we were being thrown off of the ship, and put an end to the police interview.

It was obvious to us that we were not given the opportunity to exercise our rights in filing a police report. We were forced off of the ship in a different country with nowhere to stay, no way to get home, and no information to go about doing so.

When we asked the ship’s senior security officer who delivered the news to us that we were being thrown off the ship, how we were to get back to the U.S., the second in command simply responded by saying “that’s not my problem.”

On several occasions, the Fascination’s security personnel mocked the Dickersons, they say. At one point during the dispute, the ship also cut off the passenger’s line of credit, preventing them from being able to buy basic necessities.

“We were stuck on a ship with no allies, no justice, and no way to purchase something as simple as Tylenol or water — all because the people in authority on the ship seemed to rule the vessel with an iron fisted Napoleon complex,” Jordan Dickerson told me.

Carnival’s side

I checked with Carnival on Friday and it filled in some of the missing details. Here’s what a representative had to say about the Dickersons:

When Ms. Dickerson reported that her wallet was stolen, normal procedures were followed including an investigation by the shipboard security team, completion of a formal report, examination of lock link readings and a search of her cabin with her permission.

The comprehensive cabin search did not turn up the wallet. A lock link reading produces a record of every time a cabin is entered and what key card was used to access the cabin. The reading indicated that the only keys used to access the cabin were hers and her cabin steward’s.

Ms. Dickerson requested that for the remainder of her cruise, no one access her cabin other than herself. Shipboard team members were advised accordingly.

Later that day, she informed the shipboard staff that she found her wallet under a towel on her bed. She indicated that everything was intact other than $250. She insisted that someone must have re-entered the cabin to return the wallet but kept the $250.

Another lock link reading was done which clearly demonstrated that she was the only person who had accessed her cabin between the time the cabin search was done and when she allegedly discovered the wallet. When presented with the lock link documentation, she aggressively snatched it from a staff member and stuffed it in her cleavage.

Throughout the situation, Ms. Dickerson was repeatedly profane, vulgar and abusive towards the staff.

The level of profanity and verbal abusiveness escalated to a point where the ship’s captain made the decision to disembark Ms. Dickerson during a scheduled port call in Nassau.

Despite her extremely inappropriate behavior having been the root cause of her disembarkation in Nassau, in the interest of exceptional customer care, Carnival covered the cost of flights home for her and her son.

OK, slightly different story. I asked the Dickersons to review Carnival’s rebuttal. Rebecca Dickerson responded:

Sadly, but not surprising, they appear to be choosing to assassinate my character rather than dealing responsibly and professionally with me.

Please know the only reason I have pursued this complaint and was compelled to file a police report was due to this type of bullying behavior.

I ensured them all that I was not at all concerned about the missing cash. Apparently, I should have been grateful that my items were returned, even though they would not take one ounce of responsibility and instead accused me of this whole matter.

At that time, I informed them that it was my responsibility to file a police report with Bahama authorities given Carnival’s gross indifference toward customer safety. Little did I know that I would be punished for exercising my rights.

At no time was I abusive, vulgar or profane against staff. This is blatantly false and obviously a juvenile attempt to deflect responsibility by the onboard personnel who in fact were abusive to me and my son, laughing in our faces regarding this stressful situation, suspending my purchasing privileges without telling me, and finally kicking us off the ship immediately after Nassau police came on board to investigate and invite me to file a police report at the local station.

This infuriated David Perinciola, staff captain. After the police left my cabin area, Mr. Perinciola said “you are off this ship”. Within a few minutes, security Rajendra Negi and James Desouza returned to my cabin with Carnival letters stating we were being evicted from ship and prevented from ever taking another Carnival cruise.

We were in shock to be treated in such a manner as a result of our wanting to file a police report. When I asked these Carnival security members how my son and I were to get home to the states, they told me that is “not their problem”.

Thankfully, the Nassau police and the Ministry of Tourism were not amused by the behavior of Carnival personnel. The chief of police immediately got on the phone to the ship’s agent and demanded that they (Carnival) take responsibility to take care of us while in Nassau and get us home safely.

We have been assured by the Nassau authorities that this incident is being escalated and are continually corresponding with me. It was at that point in time that Carnival accepted my calls and arranged for travel back to Nashville.

Regardless of whose side you believe, I think we can all agree that no one wanted it to end this way. This had been the Dickersons’ Christmas present to themselves, and they ended up stranded in a foreign country. And Carnival must be unhappy, too. No one needs this kind of PR.

The Dickersons have contacted me to see if I can mediate their dispute, but I’m not sure whether my involvement will help. I could ask Carnival to refund their fare, but given the cruise line’s account of what happen, I’m not sure if it will budge.

  • Anonymous

    I see NOTHING even in Carnival’s own account to support your claims.

  • Anonymous

    The Police could NOT force a cruise line to pay monies to the client to fly them home.  They only thing they can do is take a report, investigate, and either hold the ship or release it.  Since Carnival didn’t even MENTION the authorities, and the only crime report they talk about is the one they took from the client originally, I’m fairly skeptical about her whole story here.  Besides, if she REALLY had the Bahamian authorities working on this case, what in heaven’s name would she expect Chris to do for her in addition to this?

  • Bryan Kilian

    No one had to phony docs. It’s relatively easy to clone a magnetic card, so the door link info doesn’t prove anything at all.

    I don’t know who is in the right on this one, but if it had been me breaking into the rooms, I’d clone the occupants card.

  • Anonymous

    No – but I have dealt with clients many times, and where there is ONE lie (we were stranded – oops! not true), there are usually others.  PLUS – if the bahamas officials are REALLY handling this case, why does she need Chris to intervene as well?  Does she want a big payday?  Her story is the one which has changed, not Carnival’s.  So my belief is there is a reason for it – she’s a liar!

  • Anonymous

    HAHA – got any specials to share then?  :)

  • Anonymous

    Then she COULD have put it in the safe – and set her own password for it – and eliminated the problem in the first place!

  • Anonymous

    It may not have been the middle of the night – he may have been trying to access the room for turndown.  But I liked the comment about the meds – works for me!  After all, Carnival told one story, she’s told several.  Leads me to doubt her.

  • Anonymous


    people file false police reports ALL THE TIME

    —-

    Do you have a source showing what proportion of police reports are false?  

    There are plenty of well-documented cases of employees covering up bad behavior.  Happens “all the time” — some of us have even witnessed it first hand.

    That doesn’t necessarily mean that’s what Carnival did in this case either.

    Sounds like you’re injecting personal prejudices.

  • Anonymous

    Police could NOT force a cruise line to pay monies

    Which is why I wrote “pressure from govt authorities.”  That can be a little more persuasive than a pair of passengers.  And if the police chief saw fit to advocate forcefully on behalf of the passengers, that should tell us something.
     
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    what in heaven’s name would she expect Chris to do for her in addition to this?

    —-

    If it was me, and the essential facts were like the OP’s describe, then I would want to shine as much light on the case as possible and I would want as many people as possible to know, especially anyone who might be in a position to help.

  • Anonymous

    I think Dorothy said it best when she said, “I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore Toto!”
    When you are on a cruise ship, you are *NOT* in America! As such, you are governed by far *FAR* different laws…As an American, it pains me to say this, but Americans go to foreign lands and fully expect that US laws apply to them for the sole reason that they are US citizens! Uh, *WRONG*. When in a country other than the USA, you are at the mercy of the laws of whereever you happen to be. Pure and simple!

  • http://twitter.com/guy999 guy999

    i wouldn’t take the case, was this a case of someone trying to extort money out of a cruise line because it feels like that.

  • Anonymous

    Both sides left out details.  I fail to see where either side contradicted themselves.

    We don’t have enough detail about the precise time-lines or about the locklink system (which is programmed and operated by human beings — garbage in / garbage out) to rule much out.

  • http://www.pipdigital.com Nancy Dickinson

    *SIGH* Based on the fact she was, for all intents and purposes, abandoned in a foreign country.  Carnival only did the right thing when the local police and tourism board demanded they do so.

    I’ll be honest, I do believe there is some hyperbole involved on the part of the OP but the response from Carnival sounds like a cop-out to me.  It’s too easy for them to say, “We were GREAT, it was the passenger who ran rough-shod over every one.”

    Customer service has gone so far downhill with the employees leaping at the chance to point the finger at the customer.

    I was on a call once with our insurance agent (USAA) when they told me an accident caused by another person (long story – they came from a side road and didn’t stop)) who hit my husband was being found against my husband.  My reaction was, “Are you flippin’ kidding me?”  (exact words but with more incredulity than is expressed in print) to which the reply I got was, “Mrs. Dickinson – if you’re going to be verbally abusive and use swear words, I’m terminating this call right now.”

    Where did I swear?  Where was I verbally abusive?

    It’s too easy for the company to take this tact and while I don’t buy the entire story from the OP, hook, line and sinker, I sure don’t buy the story from the cruise line either.  They have a MUCH greater motivation to lie than does the OP.

    And as far as proven allegations – why is it you, dear reader, DEMAND proof from the OP regarding her actions but nothing from the cruise line?  You wouldn’t work for Carnival, would you?

  • Anonymous

    Does she want a big payday?

    If she does, then I would have expected her (not Carnival) to bring up the $250.  And I wouldn’t expect her to state that she “was not at all concerned about the missing cash.

    You keep insisting that she lied, but all she did was quote the ship’s 2nd officer.  She left out relevant details she shouldn’t have, but you apparently have no problem with Carnival leaving out relevant details.

  • Anonymous

    The Nassau police came on board, but upon the initiation of filing a report, the ship’s second-in-command told us that we were being thrown off of the ship, and put an end to the police interview. 

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    I would like to know if the Nassau police can corroborate that sequence of events.

    *IF* that’s true (and Carnival’s account does not directly contradict it) , then IMO Carnival has quite a bit of explaining to do.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    Michael let’s look at motivation…
    According to you, over $250 Carnival decided to fire a customer permanently. They also lost any of the ancillary income they would have derived from this cruise and income from future cruises plus any income they would have received from the friends of the people just given the boot (would you ever travel Carnival if they were your friend?). In an industry that is known for throwing employees off at the next port for the mere suspicion of wrong doing. Carnival had everything to lose from their actions. Based on the one Carnival cruise I took where it was closer to a 7 day drunken frat party than a relaxing vacation, I would say that the OP would have to become VERY abusive for Carnival to take the action they did.
     
    Again, all of this for $250. I’d imagine that Carnival had projected that they would make more than that on them on the single cruise they were on. If there was any indication that they might be in the wrong, do you really think that the cruiseline wouldn’t have thrown $250 at them just to make them happy? That is an incredibly small amount.
     
    You oppose this with an OP that has conveniently left out facts (ummm like the one where Carnival paid to fly them home regardless if they were forced to or not). When Carnival presented their case, she opted to play the victim card (look they’re being mean to me again) instead of attempting to refute what Carnival said she adds to the story again. Sorry but her whole follow on letter sounds like someone in a lawsuit and looking for the big pay day.
     
    Honestly, the reads like another person trying to get Chris to twist an arm for something they don’t deserve.
     
    Chris stay away… Stay very far away or make sure that your attorney’s retainer is up to date. You might be next.

  • Anonymous

    Can you say “grifters”?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Book early, book often :)

  • Anonymous

    Your fallacy is that you equate the motivation of Carnival as a company with the motivation of the crew members who had to deal with the OP’s complaint.  

    If the OP’s were so abusive, what was the motivation for aborting the police interview and waiting until that point to kick off the passengers?  If that’s the way it happened, there is no defensible motivation for that.

  • Anonymous

    Are you a friend of the family? A relative? She likely had the wallet all the time or had it stashed in the son’s cabin. I’d be very interested in knowing if there are similar incidents in this duo’s past.

  • Anonymous

    We have only the OP’s word that the police intervened. Until I see the paperwork . . .

  • D Ruis

    “We have been assured by the Nassau authorities that this incident is being escalated and are continually corresponding with me. It was at that point in time that Carnival accepted my calls and arranged for travel back to Nashville. ”

    I think that the correspondence of the Nassau authorities might be the crucial difference here between the two stories.

  • Anonymous

    Are you affiliated with Carnival or with the travel industry?

    I’m a regular reader of this blog with no dog in this fight other than frustration with the “blame the payday hungry victim” mentality that pervades the comments here in spite of well documented cases (Exhibit A: the recent Syracuse abuse scandal) that should give us pause and reason to tread more carefully.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    If this is true, she’s lied so many times I’ve lost track, why does she need Chris?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4AMV2JHTEN5BWPEEO6NTSXY6SA ChrisP

    I was going to reply to several of your points, but your last sentence is just ridiculous and shows that you’re not really interested in analyzing this.  That’s like me saying, “Why are you siding with you? Are you her sister?  Her cousin?  Are you sure you’re not her daughter, hmmm??”

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    It took an action by the captain to have her barred from the ship. Not some flunky. I’m so glad that you think that this conspiracy extends to the Captain, who by definition is a senior manager in Carnival. He was prepared for all of this bad publicity over $250.

    Please!

  • http://www.pipdigital.com Nancy Dickinson

    There’s analyzing to reach a somewhat logical opinion, which is what I am doing based on my life experiences.

    Then there’s over anal-lyzing, beating it to death from every angle until you’ve gone off on so many tangents everyone is lost – which is what you are doing.

    And calling it analyzing is most ridiculous – who are you?  Carl Sagan?

    It’s a flippin’ consumer column, not an impaneled group of experts for a talk show.  Get over it already and move on!

  • Anonymous

    Was it the ship’s captain or was it the staff captain — David Perinciola —  with the ship’s captain possibly acting as a rubber stamp.

    I don’t think you know any better than I do.  

    And aborting a police interview would be inappropriate IMO no matter who did it, even if it was the CEO.

  • Anonymous

    Chris Elliott– can you confirm if this is the same account you quoted from (Dec 14 2011):

    http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/carnival-cruise-lines-davide-perinciola-nashville-c65858.html
    If this is accurate, the OP’s WERE stranded for *5* days, and they DO mention that they were accommodated by the airline after police advised them  they were entitled to this and worked with the ship’s agent in Nassau.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    I can’t confirm that, because he doesn’t use his full name, but it appears to match what Jordan sent to me. 

    I published what the Dickersons sent me practically verbatim. Also, they sent their account to me by email.

  • Anonymous

    Lindabator , John Baker , mikegun  :

    Chris Elliott wrote that he asked Carnival for their account of this incident last Friday (that would  be Dec 16).

    You can read an unedited, uncropped version of the OP’s account that was posted on Wednesday Dec 14 here:
    http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/carnival-cruise-lines-davide-perinciola-nashville-c65858.html 

    and posted on Thursday Dec 15 here:
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/cruise-ships/carnival-cruise-line/carnival-cruise-lines-davide-p-230e7.htm 

    The OPs do indeed disclose that they were finally “provided proper services” — including a flight home– but only after several days and only after the police captain personally demanded this from the ship’s agent in Nassau.

    I think each of you owes this couple an apology for your faux-certain accusations that they “lied” and “changed their story” and supposedly tried to hide the fact that Carnival ultimately paid for their return airfare. 

    But I’m not holding my breath.

  • Anonymous

    A few things cross my mind.  In many islands a round trip ticket is required for entry, if this is the case in the Bahamas, then Carnival quite likely may have been responsible for the returning the passengers to the US.  This should not have required intervention by the Bahamian authorities.  
    Perhaps there is a problem with the ship’s security staff and others are covering?  Most institutions with a private security force dread any contact with the local authorities. IMHO, when the passenger mentioned filing an official report, they possibly would do almost anything to discredit the passenger and keep a clean record.  There’s a lot that goes on in resorts that isn’t officially reported, and even police invesitations sometimes are kept quiet in order to not alarm tourists. 

    I don’t think this is a situation suitable for mediation, though would love to know the result of the Bahamian police investigation.  Perhaps they’ve had other complaints and this is not an isolated incident. 

  • Anonymous

    I have never, not will I ever, take a cruise.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Mike,
    There are other posts about the same cruise

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/travel/carnival_cruise_lines.htm 

  • Anonymous

    Ha, I was going to ask her that before you did.  Clearly something going on there.

  • Anonymous

    Ha, I was going to ask her that before you did.  Clearly something going on there.

  • Anonymous

    Um, s/he wrote two sentences…and you wrote two novels.  Someone is definitely a bit unhinged here and it’s not ChrisP….

  • Anonymous

    Um, s/he wrote two sentences…and you wrote two novels.  Someone is definitely a bit unhinged here and it’s not ChrisP….

  • http://www.pipdigital.com Nancy Dickinson

    I make this succinct:

    Backprop – you got your psychology degree where?  Or is it you’re just the one who suffers from being ‘unhinged’ so imagines you see it everywhere.

    Others – I only just noticed the OPs last name and mine were similar – not related, have no clue whom they are, just a coincidence.

    If looking for what’s fair makes it seem I’m “unhinged” or slanted, well, I feel sorry for those of you who are just too jaded to imagine a company such as Carnival really CAN and DOES mess up this badly, sometimes.

    Funny how I use logic and my detractors use name-calling.  School yard tactics – I’m not surprised.

  • Anonymous

     Exactly.  To think that a cruise line would leave a passenger (and pay dearly to have it shipped back home) to cover up a supposed $250 theft is pretty ridiculous. It could happen, I guess, but nothing about the OP’s story rings true.  The fact that Chris had to go back to her to get some semblance of truth leads a logical person to assume she’s a whole lot of trouble.

  • Anonymous

    They do look kind of similar! ;)  (Actually the OP looks like trouble to me, but what are first impressions…)

  • Ann Lamoy

    The thing is-we don’t have any corroboration from an unbiased third party-namely the Nassau police. If a report from them was provided stating the events as happened reported by the OP, then I would be more inclined to take them at their word. As it is, I think the truth lies somewhere in between the two stories. I think that the wallet was mislaid, the OP found it and was embarrassed and “found it” under a towel. I also think she probably was loud and probably foul-mouthed towards the security people. And it is entirely possible that they treated her with a lack of courtesy as she indicated.

    The posts you linked are entirely posts from her-or her point of view. Which of course are going to paint her in the best light. As would anything from Carnival Cruise at this point. Which is why independent third party witnesses or a police report is what needed to really know exactly what happened.

    As to whether or not they refused to fly her home until the police intervened? That is something that could be proven by a police report. Which is what I would like to see. But I don’t think this is something that Chris should mediate. If the OP wants further satisfaction, she needs to take it up with the cruise line-possibly in small claims court.

  • Ann Lamoy

    That’s what I am saying. You would think that she would send Chris a copy of the paperwork she received  or at least some of the correspondence she claims they are continuing with. If I were Chris, I would demand that in order to consider any kind of mediation. But then again, I’m not Chris *g*

  • Ann Lamoy

    Chris-according to this from Ms. Dickerson “We have been assured by the Nassau authorities that this incident is being escalated and are continually corresponding with me.”-have you seen any police reports or any of this correspondence from the Nassau authorities? Because this would go a long way to making her claims more credible. I think if she can send you those and they hold more weight as to making her story fit a lot more than it does now, you should then consider mediating.

    If she can’t send you these documents, I vote stay away because it become a big case of she said/they said and frankly, her story stinks a lot more than theirs does.

  • Anonymous

    we don’t have any corroboration from an unbiased third party

    That didn’t stop the commenters I refer to above from making bold, unequivocal accusations that the OP’s lied about their flights and tried to hide that Carnival ultimately paid for them.  We can now plainly see from the sequence of the links above that those strong accusations were unfounded.

    One of the few things it appears we can corroborate are the entry requirements for the Bahamas.  As @IslandGirl4500:disqus astutely points out, and as appears to be supported by official sources (http://nassau.usembassy.gov/entry_requirements.html), an onward ticket is required for entry.  Which very likely means that the cruise line was legally responsible for the passenger’s onward/return transportation.  Which would completely support the OP’s account and put to shame the cruise line’s claim that they covered this “in the interest of exceptional customer care”

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    she needs to take it up with the cruise line-possibly in small claims court.

    That would probably cost the OP’s more than they stand to gain, because Carnival can only be sued in Miami, FL — even for small claims: http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/gary/article_769b93f7-16e5-59d2-83ee-c0afd0ccddf1.html

    So if you sincerely want 3rd party verification (or refutation), I would think you would be in favor of *someone* doing some investigative reporting.  I doubt many of the commenters here would be satisfied with (for example) a copy of a police report produced by the OP’s themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/niltiac Caitlin Fitzsimmons

    As it stands, I don’t think you can mediate. If you get evidence or verification from the authorities in Nassau then I think you can, and should. 

    She probably was abusive – but then again they probably did mock her too. No one comes out well here. 

  • Anonymous

    Why? Based on the facts presented in the original post I stand by my comments, which Chris solicited BTW.

    The articles you reference were posted later. Please apologize to Lindabator, John Baker and me for calling us out.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Interesting that the story on this website starts the same, but also has a different ending.  Now three different stories from the OP.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Interesting that the story on this website starts the same, but also has a different ending.  Now three different stories from the OP.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSW6Y735Q2LBC5CSZUZBVTTYEQ JT

    So even though you misunderstood the facts, you still stand by your comments.  What a big man you are! 

    FYI, you don’t deserve an apology until you issue one first.