Can this trip be saved? They overbooked my cruise and all I got was a refund

Beth Mann and her husband were looking forward to a European cruise they booked through Vantage Travel for months. They’d been preparing for her ports of call in Helsinki, St. Petersburg and Tallinn by reading books on Russia and the Baltics.

But then the hammer fell on their plans.

A few weeks ago, they received a call from Vantage. “Oops, we’re sorry,” a representative told them. “We overbooked.”

Never mind that they’d already paid $11,920 for cabin 246 on the MS Tolstoy. The Manns weren’t going.

Vantage offered the couple a full refund. But Beth Mann isn’t sure if that’s enough.

“Does Vantage’s word have any value?” she asked me.

She added,

To add insult to injury, our Vantage travel packets arrived the day after the phone call with the final information on flights, itinerary, and even the names of our travel guides and my platinum member card.

Talk about pouring salt in the wound.

Of course, I thought upon receiving the packet, the phone call must have been a mistake. When I inquired, I received a very curt reply, “There has been no mistake!” I was also told, “Everyone overbooks!” Of course, our mothers’ told us that because “everyone else does it”, that is no excuse for bad behavior.

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It’s true, overbookings happen. In fairness to Vantage, I’m almost certain its representative didn’t just say “Oops, we’re sorry” or blow her off when she called back — but that’s what it felt like to her. Just as bad.

Does she deserve more?

Is there a precedent for additional compensation? Well, if the tables were turned and Mann had tried to cancel, here’s what she would face (PDF). She can’t just take her money and run; Vantage would charge her cancellation fees and other penalties.

Shouldn’t Vantage offer something similar when the roles are reversed?

In a perfect world, yes. But in the real world, it’s uncommon for a company to step up and take responsibility for its overbooking mistakes unless it’s obligated to by law. If Vantage were an airline, and the Manns were involuntarily denied boarding, then the Transportation Department would step in. But weeks in advance, even the government requires either a refund or a flight of the passenger’s choosing — but no financial compensation.

Mann wants to know how something like this could be prevented. I don’t know. Telling her to avoid a popular cruise seems silly. It’s popular because people like it, but that’s no reason to stay away from it.

Should I try to recover more than a refund for her?

Update (9/27): Vantage has responded.

I was sorry to read of Ms. Mann’s dissatisfaction with Vantage. I certainly understand her disappointment, and we hate having to change anyone’s reservation.

I wanted to share some details you might find helpful. In the event of an overbooking, our travelers are given a few options. They can move to another program, or reschedule the same program at another time with a discount and price protection.

If travelers are not able to change their travel plans, we give them a full and expedited refund and $500 per person. In the Manns’ case, they chose to cancel for full refunds, and were also reimbursed for their visa expenses in early August.

(Photo: Joha ndk/Flickr)

  • Anna

    If Mann had had additional expenses we’d probably have heard about it; Elliott usually doesn’t leave out details in the plaintiff’s favour. Plus the trips sound all-inclusiveish on the website. What’s fair compensation? As a starting point I’d say the reciprocal equivalent of the company’s cancellation fees… but, realistically, how many hours is Mann prepared to spend on the phone for a bonus voucher for a free trip to a Finnish sauna or whatever? She could also just decide to take her business elsewhere and bitch about Vantage travel to all her friends…

  • Tony A.

    For this specific cruise, I think Vantage  exclusively chartered the WHOLE SHIP for the season or seasons. AMA is using a newer MS AmaKatarina for their own tours. So Vantage has FULL CONTROL of all the bookings in that boat! They are 100% to blame.

  • Martin

    “Everyone overbooks – or they go out drastically short most times. Its not about making more money, its about utilizing the full ship versus going out empty.”
    __________________________

    But this wasn’t normal overbooking because the cruise had already mailed them their final packets, indicating that even in the cruise’s eyes they were effectively “on board.”  Something came up at the 11th hour and I’m betting the cruise sailed with somebody in their cabin who paid more than $11K. 

  • Martin

    Good points. Negotiating a good settlement would likely end up leaving an even worst taste in their mouths than they have already.

    I find it very strange there weren’t any better offers sent their way. It’s odd because you’d expect good customer service from a higher end provider, but it’s also counterproductive given they’re now going to have to sell a cabin on a future cruise from scratch while they had a couple here who’d already paid them $11K to cruise with them. 

  • Martin

    “Nothing in the article says how far in advance they booked nor how far in advance they were cancelled.”

    They got their final packet the day after they were bumped, so it doesn’t appear they were canceled months and months in advance. And the mailing of a final packet suggests something major came up on the cruise’s end of things. A big-time clerical error where they didn’t realize they were overbooked until the 11th hour? A last-minute deal where they were able to rent out the entire ship? 

    But, regardless why or when they were bumped, it’s very strange there was no carrot offered to them to get them onto a different cruise. These days the segment of people willing to fork over that kind of money on a river cruise is smaller than ever and the cruise literally had to take their money out of the bank and refund it to them while basically telling them “We don’t care if we never hear from you again.”  That makes no sense.

  • Anonymous

    You are my new hero.  Seriously, you got the company president’s maid on the phone?  You’re good.

  • http://profiles.google.com/saucywench S E Tammela

    Goodness me. You can take the local cruise ferries between those three ports for well under $100 for each leg, and well under $200 for a lovely room on each leg. Skip the cruise, just fly in, stay in a nice hotel in Helsinki like Hotel Kamp, and visit the free local tourist office here in the city where the city-provided travel guides speak excellent English. Almost $12,000… honestly, count your lucky stars that you got a full refund from a RIPOFF cruise company.

  • Lmhpsyd

    In addition to the uneveness of response if the customer wants a last minute cancellation or change, is the reality that even with a refund, these people now need to make last minute bookings for a new vacation (much more costly than making plans ahead of time) or re-schedule their vacation, which is not often possible.

    I work in healthcare where I need to schedule time off 6-9 months ahead of time. If I have a last minute cancellation of a vacation, I’m stuck with that time.  

    I once had a connecting flight changed that significantly interfered with my vacation.  The airline “offered” to refund my flight and cancel the remaining leg, “allowing” me to re-schedule my flights one week before my Caribbean vacation in February.  A $400 airfare was now $1200. 

    If overbooking was treated like involuntary bumping on airlines, companies would be more careful/reasonable.

  • http://dreamtravelblog.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/dolphins-rock/ James in Phnom Penh

    People like the OP normally book far in advance to get a preferred cabin or pricing. Cancelling on them like this makes it difficult for them to find a comparable cruise. So, I think more than the $500 pp is needed, preferably also a discount on a future cruise. What’s to stop this from happening again with the same cruiseline (unlikely but possible).

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  • Lindaco12

    Vantage is not a “cruise line” it is a travel company that sells many kinds of trips.  Also, I would be curious if the Mann’s had paid the trip in full, in cash at a very early date to save money off the cost.  If so, Vantage had their money for quite a while before it was actually due and earned some interest on it.  If it was by credit card, then that was not the case. 
    I am aware of overbooking with guarantee cabins, but the Mann’s were assigned a cabin number so it was totally unacceptable of Vantage to do this to the Mann’s.

  • Juan

    Probably the cruise line got more money out of another booking for the same cabin.

  • http://www.imigyled.com/product/mian LED Ceiling Light

    The refund is obviously not enough. Think how much time the couple had spent on the planning and preparation, and how disappointed when they found they did all for nothing!

  • Anonymous

    Because of the Vantage overbooking policy, I NEVER plan to travel with this
    company again. We booked a trip to Portugal over a year in advance (7/2010 for a trip in 10/2011). At that time
    we were placed on a wait list which cleared in September 2010 and paid in full in March 2011. We received a phone call 30 days before the
    trip (9/2011) informing us that the trip was overbooked and we would not be
    vacationing with our 8 friends/relatives.  We were VERY upset
    and disappointed to receive this information with no warning. Vantage informed us that we still be receiving all of the travel informaion but we actually had been bumped. Vantage
    was able to ‘bribe’ someone else off the trip & we did enjoy it but the
    overbooking fiasco put a pall over our enjoyment. Vantge did not get our
    names on the boat’s booking and we sat alone in the lounge while frantic phonecalls were made.