Can this trip be saved? Cheated by half a star on my New Orleans hotel

Half a star may not sound like much to the average hotel guest, particularly when there are no nationally-recognized hotel rating standards in the United States. But it means the world to Sandi Tanner, who is planning her 20th wedding anniversary in New Orleans.

Hotwire offered her a pre-paid, nonrefundable room at The Inn on Bourbon, which TripAdvisor gives three stars and AAA rates as three-diamond. Even Hotwire gives it a three-star rating at the time of her booking.

Just one problem: She paid for a 3.5-star room.

Now, before you say, “What’s half a star among friends?” consider what fudging half a star rating can mean to a business. Putting guests in slightly cheaper hotels can translate into millions of dollars of additional revenue per year. It’s like skimming a little off the top. It adds up.

Tanner, though disappointed, at first did what the average hotel guest would do: she went along with it.

“I would take the hotel,” she told me. “But it won’t work with me. The woman I spoke with had a very uncaring attitude even when I explained the situation. On the hotel’s own website they are still offering non-smoking king rooms, but according to her they are out of them. How is this possible?”

A downgraded hotel, forced to stay in a smoking room for her 20th anniversary. There’s got to be a better way, right?

Hotwire has fixed a similar problem in the past, when asked to reconcile a half-star difference. She though the online agency would see things her way, too.

So Tanner sent a brief, concise email to Hotwire, asking it to reconsider its hotel selection. Just as a reminder, Hotwire is a so-called “opaque” site — you choose the star rating, location and price, and it picks the property. All rooms are non-refundable. Tanner suggested they send her to a higher-rated hotel that was offering rooms for less than the one she’d paid — a “win-win” in anyone’s book.

Hotwire didn’t agree.

Some hotel brands, like the Ramada, feature properties in multiple star-rating categories because the rating is not based on the chain’s overall value, but rather on each individual hotel. Not all Ramada properties can fall into the same star-rating category, as each property has its own unique features and services.

This particular Ramada, in this location, was reviewed by our hotel specialists on February 12, 2011, and the 3.5-Star rating was determined to be an accurate reflection of the quality of this establishment.

Room type, including smoking preference and number/size of beds, is assigned by the hotel based on their availability at the time of your check-in, and not guaranteed by Hotwire. Since we carry our hotel partners’ unsold inventory, we cannot guarantee that they will have your specifically desired room type available when you check in.

In other words, a deal’s a deal.

I understand Hotwire’s perspective. It insists the 3 1/2-star rating for the Inn is correct, although the form letter it sent to Tanner doesn’t really address the problem she had. What’s more, it’s policies about room type are disclosed on its own site, although few guests bother to review the fine print before they make a purchase.

Plus, what’s half a star, really? Here’s the difference between a 3 1/2-star and a 3-star hotel on Hotwire. It appears to be relatively minor.

At the same time, I get where Tanner is coming from. She though she would get a room at a Hilton or Embassy Suites, not at a Ramada Inn. Hotwire’s excuse for not meeting her expectations is disappointing; the Inn staff’s attitude isn’t helping.

For a special occasion like an anniversary, when everything has to be just so, I wouldn’t roll the dice on an opaque website. I think Tanner might have done just as well by reserving her room directly with the hotel she wanted or through a travel agent.

Do you think Tanner should live with her decision, enduring a smoking room in a hotel she didn’t want? Or should Hotwire refund her room and make a reservation in a hotel that both parties agree is a 3 1/2-star property?

Should I mediate this case? It was a close vote, but the “nos” have it.

(Photo: Master Ma q/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • http://www.thetravelinggiraffe.com Crissy

    She asked for a 3 and a half star hotel, she should get a 3 and a half star hotel.

    But this is a good reminder that if you want something special – non-smoking room, or it’s a special occasion, etc. You should bite the bullet and pay the couple extra dollars and book with direct with the hotel or at least through a booking site where you know what hotel you’re getting.

  • http://cestbeth.net Elizabeth Smith

    I agree with Crissy, she should get what she paid for, a 3.5 star hotel. However, who uses Hotwire or Priceline for a 20th anniversary trip? It’s not worth a little extra money to get what you want? I only recommend Hotwire, Priceline, etc. for “stopovers,” or a one-night stay, say at an airport the night before or after you depart/arrive.

  • Tom

    I said mediate, but the truth is that using Hotwire or any opaque site is something of a crapshoot. For the right type of person, that’s part of the experience. It works best for people who are flexible and can deal with the situation if they arrive and find the hotel not quite what they expected. And if it’s really important that everything be perfect, don’t use Hotwire.

  • Sonia

    This is why I won’t use Hotwire. I’d rather pay and know what I’m getting. I feel for her, but it was her choice to try to save money. This is a case of you don’t get what you don’t want to pay for.

  • http://www.singleparenttravel.net John Frenaye

    She got what she paid for. Hotwire–where she bought the room–said it was a 3.5 star hotel and they stand by that. They make the rules for transacting on their site. If you buy a Kia and they claim it has received a Whatever Award, can you then insist on the Motor Trend Award awarded to BMW? As you said, there is no standard rating program and she should have looked into that.

    As for the smoking–that is a bummer I know, but again, if it is clearly stated that they are requests and not guarantees–I don’t see how this is the fault of the hotel or Hotwire.

    I know that hotel personally and to be honest, it is a significant step up from most other Ramadas.

  • Thomas

    I vote no. As Chris and others have said, NEVER use one of these sites for a special occasion. She got what she paid for, live with it!

  • BillC

    She wanted a 3.5 star hotel. Hotwire gave her a 3.5 star hotel.

    There really isn’t an issue. If you want to make sure you get what you want don’t be cheap. This just gets added to the list of stories about paying ahead of time and not knowing what you will receive.

  • Chris in NC

    I understand the OP’s frustration, but I don’t think you should mediate. History has shown that Hotwire (and Priceline) star system is subjective and you cannot use it as an absolute guide. Even Hotwire’s own site states that the hotels are a representation and not a guarantee.

    I am trying to sympathize with the OP, but WHY DO YOU GO TO HOTWIRE TO PLAN A SPECIAL 20 YEAR ANNIVERSARY? If the event means that much to you, spend a few extra dollars and guarantee that it is truly special!

    The OP says that she contacted “a woman” at the property. Perhaps she should speak or send a letter to the General Manager. If the hotel won’t work with her, then perhaps you can mediate between the OP and the hotel, but not Hotwire. After all, Hotwire has done what it is contractually obligated to do.

  • http://margerywilson.com Margery

    Hotwire’s response (or lack thereof) is exactly why I never do business with Hotwire or Priceline. I had a few good deals and then had such an awful experience — a hotel that Priceline maintained was a 3 star hotel that, in fact, was a run-down, dirty dump that was so squalid I couldn’t stay there. It was an expensive, pre-paid lesson. I call around and do business directly with individual hotels. And I won’t prepay unless I know the property personally.

    I am sorry to hear of the rotten deal Ms. Tanner has gotten. New Orleans is one of my favorite destinations. I go there several times a year. It is a city that has many affordable hotels — and good deals abound. Shame on Hotwire, shame on the hotel in question.

  • Dan

    Hotwire did the same thing to us a couple years back. The hotel they put us in was a dump. They shouldn’t have carried it under any star rating.

    They weren’t interested in making it right. I learned never to trust Hotwire and use another site that isn’t opaque. Frankly, the deals aren’t that great.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Chris in NC: “The OP says that she contacted “a woman” at the property. Perhaps she should speak or send a letter to the General Manager. If the hotel won’t work with her, then perhaps you can mediate between the OP and the hotel, but not Hotwire.”
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    The transaction was between the OP and Hotwire NOT the hotel. Hotwire was the ‘travel agent’ for the transaction. You can’t get a super discount rate from Hotwire than expect the hotel to give you the presidential suite, etc.

  • Sarah

    Step in just so this doesn’t happen again to others. If she paid for a 3.5 star room then that’s what she should get.

  • http://www.clarkecomputer.com Charles Clarke

    “For our Hotwire Hot Rates, we start with an average rating from other top travel sites. Then we make adjustments based on customer feedback.” So, everyone else rates it 3 stars, but our customers have liked it so we can bump it up to 3.5 and make more money? I don’t see anywhere on Hotwire.com to see which hotels are rated with how many stars, so they could be quite different than other sites and you wouldn’t know it until you booked.

    I agree with those that think it is quite foolish to book on an opaque site for an important event, if you need a specific room type or cancellability. I expect the lady Sandi dealt with on the phone was unable to hide her view of Sandi’s foolishness and that is why she was viewed as uncaring. From looking at the poll, it looks like Sandi’s odds of getting this attitude are about 50%, even among consumer advocates like most of Chris’ readers are.

  • Colleen

    Normally I would say no except for this statement “Even Hotwire gives it a three-star rating at the time of her booking.” If it was only 3 and not 3.5 then she reasonably should not expect to have been booked there. Had she been booking a 3 and gotten it and Hotwire later determined it was a 3.5 grestar then great. In this case, even though it may not be, it feels like they are playing games with her (taking money for a 3.5 star and then bumping up the rating to back it up). Also the service from the Inn does not sound like even 3 star service, I don’t care if they don’t like guests booked through sites like Hotwire, that is the choice of higher-ups to accept them and she should not get an attitude for it. That makes me even less confident in the new rating.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    Like others, why do you go to Hotwire, Priceline, etc. to plan a special event like an anniversary; honeymoon, etc? If the event means that much to a person then spend a few extra dollars to guarantee it. If you don’t have the extra dollars then don’t go; wait until you save up the money to do it right or work some overtime to earn the extra dollars.

    Personally, I book my rooms (personal and business) directly through the hotel’s website because I want to know the name of the hotel, its location, etc. even if it is only for one night.

  • Ames

    To me, the lack of a non-smoking room, would be the deal breaker and knowing that there is no guarantee and that the hotels are basically dumping their unsold / unsaleable rooms, i could never use any of these opaque sites. I would not risk an important event this way.

    I would suggest mediating, however, because when she made the reservation the hotel was listed as 3 star on Hotwire’s own listing at the time when she made the reservation. If it was 3 when she asked for 3.5, it should not have been chosen and sounds like a Hotwire mistake.

    Still the next hotel may not be any better!

  • Ames

    Sorry, I just read the gibberish I posted and really should have editted better!

  • L2Y2

    I say no, Chris. This is what you can expect from an opaque travel site. If a trip were that important to me, such as a romantic 20-year anniversary get-a-way, I would not be “rolling the dice”. And, in my opinion, there is not a whole lot of difference between a 3 and 3.5 start hotel. If it were a very special trip, I would have splurged and booked with “at least” a 4 start hotel, researched it and booked it myself to make sure I got what I was paying for. You don’t get romance at the Ramada Inn…..

  • http://www.rideprestige.com Silvertongue62

    You know this is more common than you think. Over the last decade or so people have adopted attitudes of entitlement. Many of us feel that we are entitled to the best for free. I have been in the service industry for 20 years or so and I have watched the demands of discount junkies skyrocket. In this case, it seems to me that this woman is very unrealistic. Going to a discount house looking for top shelf for a special event is less than stupid. I hope she never calls us for any of our services.

  • Chris in NC

    @ Arizona

    The OP has made the statement : “But it (the hotel) won’t work with me.” Maybe thats true, but I don’t think its fair to make such a bold statement after speaking to only one employee at the hotel.

    I agree with you. Guests should not book fire-sale rates then expect upgrades or perks. However, since Hotwire is under no obligation (legal or moral) to refund, and mediation with Hotwire isn’t the right thing to do, why not try something to “salvage” the situation?

    If I were the OP, I would speak to the General Manager, explain the situation and even go as far to offer to pay for an upgrade. It may work, it may not work, but its better than nothing!?

  • Mike Z

    @John and Bill, When she booked, Hotwire listed the hotel at 3 stars so she did not get what she paid for. Apparently they only raised their ratings after being “reviewed” which to me probably means they got called on their screw up and rather than take the business hit, they made a small change so they wouldn’t have to refund any monies.
    I say mediate, only because three travel sites, including the one she purchased from gave it three stars and she paid for 3.5.

    As to the OP, I also seriously have to wonder why anyone would book such an important event through Hotwire and not deal with the properties themselves. 20 years of marriage in this day and age is pretty amazing and it deserved more attention.

  • Anna

    I voted no, do not mediate. When you book through a third party website like Hotwire, you’ll always run into a risk that something unfortunate will happen, like what happened in this case. Personally, I don’t use Hotwire or something similar if my stay is for more than 2 days.

    As everyone else has said before, if this trip was for a special occasion like an anniversary, why in the world would you cut corners to save a few dollars? Would all the potential headaches be worth it? Let this be a pricey lesson for her.

  • Logan

    Mediate, but only to get a non-smoking room. I do have a little faith in Hotwire’s rating system; as I seem to remember from previous posts, it’s populated with both user reviews and Hotwire’s own checkers.

  • Jeanne in NE

    I voted yes to mediate. Emphasis on “mediate”. Chris in NC has a great compromise – pay extra for the upgrade if necessary. Both parties win. Maybe I’m cranky today, but I’m kind of tired of people who use opaque sites for special occasions getting opaque deals.

    I do sympathize with the smoking/non-smoking situation. I booked directly with hotel websites AND called every hotel I’ve booked between LA and FL for my trip to the SE USA in late March. (As an aside, it was really weird having to make a special request for non-smoking. Times have changed!) I called mid-morning (EST) and got pretty friendly people in every instance. If I call then, I either get regular, full-time workers or management, and catch them after most people have checked out – good strategy for a friendly conversation.

  • Jeanne in NE

    Looking at my post waiting for moderation, I should have continued my crankiness about “opaque deals” and added “and not liking what they’ve paid for.”

  • http://www.tvlleaders.com Dave Lovick

    We hear these type of issues all the time with customers booking their trips online. I would suggest next time calling a Profession Travel Consultant that can give you first hand feed back on hotel properties and if there is an issue with your trip you have an advocate to help get it resolved.

  • Harry

    I vote yes to mediate.

    I agree with everyone here that the OP should not have used Hotwire for a 20 year anniversary. BUT she asked for a 3.5 star hotel and only got a 3 star hotel. Just because Hotwire may have screwed over people in the past is no reason not to mediate. If anything it is more of a reason to mediate. I have never booked through hotwire so I can’t comment on them.

    Also maybe Hot wire should not have half star increments. While it is still a subjective system it is easier to determine a 3 star hotel from a 4 star hotel than a 3 star hotel to a 3.5 star hotel.

  • larry

    Is there a screen shot of the site showing the hotel was a 3 star when she purchased, and one of her purchase of a 3.5 star hotel? Something about this just doesn’t seem quite right. I have used hotwire so much, they gave me a card for my billfold with a special dedicated line for problems. Had a few bumps along the way such as one time when I paid for a suite hotel, got the suite hotel, but the hotel put me in a standard room. Hotwire refunded immediately.

  • MVFlyer

    I’m a bit confused: did Hotwire show the property as 3.5 stars when she bought it, and then downgraded it to 3, or is she basing her assessment on TripAdvisor’s and AAA’s 3 star rating which disagrees with Hotwire’s?

    Either way, I’m indlined to vote ‘no’. Hotwire does it own rating system–you have to take them at their word (for whatever that’s worth) that the property is what it is. And, you do take a big risk in the type of room you’ll get–don’t expect the royal suite when you’re buying through Hotwire–more like the broom closet. They don’t guarantee smoking or non-smoking, the number of beds, etc, although for her anniversary, I hope one bed will be sufficient . :-)

    While I sympathize with the OP, and I know it’s not helpful, but Hotwire is what it is, and they appear to be holding up their end of the bargain– a room at a given hotel at a certain price, no more, no less.

  • larry b

    “She thought she would get a room at the Hilton or Embassy Suites, not a Ramada Inn.” A quick check of betterbidding shows that there is almost no chance that would have ever happened. The only chain listed at 3.5 stars in the French Quarter is the Wyndham . That Ramada is on the site of the old Opera House which burned long ago. It is a fantastic location, maybe the best in the Quarter if you want to be on or near Bourbon St. It is also much better than a typical Ramada. Frankly, The Inn On Bourbon hotel owners are just using the Ramada brand for generating bookings thru Ramada’s website in all probability.

  • BucksterSF

    If any other business did this it would be considered a bait & switch and the attorney general of the state would be involved. This is how the industry has chosen to rate itself, and is therefore meaningful.

    This is why I do not use a blind service like Hotwire.

  • http://www.sanibel-rentals.net Sylvia

    I voted yes to mediate as well. Realizing that this is a third party deal and therefore more complicated, I still think the OP got shorted in the transaction.

  • Carver

    Perhaps I am missing something, and if so, please correct me. The OP requested a 3.5 star hotel. The OP was given a 3 star hotel by Hotwire’s own admission.

    How is that right.

  • Brian

    Seriously, why leave the hotel for a 20th wedding anniversary up to the crap shoot of an opaque hotel site?????

    It seems that the savings provided never quite make up for the disappointment once the hotel is revealed.

  • Christopher Elliott

    @Carver, Tanner says Hotwire rated the hotel a 3-star at the time of her booking, but now considers it a 3.5-star. I believe it’s possible Tanner is referring to Ramada’s star rating, not the Inn’s, which has 3.5 stars.

  • Bill

    I said no. Why is she booking something that’s important to her using hotwire. I think hotwire’s primary focus is to save money.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    “Even Hotwire gives it a three-star rating at the time of her booking.”
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    Does the OP have a screen shot or a reservation confirmation showing that it was a three-star rating at the time of the booking? IF it was only three-star at the time of booking, why didn’t the OP immediately contacted Hotwire on the day of the booking to complain.

    @ Chris Elliott: When was the room booked?

    It seems to me that the OP doesn’t like the hotel because she doesn’t have a non-smoking room. If she had a non-smoking room I don’t think that she will be complaining.

  • Christopher Elliott

    @Arizona, looks like the booking date was Feb. 17.

  • CTP

    The web site clearly does say that a 3 star average rating may be bumped up to 3.5 due to customer feedback. That clearly makes the hotel they gave her a possible 3.5. The issue then becomes the lack of a smoking room. If that is a critical feature of the room then booking through an opaque site is the wrong choice. I am always amazed when people who choose to use an opaque site are surprised when they see the actual property they are given.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Chris Elliott: Thank you for the information.

    The hotel was rated 3.5 stars by Hotwire on February 12th and she booked the room on February 17th.

    On Yelp, the hotel is rated 4 stars. It is rated 4 stars on Quikbook, http://www.quikbook.com/getprofile.asp?code=3316. On Bookit, it is rated 3.5 stars. Frommer’s has a rated as 3 stars (it was rated in 2008 or before).

    On Trip Advisor, the number one hotel in New Orleans is the Omni Royal Crescent and that is only a 3.5 star hotel. This hotel is rated # 34 of 148 hotels in New Orleans and 79% will recommend the hotel.

    It is rated 2.5 stars by Priceline, http://travela.priceline.com/ramada-plaza-inn-on-bourbon-new-orleans-louisiana-LA-102453-hd.hotel-reviews-hotel-guides.

    The bottom line is that ratings are subjective and there are no standards. It seems like she used non-Hotwire star ratings instead of using the Hotwire star ratings to complain about the hotel.

    If you read between the lines, I think that the issue isn’t that it was a 3-star hotel or 3.5-star hotel…it is that she doesn’t have non-smoker room.

  • http://www.santafetravelers.com santafetraveler

    This is exactly why I stay away from buying blind. You may get a great price, but you’re buying a pig in a poke. And you really have no recourse as the sale is final. If you go for five-star, you probably can’t go wrong, but that may be more than you want to pay, even at a bargain price.
    If they will not guarantee room type and non-smoking, you are definitely taking a chance.
    Based on the chains listed on Hotwire, anything below a 4-star could be a real crap-shoot. Too wide a range of properties.
    I usually agree with the consumer- but in this case, I think it’s clear that the buyer was in Hotwire’s hands regarding hotel choice and the sale is final- f indeed the hotel was rated 3.5 stars at the time.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Harry – “BUT she asked for a 3.5 star hotel and only got a 3 star hotel.”
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    The OP asked for a 3.5 star hotel and Hotwire gave her a 3.5 star hotel based upon their ratings. Hotwire rated the hotel a 3.5 star on 2/12/11 and she booked the room on 2/17/11. The OP didn’t write that she has a screen shot from the Hotwire webpage showing that the hotel is 3-star or she received a confirmation stating a 3-star hotel. She used star ratings from other travel providers.

    Here is my guess what took place:

    She booked her room. She received the confirmation which stated that she didn’t receive a non-smoking room (which Hotwire DOESN’T guarantee). She went to the hotel website to see if there are any non-smoking rooms available. She called the hotel asking for a non-smoking room where she is told that none is available (it is my guess that there non-smoking rooms available but NOT for Hotwire customers but for guests that are willing to pay more). She is upset that she can’t have a non-smoking room so she started to look for a reason to get Hotwire to change the hotel. She used the star-rating of other travel providers as the reason to get Hotwire to change the hotel.

    If Hotwire gave her a 5-star hotel with a smoking room at the same price that she paid, I don’t think she will take it. I could be wrong but I think it is about getting a smoker room instead of a non-smoking room.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Sandi Tanner – “On the hotel’s own website they are still offering non-smoking king rooms, but according to her they are out of them. How is this possible?”
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    It is simple…Hotwire carries hotel partners’ unsold inventory. Given the demographics (the number of smokers vs non-smokers), a smoker room is harder to sell\book than a non-smoking room. The hotel is NOT going to give you a non-smoker at a super duper cheap price where they can sell this room at the regular price.

  • Christopher Elliott

    Just to clarify, I think this is what’s going on — and the reason Hotwire sent her the form letter it did.

    The Inn, which is a Ramada property, was always a 3.5-star hotel in Hotwire’s system.

    Ramada as a chain is a 3-star.

    Some Ramadas, such as the Inn, are the exception. Tanner is confused by this, and wants to stay in a chain that is rated 3.5-stars.

    I believe the smoking issue is the real problem. Tanner would have worked with the hotel if it had guaranteed a non-smoking room. But a hotel employee she spoke with won’t guarantee a non-smoking room.

  • BucksterSF

    I would be curious to know if anyone has seen any language in Hotwire’s fine print about the “star rating.” this is all I could find:

    “Unless a Provider has agreed otherwise, all products, services, advice, merchandise and information available through this Site are provided on an “as is,” “as available” basis without warranties of any kind …”

    That’s a long way of saying “too bad.”

  • Harry

    @ Chris.
    Thanks for the clarification.

    Each hotel should be ranked on its own and not just how the brand is rated. So if that hotel was ranked as 3.5 star hotel then I agree with AZ Road Warrior. No mediation she got what she paid for.

    I still think they should round to full stars and not use half stars. It makes a subject process that much more subjective IMO.

  • http://www.phoenixjustice.com Phoenix Justice

    @Chris Elliott – Reading your last posting it seems to me that mediation isn’t necessary, but education of the OP is. Not all travelers are old hats it like Arizona Road Warrior and I think that is your greatest service. When you can teach those without the experience to keep away from the pitfalls of travel it benefits us all.

    I hate to say it, but the OP made a poor decision and now she needs to live with it.

    P.S. Think you could give us a third option such as “Educate OP” on these issues?

  • Janet

    If you are going to book thru one of these sites, expect the worst room in the house. If you want a great room, spend the extra dollars and do it right.

  • DJP

    The big issue here is the smoking room or not a guarentee of a non-smoking room.

    this is a big issue for me because I am asthmetic.

    The one time I tried to book a hotel on hotwire I found the hotel they gave me was outside the map box they said they would book in. So I got my money back.

    I trust hotwire with rental cars because they state they deal with only national chain rental car companies.

    National hotel chains like Ramada, Best Western, and some of the Choice Hotels will vary greatly where you will find 3.5 star hotels in certain locations (usually downtown hot spots and near travel destination towns).

  • http://cestbeth.mtravel.com Elizabeth Smith

    Based on your post above, Chris, perhaps she should contact the hotel directly about upgrading to a non-smoking room. But wait, that would cost money and apparently her 20th anniversary is only Hotwire-worthy. ;)