Can this trip be saved? Carnival won’t cover mileage expenses for Splendor victims

Remember the Carnival Splendor, the ship that was marooned 200 miles south of San Diego for several days last year after a fire knocked out its power? Robert and Beverly Howell won’t ever forget it, because they were on the ship.

The cruise line claims it went to great lengths to make things right for the Howells, and other 2,300 passengers who were adrift four days and had to subsist on spam.

But Carnival didn’t go far enough, says Robert Howell.

The couple submitted its expenses to the cruise line after their ill-fated vacation.

Howell writes,

Our travel itinerary included travel via our personal vehicle to and from Long Beach, CA and motel accommodations the night prior to the cruise (parking for seven days was included).

The motel accommodations included the additional four persons who joined us on the cruise, the entire amount was charged to our American Express account as reflected on the attached USAA American Express Account Summary.

The total amount? $904 — which includes 792 miles at 50 cents per mile, hotel expenses and unused dinner vouchers worth $105.

Howell says Carnival told him it would cover these expenses.

If Carnival promised to make things right, then $904 seems like a reasonable amount. But not to the cruise line.

Here’s how it responded to his claim:

A Carnival check in the amount of $105.00, representing a reimbursement of your out of pocket dinner expense will be sent to your address on file via regular U.S. mail. If you should require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact our Guest Care Department at guestcare@carnival.com.

While we would love to assist you with your request, we will not be able to reimburse you for the pre cruise hotel and mileage expenses you have submitted.

Regrettably, the hotel stay does not fall under the parameters for which Carnival is extending compensation.

Additionally, receipts for gas are the only forms of proof that will be accepted. We cannot use mile estimations as a determining factor for reimbursement. We apologize for any disappointment this may cause.

Howell responded with the following argument:

Would you only reimburse the fuel costs if we flew? You would not pay the taxes, security fees, baggage fees, or the maintenance and depreciation of the aircraft which are included in the ticket price?

These costs are all included in the amount you reimbursed your customers who chose to fly!

But Carnival is unmoved.

While we certainly understand your position, it is Carnival’s position that the offer extended was generous and appropriate and has been well received by most guests. Therefore, we must respectfully decline your request for additional compensation.

We hope you will accept our invitation to sail with us once again. We’d love the opportunity to welcome you aboard.

Something tells me the Howells won’t be booking a Carnival cruise in the near future. But should they expect the company to cover their mileage and hotel expenses?

I realize this column is called “Can this trip be saved?” but the answer to that question is painfully obvious: it can’t.

You can’t make up for a four-day Spamfest at sea, but Carnival could certainly make things a little better by making good on its verbal promises to take care of their expenses — as long as those expenses are reasonable.

According to Carnival, other guests have happily accepted its meal voucher/gas mileage compensation. Should the Howells, too?

Or should I ask Carnival to take a second look at how it handled their request?

We had more than 800 responses to the survey. It was a close one.

Update: (1/6) Here’s what Carnival had to say:

Initially we were not reimbursing for gas, just air, but after reviewing further, we made the decision to reimburse for the cost of gas for those that drove to Long Beach.

In order to be reimbursed, we asked guests to send us gas receipts or bank statements that would detail the cost of the gas they purchased for this trip.

If a guest is unable to provide receipts, then the maximum refund for gas is $100.

Upon reviewing Mr. Howell’s situation, he apparently does not have receipts indicating how much he paid for gas so we will be providing him with a $100 reimbursement. We also provided him with reimbursement of $105 for dinner prior to his cruise.

Like other guests on the Carnival Splendor, Mr. Howell received a complimentary future cruise, a full refund of his cruise fare and reimbursement for all onboard purchases.

As for hotel expenses, we are not refunding hotel stays for those who opted to stay at a hotel the night prior to the cruise.

(Photo: Ray’s c ruise blog)

  • Rose

    No one seems to doubt that the OP did indeed drive to & from the embarkation point — should he really be denied any compensation because he didn’t have the foresight to save gas receipts? While chintzy businesses might exploit their employees, fuel cost alone does not equal travel cost. 50 cents/mile is the standard cost set by the government; the OP didn’t just pick it out of the air. How is it “greedy” to expect that Carnival will accept his word that he drove? Do they think he’s lying about it, or are they suddenly being nit-picky while at the same time being open-handed with flyers? I would give him the pre-cruise hotel night too. It’s common practice for cruisers who live far away to ensure they get to port on time — and the only reason he stayed the night was because he was going on the cruise. The cruise was ruined, his vacation was ruined — and he is stuck with a hotel charge he would not otherwise have incurred. Why nickle & dime him? Carnival has its own insurance, or should have.

  • barbie45

    Considering what they went through yes.

  • Jim

    Hi Chris,

    I just had to comment on the classic typo in your link – you have ‘subside on Spam’ which conjures up great images, but I’m sure you meant ‘subsist on Spam’.

    Jim.

  • Sally

    I have to agree with Rose’s comment. There are a lot of people saying they are being greedy, but the OP is just expecting to be reimbursed for what Carnival said they would reimburse. One of the previous commenters posted the verbage in the letter saying what would be covered, and it wasn’t clear to me if the hotel stay the night before the cruise was covered, but the travel home was definitely covered. They did not specifically mention how to handle it if the passenger drove, so I believe the method he used to submit his milage was appropriate. I don’t see why this person should not be compensated just because he drove instead of flying.

  • http://www.cruiseradio.net Doug Parker

    Maybe Carnival should name a ship after him too! Carnival was more than fair with the compensation.

  • The original MikeZ

    “The cruise was ruined, his vacation was ruined — and he is stuck with a hotel charge he would not otherwise have incurred.”

    No, Rose, he stayed at the hotel to be sure he arrived on time — a cost he would have incurred regardless. And that’s the distinction; Carnival has to draw the line somewhere.

    Yes, their cruise and vacation were ruined, and Carnival has been extremely generous in refunding what they paid for the cruise. PLUS giving them a free cruise later. PLUS reimbursing for out-of-pocket costs to return home at a time other than originally planned. PLUS offering to pay for any passenger who chose to remain in San Diego (hotel and meals) for up to three extra days.

    Carnival has been very reasonable (make that generous) in how it handled this cruise to/from Hell, but they do have to draw the line somewhere.

  • kenish

    I live in the area. It’s 110 miles (each way) from Long Beach to San Diego. There is absolutely no way it can be 792 miles and this probably set off Carnival’s “Greedy Customer Red Alert”. The only way 792 miles “pencils out” is if 3 people made the round trip…but the total cost is for “car miles” not passenger miles.

    It’s an easy 2-hour drive. Leaving Long Beach at 9am would get the Howells to SD in time for early embarkation. Unlike flying to the cruise, there was no practical reason to arrive the day before. If the Howells stopped at the St. Regis in Orange County for 4 days on the way to port they’d expect that to be fully reimbursed too along with the gourmet dining and greens fees?

  • Mike Z

    @ Doug Parker “Maybe Carnival should name a ship after him too! Carnival was more than fair with the compensation.”

    So, Carnival had no problem reimbursing people for airfare, which would have included fuel, wages, insurance, product markup, depreciation, and a host of other costs, but is correct for denying auto expenses that the federal government says is appropriate? After knowing that all other patrons were reimbursed for travel expenses, the OP is asking for too much to want their expenses reimbursed?

    After what those passengers went through, I would think the cruise line would be HAPPY to pay the mileage amount.

  • FL Traveler

    Carnival should pay all the legimate expenses including mileage if the passenger drove. Like another commented above, the distance from San Diego to the port of Long Beach, however, is 125 one way (max) not the 792 claimed by the passenger(s). Perhaps he added the other passengers who traveled there with him? He mentions they joined him in the hotel but did they drive separately?

  • Cornhusker

    I think many of you have it wrong…the passengers stayed overnight and parked in Long Beach because that was the embarkation (and hopefully destination) of that ill-fated cruise. The distance calculation to and from San Diego are not a factor, since Carnival transported the passengers back from San Diego to Long Beach. We don’t know where they live, but they drove from their home location to Long Beach to board the cruise. I saw the Splendor docked in San Diego when I was there a couple days later on a trip..huge ship!!

  • DChamp

    My last word on the “Spam” issue.
    From John Heald’s blog (he’s the cruise director for that Splendour trip):
    “Anyway the press has made a huge fuss about Spam. Let me confirm that we ordered cold cuts and amongst the baloney, corned beef, pastrami and ham they also sent us Spam. It was never served to guests or to crew and those who said it was are misinformed.”
    From this post:
    http://johnhealdsblog.com/2010/11/16/smoke-on-the-water-the-final-chapter/

  • http://www.cockam.com ajaynejr

    I disagree that the cruise line should reimburse you for anything before or after the cruise Dates.

    I would even dispute the necessity of paying 50 cents a mile for discretionary pleasure driving. Part of 50 cents a mile is what the car owner pays to register the car and would be the same number of dollars whether or not he made that trip.

    Only the gas and car costs for the trip itself, if that, would be appropriate for reimbursement I suppose that comes out to around 25 cents a mile.

    Spam might have been included in the ship supplies as a novelty as opposed to some inexpensive component. Next time you visit Hawaii, look for a mom and pop restaurant with Spam on the menu and give that a try. Granted, there was a time, I think it was World War II, when some folks in Hawaii said they “had to subside (sic) on Spam” but discretionary demand for that continues to this day.

  • Kimberly

    I’m probably an idiot and not completely “understanding” the “problem”…BUT…If they drove to the port and stayed in a hotel “PRIOR” to the cruise then I don’t understand the need for “compensation” for that anymore that I would support compensation for anyone who “flew” in the night before the cruise getting full round trip credit. When they “RETURN” to Long Beach the gas cost would be incurred regardless of whether they had a “perfect” cruise of not. Unless there was a significant change in gas prices that occured in comparison to their expected return then no “gas” compensation should be awarded.

    Now onto what someone who “drove” SHOULD be compensated for: Any additional “parking” fees incurred, one night in a hotel prior to driving back to “Long Beach” or wherever they came from (no one should be forced to drive back immediately after a trip like that without proper time to rest…so one night in a hotel to get cleaned up and rested seems reasonable) and finally a “meal voucher” for food for having to stay an extra night. If they “flew” then it would be only fair if Carnival compensated them for the return leg/change fees for their flight and possibly a hotel if no flight could be secured for that day. Those who “fly” aren’t getting any “benefit” from Carnival compensating them for their “return” flight. If Carnival pays gas allowance for a “drivers” return “drive”…then the driver will essentially get their return drive FREE.

    ALL passengers should receive a FULL refund of that cruise and a “significant” discount on a future cruise that does not expire. Anything else offered is gravy.