Can this trip be saved? Angry birds – and angry passengers

This is a picture of two flight attendants on American Airlines flight 590 from San Diego to Chicago on Mar 20th. They’re playing Angry Birds on an iPad in the galley.

I don’t have a problem with that. But Calvin Michael does.

He couldn’t find two seats together in economy class before his departure, but at the airport, American offered two “upgraded” economy class seats in row 7, 8 or 9 for $39 each. He decided it was worth it, and ended up with seats 8B and 8C.

That’s when the trouble started.

As the plane began to finish passenger loading we noticed that a couple in row 7 had two young children that were highly energetic and were lap-based, versus having their own seats.

After the first beverage service moved on from our section of the plane, the highly-energized children became a challenge to avoid.

So Michael had just paid an extra $78 for the wrong seats.

I had spied that our original seats appeared open when making a trip to the lavatory. Upon returning to row 8 with my wife, we discussed going back to these seats to avoid further contact with the children in row 7.

Michael pressed the flight attendant call button to ask a crewmember for permission to move. No one responded.

I went back to where the flight attendants were just aft of the coach lavatory.

I found both flight attendants engrossed in a video game behind a partial privacy curtain. I said “hello” in a normal voice, I cleared my throat, knocked on a lavatory door; I could not gain the two flight attendants’ attention.

I decided to take a cell phone picture, then two, then a third with flash. Again, they were only attentive to the hand-held video game.

I went back to my seat disgusted and survived the remaining hour or so of flight.

By the way, my son, who is an expert on these matters, tells me the attendants were playing Angry Birds. (Angry Birds, angry passengers. Ironic.)

Michael sent American an email detailing the seating arrangement problem and the flight attendants’ behavior and asking for a refund of his upgrade fee. American replied with a form letter. Here’s an excerpt:

Our employees strive to provide all of our customers with a safe and pleasant flying experience, and we try to ensure you are not subjected to uncomfortable situations by other passengers.

However, as in any public gathering, there may be occasions when a conflict arises between people or when one individual’s actions bother another.

Since our crew members may not be witness to all the behaviors or actions of a particular passenger, there may be a limit to what they can do to improve behavior that is perceived as a nuisance.

In the face of any serious disturbance, our crews are trained to diffuse potentially volatile situations so as to ensure the safety and well-being of all our customers and crew members.

Maybe someone at the corporate office is too buy playing Angry Birds to bother reading email from their customers. Michael’s complaint was as much about the non-responsive flight attendants as it was about the rowdy kids.

Michael could have downgraded himself and his wife without permission from American. However, it’s true that the airline can’t really control who you’re seated next to — which is to say, it doesn’t usually send an employee over to tell the unruly kids to shut up. Confrontations of that nature can have disastrous results.

I’m not sure if Michael deserves a refund because of his unruly seatmates. But I think he could make an argument for getting some kind of compensation for being completely ignored by the flight attendants.

I know how easy it is to get engrossed in a video game. I have two boys who are well on their way to becoming professional video game players. (I’m kidding; I hope they aren’t.) But the attendants on flight 590 were on duty, and they had an obligation to at least respond to Michael’s question.

Had they simply acknowledged his problem and allowed him to return to his original seat, I don’t think this would be an issue.

Is he entitled to $78? I don’t know. But he should get more than an empty apology.

  • Walt Blackadar

    He got his seats.  There were kids nearby, but ya know, that’s going to happen from time to time.  There’s no refund due of $78 because he got what he paid for. 

    If he wanted to move and couldn’t find a flight attendant, then just move and don’t worry about it.  It’s done on virtually every non-full flight in the USA.  But how bad were the kids?  He doesn’t describe any bad behavior beyond they were a “challenge to avoid”.  Really?  That’s it?

    Sorry the flight attendants were lazy idiots.  Unfortunately, that’s all too common nowadays given their perceived authority as “protectors of the skies”.  Yes, AA should have responded more appropriately.  So you know what that tells you?  They don’t care and fly another airline.

    I think this case is pretty well closed.  The OP isn’t owed anything and AA showed how much they (don’t) care about his patronage.  As such, there’s nothing to mediate. 

  • Ghost

     I am sorry about their bad flight but it sounded like a short flight and we don’t know why the attendants were doing what they were doing.  maybe they were on break and just didn’t notice.  In any case, why didn’t the passenger just tap one of them on the shoulder?  

  • Chris

    What I find amazing about this story is that I seem to be the only one who is taken aback that he had to pay extra so he and his partner could sit together.  What happened to  FAs finding seats together for two traveling companions if two seats together are available?  And, how many times have you seen a passenger grab a seat that is unoccupied right before take off without even bothering to say something to an FA?  I guess I’m just too old and remember when flying was a pleasurable experience and not an exercise in having to try and job the system – either by the FA or the passenger! 

  • Raven

     I voted yes because while I don’t think the OP deserves a refund, he deserves an explanation and apology.

    I say no refund because he got what he paid for–two “premium” seats. No airline has “child free” zones, so he has no right to expect no kids around. If the kids were really out of control, then the FAs should’ve said something to the breeders/parents.

  • Raven

    Because people don’t like giving up seats. I book aisles. I don’t care if your kid/dog/partner/elderly mother/autistic son wants to sit there, tough toenails. Sit in YOUR seat. 

  • Tom

    Maybe they ignored him on purpose because he was exuding attitude — compaining about his seats, complaining about the babies, complaining, complaining, complaining. They saw his light go on and ignored him because he was a miserable bully. When he complained to American, the cabin staff probably filled the home office in on what a jerk he was, perhaps it was even noted in his record. The staff is there to safety, some help and to distribute beverages. They aren’t there to provide therapy for every Oscar the Grouch who hates kids. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    …And I am sure these kind of parents, blame the US Education System fail instead of doing their part, they cry for human right when their children get punished for bad behavior at school…
    Of course lot of them don’t have a clue what are good manners, etiquette… they are quit to buy peace the wrong way instead of taking hard lines against their children.
    (When I was a child, not only my parents check on me, they ask the neighbors check my behavior and report to them).

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    You are right not giving your AISLE seat unless for an Upgrade to Business or First Class. Believe me, I once did it and regretted it, and never again. Now, I agree only if exchange for an upgrade, on the spot or the next trip. Airlines now ask for a fee on some preferred seats,  so, they have compensate for your favorite seat too, it cost them nothing, why should we accommodate them.

  • Eric

    So, it’s OK for the FAs to be playing “Angry Birds”, when they’re supposed to be working?  These two FAs should thank their lucky stars.  If I tried what they did, I’d get canned.

  • Nj07208

    Love it, love it, love it!

  • Jenny

    He should start by responding to the email stating that it did not adquately address his concerns. Then if he receives the same form response, respond again and ask that the issue be escalated beyond a tier 1 response. After that I would maybe print out the email thread and start mailing copies to American. I know they SHOULD get it right the first time, but I usually like to give companies 3 chances to fail. One chance for them to catch the mistake and another chance to escalate it correctly.

  • Mark K

    TOUCH a flight attendant??  That surely is a Federal crime.  At least the ones I have seen be touched by passengers act that way.  He probably would have had the police waiting for him at the airport and faced a charge of “Interfering” with a flight attendant.  After all, they would have lost their high score!

  • Mark K

    The only thing that should be addressed is the lack of response by the flight attendants.  Regardless of the time of day or how long the flight was, someone should have responded to the call button even if it was just to tell the OP to leave them alone.  The flight attendants didn’t know why the call button was pressed, it could have been something important.  Being so wrapped up in a game that they are not aware of their surroundings is not good for the safety of the passengers or themselves.

    I have been on hundreds of flights ranging from 30 minutes to 12 hours in length and regardless of which cabin it was a flight attendant responded to all call buttons on every flight (sometimes a little slowly, but they eventually showed up).  I know the flight attendants have a meal break on a flight that operates during meal times, but not all of them take their break at the same time (at least on the airlines I fly) so someone is always available.  

  • Lonnie

    Oh come on.  These attendants were supposed to be on duty.  Instead they’re playing kid’s games on an iPod?  How about simple adult responsibility?  The airline should have apologized for its employees’ very unprofessional behavior, given a refund of the upgrade fee, agreed that the employees in question will be given a little workplace counseling, and thrown in a $100 credit for another flight.

    It seems as if there is less and less accountability every day.  Where have all the adults gone….

    Lonnie

  • Lonnie

    Gee, you are very easy to please.  It’s to bad that we have become accustomed to a lack of responsible service.  All the OP wanted was to be acknowledged by the flight attendants, and to perhaps be allowed to take the seats he and his partner were originally assigned and get a refund of the added price he paid (for which he expected to add a little more comfort).  He wasn’t blaming the attendants for the kids’ behavior, just for their carelessness and lack of professionalism and responsibility.

    Now, as for  the kids’ behavior….

  • Allison

    We all take our chances with children in the cabin.  They could be many rows ahead or behind and still disrupt the rest of the passengers, so moving seats will not necessarily take care of the problem if they are truly unruly and loud.  On the other hand, there is no excuse for the attendants.  They are AT WORK.  Can an attorney sit in court doing this while ”listening” to the other counsel argue his case?  Can a secretary while her phone is ringing off the hook?  What about a store salesperson or a short-order cook?  Of course not.  Allowing one attendant to behave like this will only suggest to others that it is permissible behaviour.  I voted yes to corral that.

  • Anonymous

    We’re playing Angry Birds.  :)

  • Ghost

    Cordiality always works for me.  As long as you are civil, patient, and respectful, I have never had a problem even if the attendant was busy or annoyed.

  • PZLAMS

    I agree with Jeremy, this is about having professionals who are attentive to their work environment and responsibilities while they are on duty.  80% of my flights with AA are international, usually up front, and even in the so-called “premium” cabin I have noticed a significant decrease in the accessability of the cabin crew. When I get up to ask for something from the galley I usually find the FAs talking, reading, or engaged in some other activity that is not directly related to the business of air safety or passenger care.  What gets me is that it tends to be ALL of them at the same time – it wouldn’t be so bad if one or two of them remained attentive to the pax.

    As someone with many friends who are crew, I used to be very generous with the “FAs are here to save your butt, not kiss it” philosophy, but then I realized that all of the things that my friends would use to justify their claims that being a FA was difficult (low pay, long hours, changing schedules, air rage) are not unique to them: my earnings are low, I frequently work 10-12 hours per day, my work week is 5-6 days per week, my customers are not always the easiest to deal with (and I don’t get to say goodbye to them after two or 12 hours), and all games and access to facebook, YouTube and other social sites is blocked on my network. I can’t pull a curtain across my cubicle and be “unavailable” while I’m being paid to do a job, and I certainly can’t read a book or have hour-long conversations with my coworkers in the office.  I have begun to ask myself why they get to “play hookey” when they are working and I don’t. 

    Flight attendants are loosing the support of formerly supportive passengers – I think this is an indication that things are going wrong, and this is the focus I fell should be taken if you take on this case.

  • Scott

    It’s not for the airline that you are being asked to move seats.  It is for a fellow human being.  Why should you get an upgrade from an airline to help out a fellow traveler.  It is this type of entitled attitude that is disgusting.

    I’m not saying you should always switch seats under any circumstances….that is at one’s discretion.  But your post is ridiculously selfish.

  • FL Traveler

    The real problem here ended up not being the children but the attendants who were “playing” on duty and ignoring their customers! I cannot believe the corporate office was happy to learn this (complete with photo) but rather they were putting on their game face (no pun intended) by sending the form letter (hoping the customer would go away).

  • LC in FLA

    Oh my … children < 2 can be very disruptive (and I am both a mother and a grandmother). The children ended up not being the problem. The passenger found himself liking the location of his original seats better than the upgraded ones and wanted to move back. No big deal except the attandants were too busy "playing" to address their customers!

  • LC in FLA

    Oh my … children < 2 can be very disruptive (and I am both a mother and a grandmother). The children ended up not being the problem. The passenger found himself liking the location of his original seats better than the upgraded ones and wanted to move back. No big deal except the attandants were too busy "playing" to address their customers!

  • LC in FLA

    Oh my … children < 2 can be very disruptive (and I am both a mother and a grandmother). The children ended up not being the problem. The passenger found himself liking the location of his original seats better than the upgraded ones and wanted to move back. No big deal except the attandants were too busy "playing" to address their customers!

  • flutiefan

    oh, no…Flight Attendants TALKING in the galley?! the horrors!

  • flutiefan

    i 100% agree with you Absherlock. something smells fishy about this whole story.

    and NO WAY should he get his $78 refunded simply because he decided he didn’t like those seats anymore.  if he’d stayed with his regular assignment, and there had been “unruly” children there, he probably would still be asking for compensation. it’s an airline seat. it’s luck of the draw who you’re placed around!

  • flutiefan

    um, you did call him a wimp. when you typed WIMP.  maybe not to his face, but you did refer to him as a wimp.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Flutefan:   a weak, ineffectual, timid person.  Definition of wimp.
    Well, I spoke to him as I left the plane and told him I would never let
    anyone throw anything in my face.  This incident happened more than 15 years ago.   To whom should I apologize for my comment?  Let’s move on.  Bigger things going on in the world, eh?  I apologize to you if my word was “offensive.”   OK?

  • Anonymous

    I simply thought the word in my head.  Am I on trial for the “thought 
    police?”  EGADS.  I’d be in jail now for some of my thoughts!  

  • Anonymous

    I simply thought the word in my head.  Am I on trial for the “thought 
    police?”  EGADS.  I’d be in jail now for some of my thoughts!  

  • Ajaynejr

    Sometimes the flight attendant can get more passengers to accept a request to move by offering to kiss their butts as opposed to just being prepared to save their butts.

    Of course the FA can also offer tangible things such as vouchers for future flight discounts, or complimentary meals. Just a drink or two will not satify me.

  • Ajaynejr

    Sometimes the flight attendant can get more passengers to accept a request to move by offering to kiss their butts as opposed to just being prepared to save their butts.

    Of course the FA can also offer tangible things such as vouchers for future flight discounts, or complimentary meals. Just a drink or two will not satify me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566935644 Meredith Putvin

    Honestly, I think that while compensation is not warranted for the customer, Disciplinary action for the employees is 100% warranted. All companies in the world have rules about this type of behavior? And while this was a minor occurrence, what if someone was critically ill or there was a major situation requiring the their full attention.

    Pzlams hit it right on the head. My office is a lot more relaxed than his, but we do not have access to games or reading material that is not work related. We have several projects going on that we can devote time to. I personally handle Customer service issues trying to balance customer satisfaction with the fact I do not have the boots on the ground that I need.

    I try to keep myself available for my customers, even if I’m working on a project. My customers come first.