Can this trip be saved? A full parking lot and a partial refund

Gene Fayvusovich has a little parking problem, and he wants to know if he got ripped off.

Earlier this summer, he prepaid for 12 days of parking at Newark International Airport through a company called Premier Parking.

Total parking fee paid more than three weeks before his departure: $64.

“When I arrived, I was not allowed to park my car at their location, because lot was full,” he says. “I was advised by the parking lot attendant to park nearby on the other parking lot.”

But the price to park in that lot wasn’t the same. It charged him more than twice the rate he’d paid Premier — $130.

So now Fayvusovich has paid two parking lots for the same service. And here’s where it gets interesting.

He sent an email to Premier, asking for a refund. It took a while, but he finally received the following reply:

I am so sorry that you were turned away and that no one has responded to you. I have credited back to your account the amount $64 onto your card.

Also I am giving you two free days of parking with a reservation of five or more days. When you want to use those days please e-mail me directly. I will be happy to make that reservation for you.

Again, I apologize for the delay.

But wait! Fayvusovich didn’t want the $64 refunded — he wanted the company to credit him for the $130 he had to spend on the other parking lot.

“Needless to say, it was not even close to what I expected from the Premier Parking, and what was requested in my e-mail,” he says. “The denied admission to the parking lot at the day of my travel left me absolutely unprepared. Being constrained in time, I didn’t have any chance to investigate further and ended paying the outrageous fee.”

He adds, “Could you please help me if I’m right — or tell me that I’m wrong?”

The issue of oversales is never directly adressed in Premier’s terms. But it mentions substitutions, which kind of applies:

Very seldom a service a lot was providing may be change without notice. Say from valet to self or covered to uncovered. If a change results in an upgrade to your previous service there will be no extra charge.

If a change results in a downgrade to your previous service we will credit you the difference in price it would have cost you.

Applied to this situation, it would mean Fayvusovich should get a refund of the difference between the Premier lot and the substitute lot.

I can’t find a policy that specifically addresses oversales. But if this were a rental car or a hotel, the industry standard would be to offer him the product he paid for from a competitor at the same cost — in other words, to refund his $130.

I can understand why Premier would want to refund just the $64 and give him a voucher. It’s far less expensive. Also, neither its terms, nor any of its employees specifically promised they’d cover the cost of the second lot. He was simply told to use another parking facility.

I’m conflicted about this case. I know if I were in the same position as Fayvusovich, I’d be upset. I should have received a parking spot for $64. End of story. But technically, Premier made no promises of an available spot when it took his money, and it never said it would cover the cost of the second parking lot.

Should I step in and ask Premier to help this customer — and if so, what do you think he’s entitled to?

  • MarkieA

    The difference here is the OP paid in advance. In your situation, it would be like sending the rental car agency money for a discount deal on a rental car, then showing up and finding that they don’t have one, THEN being told to take your business to the next rental car agency down the counter and getting reimbursed for just the discount amount, even though the rate you actually pay is way more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    It’s called benefit of the bargain. It’s the basis of US contract law. See LRHO’s analysis. At the end of the day the op should have one spot for $64. If the parking company made a good deal it buys a spot for less and makes a profit. If they make a bad deal they lose money. Effectively they bought a spot for 194 and sold it for $64.

  • TonyA_says

    I understand your point but who (which party) decides where to EXTEND the parking. If the main parking lot was closed (because it was full), then the company should have a possibility to “right it” by substituting another lot. But if the OP simply left when he saw it full and parked wherever he liked, then that is another story.

    Nevertheless, I agree with your point that prepaid parking is tantamount to reserve parking. I had monthly parking in NYC for many years. Even if the lot had a “lot full” sign I got in. That’s their problem since I prepaid each month. I dropped my SUV in front of the office and it was their problem to park it wherever there was space. I suppose the same applies to anyone who prepays parking. That’s why I mentioned in my earlier post that it is a SCAM to accept prepayment if the company will not reserve space.

  • TonyA_says

    Question is this more out-of-pocket rule than benefit-of-the-bargain rule (assuming there was fraud)?

  • Marcia

    Ditto..this is typical of the poor service that is getting rampant ” out there”. A paid reservation is an expectation of service. He should get $130 back and a free voucher an an apology.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Johnson/669239199 Chris Johnson

    What was the point of paying $64 in advance if the parking company couldn’t honor the rate? Parking companies are just all-around shady, no matter where you are or how you look at it.

  • IGoEverywhere

    It sounds like another internet scam. It’s too good to be true? Don’t get involved, just get on to revising TSA.

  • Joe Farrell

    Yep. This is basic. The lack of a contract provision simply means that basic common law (common sense) applies. They owe him $130. End of story.

  • Joe Farrell

    You cannot take someone’s money and not provide something. It’s not akin to a no refundable airline ticket. Imagine buying a nonref airline ticket and the airline tells you sorry, we’re full, go away. Ok then, point made. This one is so clear it almost crosses the line to fraud.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Your example is exactly how I would hope it would have been handled. I’m rather amazed Premier didn’t have some sort of deal in place to cover this sort of situation. It can’t be unheard of.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Did Chris edit the article to make things clearer? Because as it reads now, Dutchess is 100% correct. He got his $64 back via refund, so now he’s owed the $130 minus the original $64. Yet I see tons of posts saying he’s owed $130, which would result in him parking for free.

  • y_p_w

    I used to work in a “downtown” area and got a monthly parking pass paid by my employer, with entry using a proximity card. The sign the put out used to say “LOT FULL (monthly parkers excepted). I could just enter even when hourly customers were turned away. Typically when it was “FULL” there would be a few spaces, but sometimes I went around looking and couldn’t find a space until someone left. I don’t think they had anyone actually tallying the number of cars in the garage, but would eyeball it.

    That was great too. There were special event rates, and my monthly parking was valid even when others were paying $20 prepaid to get in.

  • TonyA_says

    The real issue here is associating PREPAY to RESERVED space status. Rightly [or wrongly] people think that just because they prepaid they are entitled to sure parking space at that specific lot. In the case of the OP, I think he thought he was entitled to park anywhere else he wanted and expected the lot to pay for the difference.

    It’s like prepaying for a hotel room and when you check in the hotel is oversold. Common sense tells me that you expect to be WALKED to another hotel of their choice. You cannot simply go to any other hotel of your choice and expect the hotel to refund you the difference.

    That said, I don’t like prepaying for airport parking.

  • Edward Boston

    “In the case of the OP, I think he thought he was entitled to park anywhere else he wanted and expected the lot to pay for the difference.”

    The story states…

    “I was advised by the parking lot attendant to park nearby on the other parking lot.”

    So it was the parking company’s employee that sent him to the more expensive lot. It wasn’t the OP’s choice.

  • Edward Boston

    Going through the process on the web page, you are presented with “Reservation Info” during the process. So this is not a case of Prepaying but actually making a reservation.

  • TonyA_says

    If you believe that, then this sounds like a scam (my original opinion). This is not WALKING the customer to another lot. It’s like telling the customer to get lost (while keeping his money).

  • Elmo Clarity

    Reading Edward’s response to your post, you stated that you though the OP was entitled to park anywhere he wanted. Edward was just pointing out that it was the attendant who directed the OP to the other lot.

    Also, this is not a scam. Premier is not a fly-by-night operation. This sounds more like a case of a poorly trained attendant not knowing what to do in this case. It could very well be that there was a space for the OP but the attendant only thought full meant no spaces period.

  • TonyA_says

    It looks like the company has a SUBSTITUTION clause in their contract which addresses oversales. The questions is whether they actually provided a SUBSTITUTE to the OP. From the looks of it, the OP used another lot that had nothing to do with the original lot since he could not use the prepayment (he made on the website). Was the company or its employees simply negligent? Did the OP go to the wrong substitute lot? Or did the company never planned to offer a substitute lot so there was misrepresentation?

    If you mediate and get the difference of $130 and the $64 already refunded to the OP all you are doing is making the OP whole and keeping quiet about the lot’s shitty service. The real solution is getting the OP back his money and the lot FIXING its OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS so others do not get scammed.

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    Actually if you RTFA you will see they already refunded the $64 so all he deserves. Now is the difference between 64 and 130. If they refund the whole 130 he basically got to park for free which isn’t right either.

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    Right, and if you RTFA they already refunded the 64 so he deserves the difference between 130 and 64.

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    No, it was there the whole time they just choose what they want to read or believe he should be 100% refunded for every penny.

  • flutiefan

    “Premier made no promises of an available spot when it took his money”… that confuses me. isn’t their entire business to give you a parking spot in exchange for money?

  • flutiefan

    for the greater NYC area, i’d say this was an INSANE deal!
    (by contrast, LGA charges $33/day for their close-in lots. there aren’t too many outside parking companies to create much competition.)

  • flutiefan

    BillW wasn’t claiming that the company didn’t have any liability. sheeeesh. he was just making an observation (and as one who actually worked at LAX, a completely valid one, at that) about the OP getting a good deal on the original lot. my goodness.

  • Edward Boston

    Keep your “my goodness” to yourself. BillW only commented on the price the OP paid. His comment doesn’t support your claim of his comment about liability. There was no comment about the actual subject of the situation.

  • Elmo Clarity

    That is what everyone is saying. OP deserves the $130. Premier has already paid $64 of it.

  • Guest

    Look above Edward CLEARLY says they owe him $130. Please tell me where he says they owe him $66.

  • Edward Boston

    I clearly state that in fact the OP is owed $130. The story clearly states he got $64 of that back. I didn’t present the math to show what the balance was because I thought people who can read would be able to figure out the difference between what was owed (130) and what was due (66). Maybe that was expecting too much from some people.

  • flutiefan

    exactly my point: he was just making a price observation!
    MY GOODNESS!

  • Edward Boston

    MY GOODNESS! It was a comment that added nothing to the discussion other than to imply the guy should have been happy paying as little as he did. Oh, and as one who PARKS at LAX, I can get parking for around that price too so it was not a valid observation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/judyserie.nagy Judy Serie Nagy

    Arriving at a parking lot with a prepaid space and being turned away would be very disconcerting before you leave on a trip. If they took his money online, they should have had a space for him for the amount he paid. So Premier needs to clean up its act.
    But the OP is paying so little for 12 days of parking … even $130 is a good deal (unless parking at EWR is that cheap??) so I would have just walked away. OP is doing people a service by highlighting this potential scam action on the part of Premier.

  • Elmo Clarity

    The amount the OP is paying is irrelevant to the discussion. The fact is the parking company took his money for a reservation (not prepaid – the online process specifically states it as a reservation) and failed to deliver on the contract. It doesn’t matter if they paid 1 cent or $100 a day for parking. Hey did not get what was paid for.