Black mold in my Amtrak cabin — how about a refund?

Here’s a case where a ticket contract and the reality of an experience find themselves on a head-on collision of sorts. And I’m kinda in the middle.

Heather Ormsbee and her family of four recently took Amtrak’s California Zephyr from Salt Lake City to Chicago. But when they boarded the train, they were shocked at the conditions.

She writes,

Our sleeping cabin and the three airplane-size bathrooms that at least 15 people were using were filthy.

There was black mold growing on the ceilings, floor, closet doors and vents and there was a one-inch layer of hair, dirt, etc. on the seats that also became our bed at night.

When Ormsbee pointed the less-than-immaculate conditions to an attendant, she was told to take pictures and send in a complaint. So that’s what she did.

I’ve posted an image of the bathroom above. Here’s a closer look at some of the mold.

Ormsbee continues,

By the time our train arrived in Chicago, we couldn’t imagine getting on the next one headed toward Washington, D.C. So we rented a car and drove the 12 hours home to Philadelphia (and additional $350 expense).

When we got to the Chicago train station, there was a long line for complaints and they just handed everyone a paper that listed phone numbers that we could call to contact an Amtrak representative.

Well, that didn’t go as planned.

The Ormsbees contacted Amtrak in writing, and it agreed to refund $767 for the unused portion of the trip. It also apologized for what it called “dirt” and blamed it on its personnel.

Amtrak gave the family a $100 voucher which, “as you can imagine, we’re not real eager to use,” says Ormsbee.

She’d like a full refund of her fare. But Amtrak’s terms of transportation suggest it did its job — transporting her family to Chicago.

I’ve had several cases like this in the past. Refunding the unused fare and apologizing for the condition of the cabin is appropriate. The voucher, while nice, is unnecessary; anyone who voluntarily left a train mid-journey is unlikely to try Amtrak again in the near future.

But a full refund? I don’t know. Amtrak got the Ormsbees to Chicago. I’m not sure if I can push for more.

At the same time, the cabin conditions were unacceptable, and a borderline breach of contract.

From the Amtrak site:

Experienced travelers say the California Zephyr is one of the most beautiful train trips in all of North America. As you climb through the heart of the Rockies, and further west through the snow-capped Sierra Nevadas, you may find it hard to disagree.

Reserve a spacious coach seat for your journey or, for a more luxurious experience, reserve a roomette or bedroom in one of the Superliner sleeping cars.

Um, maybe not.

  • http://www.pipdigital.com Nancy Dickinson

    IMHO, ‘Nuff said…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QQ5YDJ7GFU6ALNMVX5OFNSPMTY Warren49

    To be perfectly honest, Amtrak has many problems.  The company has never been adequately funded, from day one.  Had the railroad companies had their way, passenger service probably would have ended for good in the early 70s.  Amtrak came into existence to save at least a basic system of long distance rail transportation.  The notion that privatizing it now would somehow “save” it seems quaint, at best.  Other than possibly the northeast corridor, there would be no companies interested in operating a passenger rail company, least of all the freight rail companies.  There would be no rails on which to run the trains (Amtrak pays rent to run most of it’s trains, by law….a new private company would not have the legal authority to make the freight railroads rent right of way to them).  “Privatizing” is non-starter. 

    As far as these complaints are concerned, yes, I would say the photos show some sloppy housekeeping.  I am disappointed that we do not see pictures of the room interiors, which are far more important than the public restrooms.  Canceling all service because of one incident tells me that someone is probably looking for a reason to complain.  I don’t see that as objective criticism.

  • Joe Farrell

     Everybody lies . . . .

    I practiced employment law for 30 years  . . . everybody lies.  My client ALWAYS lied.  Did not matter if I repped the employer or employee. But I knew that going in.  Every single case the employer claimed this employee was the worst they ever hired and the employee claimed they were an unappreciated angel who was just wronged through insider politics and whatever excuse existed that week. . . .

    Sure – some folks were mostly accurate but there was always some white lie in there somewhere that when discovered destroyed the client’s credibility whether it is the employer or employee they always exist.  I never complained and saw my role as more of a bs detector trying to spot the misleading facts and uncover some of what really happened . . . .

  • Anonymous

    Many western foreigners will tell you Americans are known elsewhere as “too clean,” and obsessed with cleanliness.  While filth is not a selling point, public accommodations which are a bit dirty are to be expected.  Ever walk into an airplane rest room on a 15-hour flight?  Come on.  Ever ask for a refund with puddles of urine on the floor, no towels, and a stench?   

    An “inch-thick layer of hair, dirt, etc.”?  OK, things were not like at home, but this traveler was a bit on the hysterical side.  I am not convinced they should have gotten anything more than a sincere apology and perhaps the voucher.  I am sure their onward seats went unfilled because they were no-shows.  Assess the proper penalty for no-shows and that’s that.  

  • Anonymous

    This is like riding Greyhound and complaining about the cramped conditions and the creepy dude sitting next to you. I mean really, what did they expect?

  • Anonymous

     Train Maids…. too funny.

  • Anonymous

     And everyone wants to take days to travel coast to coast.  Why just the other day I was saying that 6 hour flight was ridiculously short, and way cheaper than a rail ticket.

  • Anonymous

     Do they issue you a cattle prod or do you have to spring for it?

  • Ann Lamoy

    If there truly was black mold, as the OP is claiming, then Amtrak owes her a full refund. Black mold is potentially very dangerous, especially to those people with respiratory illness, eldery people and even healthy children. Granted, exposure is of fairly short duration as compared to someone that has it in their home, but Amtrak would still be liable if they were aware of any black mold issues and did not fix them.

    If there isn’t, as it appears from the pictures that this was just dirt?  I think Amtrak did what was necessary-refunded the unused portion of the ticket, apologized and offered a voucher.

    Personally I want to see more photographs. Including the 1″ of hair and dirt on the seats and actual proof of the black mold. Close ups would be nice. Because I sure as hell would be taking close up pictures of black mold on the train and plastering them all over the media.

  • http://jpportz.livejournal.com/ Jeremy

    The California Zephyr (San Fran-SLC-Chicago) does not have an exclusive observation car; that is unique to the Coast Starlight (LA-Oakland-Seattle).  It has a lounge car that all passengers can use.  It also has a diner which supplies the three included meals for sleeping car passengers (or on a cash basis for coach passengers).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lincoln-McMahon/9904234 Lincoln McMahon

    Besides the obvious lies about the room condition, I just don’t see any filthy conditions in the pictures. Sure, it appears as if someone had used the soap in the bathroom beforehand. I think it would be a horrendous waste of money for an attendant to clean the restroom between each use. If I demanded money back after using a restroom which had been used prior to its last cleaning, I would have spent less than $100 in my entire life.  Also, I know superliner equipment fairly well(the type of equipment described here) The bottom image is not from a restroom. I see what is possibly a coffee spill there (probably from earlier in the trip.) Other than that, It really does not look particularly dirty at all, although perhaps in need of a new paintjob. 

  • http://jpportz.livejournal.com/ Jeremy

    The problem is that demand for Amstrak sleeping car accomodation is quite high – almost every room is sold out on every trip.  So Amtrak can afford to be a little lax in their service delivery and piss off a few customers, because there will be plenty more who will gladly take that room, and pay for it.  I agree it’s not the epidome of luxury but I have travelled this way several times and enjoy the privacy of the private room and the slow pace of train travel – if I wanted true luxury I would fly first class and then stay in a top hotel.  A first class train trip is not cheap, but still much more affordable than other “luxury travel.”

  • http://jpportz.livejournal.com/ Jeremy

    There is nothing about “black mold” that is any more dangerous than any other mold.  Mold requires a fibrous surface to grow on (like wood or wallboard), and wouldn’t grow on the hard surfaces shown in the photos (it could grow on upholstry).  And of course the areas must be moist.  As stated in a few previous comments, this is likely a complete hysteria driven by some scaremongering TV show or ambulance chasing lawyers or something.  Good unbiased fact sheet here:  http://www.cdc.gov/mold/stachy.htm

  • Anonymous

    I stand corrected. I had one on the Capitol Ltd., so I thought that was afforded to all Pullman customers.

  • Anonymous

    I remember when the toilet was disguised as room furniture and we used to play at who can find the toilet first. As kids, we always had to wait in the hallway when our parents “went.” Now, the private bathrooms I’ve experenced are enclosed, somewhat like those in RVs. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/saucywench S E Tammela

    Nobody likes a grubby floor, but most people don’t plan to lick it. Ridiculous exaggeration is happening here. I think the refunded unused portion is fair; I’m sure that punished Amtrak appropriately for accidentally forgetting to clean the bathrooms perhaps once.

  • http://profiles.google.com/saucywench S E Tammela

    And could someone please explain to me what’s so disgusting about a soap mark on a counter? It’s SOAP. Ew, soap everywhere, how disgusting? What?!

  • Anonymous

    actually, the point IS to get you from A to B.  And they did that – and they refunded the portion which was not used – which in this case I think is all she deserved.  The black mold claim is just BS, and if the worst conditions were the seat, why no pics of that?  i think she was just embellishing, and she needs to put her big girl panties on and grow up!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe someone follows YOU around to clean up your messes, but public areas don’t have a person there to clean up after every single passenger — so if there really was a problem, she should have asked it be cleaned – not expect a free trip!

  • http://jpportz.livejournal.com/ Jeremy

    The term “Pullman” does not apply to any accomodation offered on Amtrak.  That term was last used in the 1960s! The observation/lounge on the Capitol Ltd is not exclusive – all classes of service can access it.  As I said, the only long distance route with an exclusive lounge – which is called a “Parlour Car” and offers wine tastings – is the Coast Starlight between Los Angeles and Seattle.

  • Anonymous

    I’m aware that the term Pullman is anachronistic. On the train I was on, the attendant led me to believe that the observation car I was in was for those with rooms. If he was wrong, I apologize for him too.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t return to the establishment or submit a comment on Yelp.com.

    They won’t care that I do not come back, but they do not want it posted publicly.

  • Dan Church

    When you are traveling, it’s not unusual to find housekeeping far from perfect. I recall my wife pulling me away from fixtures in our $450+ Sheraton Park room in New York. I was cleaning up using toilet paper. Of course, I should have called for housekeeping, but…
    Of interest, on occasion at home in corners I find unacceptable housekeeping. But, of course, this is MY grime.