Who’s really to blame for these absurd luggage rules?

Just the mention of the words “baggage” and “rule” in the same sentence is enough to raise the blood pressure of the average air traveler.

But Ellie Duram’s story is special. It’s a series of run-ins with pure airline ridiculousness that it merits a closer look, and prompts a bigger question: Who’s responsible for the sad state of affairs, when it comes to luggage?

Let’s start with an incident that happened a few months ago on a Delta Air Lines flight from Wichita, Kan., to Detroit. Duram was spending a week with her sister, so she paid Delta $25 for a checked bag.

“At the luggage carousel in Detroit, everybody else on my flight picked up their bag and left,” she remembers. “After an hour my bag had not shown up, so I went to the baggage claim office. The gal asked me: ‘How long has it been?’ When I said an hour, she said: ‘It’s only been an hour? If it doesn’t show up in two hours, you come back and tell me.’”

Two hours later, still no sign of her missing bag. Her sister was circling the terminal, waiting to pick up Duram. Finally, she returned to the luggage office and asked again. An airline representative radioed someone and assured her the bag would be there – and sure enough, two hours and fifteen minutes later, she was reunited with her luggage.

Duram asked Delta to refund her $25, but it refused. After all, it had transported her bag from Wichita to Detroit; just not at exactly the same time as her.

New government rules require an airline to refund your baggage fee if it loses your property. But it wouldn’t have done her any good. Delta and other airlines typically only consider a bag “lost” if it’s missing in action for more than 21 days (have a look at Delta’s customer commitment).

Duram is baffled by the silliness of Delta’s refusal, so she decides to carry her bag on her next flight to Atlanta (again, on Delta). After her flight landed, the fun began.

“The compartment directly over my head, where my bag was, would not open,” she says. “The pilot showed up and pounded on it. He couldn’t get it pryed open either, so he said: ‘I’ll need to call a mechanic.’”

The mechanic finally opened the compartment, but she missed her connecting flight and ended up spending the night in Atlanta at Delta’s expense. Delta even threw in a voucher for the trouble, because somewhere along the way, a Delta representative said she’d also been bumped from her connecting flight. (Technically, hers was a “mechanical” delay, but Delta treated it like an involuntary denied boarding situation – either way, airlines are required to compensate customers when those happen.)

And then, the kicker — when Duram tried to redeem the voucher, she encountered a common but aggravating problem: the phone reservation fee.

“The cost of the flight was $483 so with my $400 voucher I figured I would need to charge $83 to my credit card,” she says. “Wrong. They charged $108 to my card. Why? Because I phoned in my reservation!”

That’s right, a $25 fee applies to each phone reservation. And the only way to redeem the voucher is by phone.

If you didn’t hear yourself exclaiming, “That’s ridiculous!” as you read Duram’s account, then maybe you work for an airline.

Her story is as absurd as it is common.

Here’s what should have happened: Delta should have coughed up Duram’s luggage fee without her having to ask for it. The $25 fee is paid with the understanding that the bag will be delivered with the passenger.

That might have prevented her from wedging what was probably an oversize bag into her overhead compartment on her next flight, and maybe she would have made her connecting flight to Wichita.

And then Duram wouldn’t have had to deal with the preposterous voucher redemption system that requires users to pay a $25 usage fee. (You’d think an airline as sophisticated as Delta would figure out a way of allowing online redemptions – unless, of course, the phone redemptions were a profit center.)

I don’t mean to pick on Delta. The same kinds of stories are told about other legacy airlines, who have their own kind of logic and sense of customer service that defies any convention.

But what’s truly amazing – ridiculous, really – is that we let them. So-called watchdogs say these dumb rules are necessary in order for an airline to turn a profit. Airline apologists who specialize in collecting useless airline miles say any criticism of the rules comes because we really don’t have an insider-level understanding of the airline business, which is apparently required in order to comment on anything an airline does, no matter how outrageous.

And, of course, we passengers perpetuate this system because we pay for it without questioning it. Perhaps that’s the most ridiculous thing of all.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Raven, you crack me up…

  • pradcliffe

     Give me a break.  Airlines nickel and dime passengers every way possible, including charging for luggage, because they want their fares to appear lower in their ads.  And now two airlines are charging for a carry-on.  It will cost you from $10 to $30 to take your standard carry-on on the flight and $35 if you don’t pay in advance.  So, for a long trip or one in which you have to a carry sports equipment bag, you could easily pay $175 round trip for two checked bags and a carry on. 

  • Joe_D_Messina

    a) Be told what the limitations of the service are: your bag might not turn up on the same flight you do
    b) Expect that the bag is going to be ready for collection in a timely manner at the destination
    ______________________________________

    That part of the OP’s  letter confused me. Not sure exactly what happened with her checked bag. If it were on a different flight, I’d have expected the employee to tell her that and have a good idea when it would be arriving. Instead, the “check back if it’s not here in 2 hours” sounds like they had no clue where the bag was and it might have been lost between the plane and baggage claim.  Also, I thought there were rules that checked luggage had to be on the same plane as the traveler because of security concerns.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Now that’s scary, sounds like the “Fly or Cry” fares airlines issue on Expedia.  I don’t know the details on these, but a gate agent I was chatting with told me about them and said they refer to them as “Fly or Cry”.  She said a lot of the “Un-Published” fares on Expedia have no residual value if unused, cannot be changed, and a seat can only be assigned at the gate.  If they are oversold, or the person is late and misses the flight, then they get nothing, no re-accommodation, nada.  The ticket is used up.  She did say they often will try to rebook people if they are truly IDBd, but that they don’t have to on them.  It really shocked me. 
     
    Tony, maybe you know more about these fares?  I have never actually purchased one, and plan to never do so.  But I could see someone trying to save money, buying one and getting screwed.  I wonder what would happen with the new Delta fare if they can’t accommodate someone.

  • TonyA_says

    Oh sure that kind of sloppy work can happen. Flyertalk is full of those kinds of horror stories.
    One guy posted that it took 90 minutes to get his bag at DTW  http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17665989-post10.html

    I think it has something to do with very little competition in Detroit. She did have UA and AA options for ICT-DTW but one is undergoing merger pains and the other is bankrupt. Choose your poison.

    This is not the only thing that’s broken in America. I really don’t expect much more from them. But so far, I have been impressed with Southwest here in LGA.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Oh this is priceless!!!!!!!!!

  • Sadie_Cee

    Or charge it to her credit card.

  • y_p_w

    To be fair to most airlines, they’re not making money selling bottled water.  Most of the carriers still have complimentary beverages on board.  You could certainly purchase a beverage sold past the secure area that you could take on board, but that’s going to to an airport concession and not the airlines.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Your right about bags being free back then, but the bit about airlines charging because the TSA will not allow it is a little too conspiracy theory for me.  I personally believe it was because 1. People were asking to pay less if they didn’t check, and 2. Anything they sell as an add-on is subject to a lower corporate tax rate.

  • http://twitter.com/travelingiraffe Crissy

    Cheap flyers asked for cheap fares, not for unbundling.  The airlines dropped the prices so low they couldn’t pay their bills and decided to unbundle to make more money – hence it’s the airlines faults.  

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Yeah, that part was pretty galling. Knowing a bag was missing should have allowed them to make a call and start tracking it down. Instead, the plan was just to hope it showed up on its own? And, since they apparently hadn’t done the paperwork for a delayed/missing bag, it sounds like the OP was basically hostage at the airport until the bag appeared.

  • Sadie_Cee

    Me too!

  • Chasmosaur

    Oh, I hate checking a bag through to DCA. Average wait is usually 30 minutes and I’ve had it take up to an hour or more.  That isn’t the problem I’m talking about here.

    The issues is the bags arrived from her flight, except for the OP’s. After waiting an hour, Delta told her she had to wait another hour to file a lost bag complaint.  *That’s* unacceptable.

    Delta lost my bag during the NWA merger transition on a flight to MSP (so also little competition since that used to be NWA’s HQ hub).  The staff couldn’t have been nicer about getting the process started, and the carousel had only just stopped spinning minutes before. 

    Customer service training needs to be consistent.  That’s not happening here.

  • bodega3

    Give you a break on what?  Customers asked for the unbundling.  ‘I am not checking luggage so why shouldn’t I get a discount off my ticket?”.  “I can’t stand the food so I don’t want it, just give me that amount off my ticket?”.  The airline’s listened, saw a way to appease and also make more money.

  • bodega3

    So it is which came first, the chicken or the egg? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I will have to try that next time :)

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    If you actually looked at my profile properly you’d realise I’m CTO of a firm that builds operations software for moving planes and people around within the aviation industry, for business aviation predominantly which means it’s actually more complex in some cases than for civil airline setups with established rotas, etc. I know more about logistics inside airports than 80% of staff working for an airline do.

    You however work for Delta, and *hate* that we all hate Delta. Your attitude is typical Delta.

    There is nothing wrong with working for an airline. I love the attitude that many people who work for airlines have. What I hate is the constant assumption from some airline staff (read: Delta staff and you), that the customer is at fault and there was nothing anybody at the airline could do other than be sarcastic, condescending and rude.

    Your post on this that the customer is at fault for not reading small print and the law and that they MUST have brought an oversized bag with them, is not in the spirit of customer service: if that was your mother, would you not understand she isn’t going to read the COC, and she just did what she was told and still got treated badly?

    Oh, and FWIW and FYI, financing airlines with “tax dollars” is pretty much illegal in Europe as is any other state subsidy of any other private enterprise.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    That rule is only for international flights.
     
    I think in this case, the OP just got a lazy employee who couldn’t be bother to look it up, and just assumed her bag was on the next flight.  There is no excuse for her laziness.  It could be the bag was on the next flight, or it got stuck somewhere, or it was simply sitting behind the entrance to the conveyor.
     
    I remember one time I had a bag not show up, and I had to wait for 5 angry people complaining about minor marks on their bags.  It took an hour to wait for all 5 irate people to chew out the baggage rep.  Finally it was my turn, he scanned my tag, said the bag was on my flight, and opened the door, my bag had fallen off at the mouth of the conveyor and was just sitting back there and he brought it right out.  I felt so badly for this guy because of the way those people treated him.  And one had a bright white leather bag that now had a slight dark scuff; I am surprised her bag wasn’t in worse shape. I kept thinking “What type of idiot would check a bag like that?” He ended up giving all of them $150 e-certificates, white bag lady was pissed and wanted $1,000 cash to replace her bag.  Again, no excuse for the OPs baggage person, she should have looked it up and not told her to wait 2 hours.  But baggage agents get a lot of abuse.

  • TonyA_says

    Now of course, Delta still has to follow the DOT Rules on Bumping (Denied Boarding). For for anything else, watch out! Here is the penalty rule:

    FARE RULES TEXT
     
        FOR E- TYPE FARES   NOTE – RULE NOCH IN DGR APPLIES
     
    GENERAL RULES TEXT
     
        UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
          CANCELLATIONS
            TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW.
                 NOTE –
                  TICKET MAY NOT BE APPLIED TOWARDS PURCHASE OF ANY    
                  OTHER TICKET.
                  THIS CANCELLATION FEE WILL ALSO BE ASSESSED TO
                  REFUNDS OF COUPONS INVOLVING FARES GOVERNED BY
                  THIS RULE.
          CHANGES
            CHANGES NOT PERMITTED.
                 NOTE –
                  STANDBY IS NOT PERMITTED
                  SAME DAY CONFIRM/SDC-
                   PASSENGERS HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS AND
                   TICKETS MAY CONFIRM EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY
                   FLIGHTS BETWEEN SAME ORIGIN/DESTINATION/
                   STOPOVER POINTS FOR A NON-REFUNDABLE FEE OF
                   USD 50.00 PLUS ANY DIFFERENCE IN GOVERNMENT
                   IMPOSED ITINERARY BASED FEES IF APPLICABLE.
                   NEW ITINERARY MAY NOT BE CONFIRMED MORE THAN
                   3 HOURS PRIOR TO DEPARTURE TIME OF NEW FLIGHT.
                   SEAT INVENTORY MUST BE AVAILABLE IN THE CABIN
                   APPLICABLE TO THE FARE CHARGED. THE NEW
                   ITINERARY MUST BE VALID FOR THE ORIGINAL FARE
                   PURCHASED.
                   EXCEPTION- IF ORIGINAL FARE PURCHASED REQUIRES
                   TRAVEL VIA A CONNECTING POINT – TRAVEL VIA
                   NON STOP SERVICE IS PERMITTED FOR NO DIFFERENCE
                   IN FARE.

    You said it – Fly or Cry. Remember this IS a published fare so you will see it on Delta’s website.
    Buyer Beware.

  • Sadie_Cee

    Saw it done once at MIA by Air Jamaica (now defunct).  There were mountains of luggage at the gate, the flight was four hours late.  PAX would not cooperate with requests to check luggage, so four agents went through the crowd and ruthlessly seized and removed bags.  Never heard any instructions about labelling so I wonder if some people were ever reunited with their luggage.

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    One heck of an assumption. ICAO says the largest carry on luggage has to be within certain parameters: 56 by 26 by 43cm IIRC, although most airlines bring it in a bit from that, typically 50x20x40cm normally, or thereabouts.

    Nobody, and I mean *nobody* at an airline is going to let something bigger than that into the cabin. It’s potentially dangerous. So, you’re making the assumption she is at fault, when it’s most likely the overhead bin catch just snagged on it. It happens sometimes – especially if the bag moves inflight at all and a handle has wrapped itself around the catch somehow.

  • Lindabator

    AMEN!   These are the same folks who’ll book a suite at the Grand Floridian at Disney, but want to fly for $29 roundtrip, and DO NOT PAY for the luggage – why, when they can just inconvenience all of US by bringing it on board! 

  • Sadie_Cee

    How is this for going above and beyond the call of duty?  On arrival at MCO, one bag did not appear.  Everyone else had gone and the member of my party whose bag it was became very anxious.  We went to the baggage claim desk and were informed that all baggage had been removed from the flight.  The woman left the desk and returned with us to the carousel area.  She said the only thing that could have happened was that the bag and become stuck in the chute.  She climbed up into the chute, found the bag, dislodged  it and started it on its descent.  I should mention that she was wearing a skirt and heels that day.  We were grateful indeed for this extra service.  Never seen anything like this!

  • emanon256

    I am curious why you think Tony works for Delta?  He has been posting on here for a long long time about what he does as a travel agent, and always does his homework to make sure correct information is posted.  He has called me out plenty of times as well, and I appreciate his honesty.

  • emanon256

    And funny how you are calling Tony out for a change you made to your profile after his post.  Just saying.

  • Lindabator

    LOVED IT!!!!

  • TonyA_says

    As lame as this might sound, that kind of talk from the baggage lost and found person might be accurate.

    While I have never had to claim delayed bags at DTW, even if that used to be NWA’s hub to Asia so it was “mandatory” for me to use it.;)
    Now, Delta as a nonstop from JFK to NRT so I don’t need DTW anymore. Nevertheless, I remember at one time, I tried to inquire about my delayed luggage in LGA. To be honest, the floor leading to the room was jam-packed with luggage that I couldn’t even walk to and get to the room. The lady just shouted to me “WAIT LONGER”. Ok.

    I’m surprised many Americans still expect HIGH QUALITY service when they are (1) not willing to pay for it, or (2) can’t [themselves] really do a fundamentally quality job (that a FOXCONN Chinese kid can do assemblying an iPad or iPhone).

    Lousy baggage handling is not the only thing in DECLINE here. I’m to the point I only expect to arrive alive in one piece from point A to B. I’ve lowered my expectations.

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    My Disqus profile pointed to my twitter profile when you click on it, which he could have clicked on in 3 seconds before trashing me.

  • Lindabator

    No, he doesn’t.  But since you don’t normally post here, of COURSE he must work for Delta.  Head’s up – he is a travel agent, and very knowledgeable about such things. 

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    Because I can’t understand who else in the World would defend Delta for shocking customer service, other than a Delta employee.

    Of course if he is an agent, and he sells a lot of Delta flights, that might be another reason.

    But in essence, his defence of the indefendible is just staggering. And that’s what I expect from Delta.

  • TonyA_says

    A Delta employee living in Stamford, Connecticut? Maybe Atlanta. Nice try.

  • Lindabator

    Just because you post here ONCE, you think you of which you speak – you don’t.  Tony is NOT an employee of Delta, he is an independant travel agent, so knows his stuff.  Unlike you – so don’t post your “opinion” as if it was the word of God – you are not as knowledgeable, and do not get it at all.  Stick with your private jet sales.

  • Lindabator

    ‘Cause this guy has never posted here before, obviously.  And the inof HE is posting is not fact, merely opinion.  But heaven forbid Tony state a little thing like FACTS!

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    He might know the COC inside out and he might know the policy, but does that mean it’s *right*? That it’s defensible?

    It’s utterly absurd to defend customer service like this, and that’s what we’re talking about.

  • Lindabator

    Don’t get that either – reported it immediatley in DTW when they didn’t have mine – they delivered to my home later that day!

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    OK you don’t work for Delta.

    So explain to me exactly how you think this is a sensible set of policies that people should expect.

    You’re in the service industry, you understand customer services, how many of your customers read COC and DOT rules? How would you feel if a member of your own family was treated this way?

  • Lindabator

    When is the last time YOU flew commercial???   This happens all the time, and has NOTHING to do with dangerous items – has to do with folks wanting to take their whole closet with them!

  • TonyA_says

    According to Wikipedia:

    As a result of the deal, the French government’s share of Air France was
    reduced from 54.4% (of the former Air France) to 44% (of the combined
    airline). Its share was subsequently reduced to 25%, and later to 18.6%.

    Hmmm, even my kids read wikipedia.

    No government financing or subsidy, yeah baby !

  • Lindabator

    I know – and being based in DTW, I can only hope my clients are smarter – and will take MY recommendation!

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    I fly commercial most weeks. I normally fly BA who have bins at check-in and at the gate carry-on luggage must be able to fit in if it’s to be boarded. If it won’t fit, it’s checked at the gate. It’s not just BA who do this, I’ve seen it with other airlines. If Delta don’t do it, well, it’s just another sign of how little Delta carea.

  • http://twitter.com/p7r Paul Robinson

    Share ownership does not imply subsidy. The scenario you describe means the French government take money OUT of Air France in the form of share dividends, not put money IN (which is what is required for it to be a subsidy).

    The French taxpayer therefore benefits from this (it’s revenue in the treasury, not outgoings), as opposed to their money being spent on the airline in the form of a grant/loan/etc.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I’m not sure which has me more entertained – the comedy of errors related to the OPs luggage issues or the comments here.  I’ve been laughing at them all morning!

    But…  I feel Delta needs to return some baggage fees.  Yes, they DID get the OPs luggage to her but it sure wasn’t in the timely manner we’ve all come to expect.

    I also feel all these fees are the airlines working as hard as they possibly can to separate us from our money to increase their profits.  I’m all for profits and I don’t feel any company should operate at a loss but when I start feeling more like an ATM than a customer, something’s wrong with the system.

  • TonyA_says

    Dear CTO Paul Robinson,
    You say you “know more about logistics
    inside airports than 80% of staff working for an airline do”.

    Well let me tell you something Mr CTO -  I have a graduate degree in America’s oldest technological research university and I worked in FedEx (including logistics group) for almost a decade before I went on my own and formed my own company.If you think YOU are better than FedEx folks in logistics you are probably dreaming.Also, I couldn’t find any of your papers in AGIFORS. Maybe it’s just my weak eyesight. But, if you are anybody who is brilliant in OR/Logistics for airlines, maybe you would have published something there.Your friendly TA from Connecticut.:-)

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Careful Paul – if you dare to disagree with some of the posters here, they tend to make you their target and will post an angry, disagreeable response to EVERYTHING you post, whether you’re right or not.

    However, thanks for taking the heat off me.

  • TonyA_says

    My family has had (very) delayed luggage often. We expect it to happen so we prepare for it. We also carry a day’s worth of clothes on our hand carry.

    I’m not losing sleep over delayed bags – especially a 2hr delay.

  • TonyA_says

    I notice it happens more often on connecting flights, especially if you are on a small airplane (that might bulk out).

    Anyway, as you said, report it and they deliver at home.
    This has happened to us many times so I don’t bother to wait much longer. I just give them our address and they deliver.

    Maybe the guy (contractor) delivering to our house shares his fee with the baggage handlers? :-)

  • TonyA_says

    Believe me MOST Americans love it when airlines don’t use the sizer. They can save $25 in check in fees. 35 bucks for the 2nd one.

    Also in the USA we rely on the FAA to make the safety rules (not necessarily ICAO).

    http://www.faa.gov/passengers/prepare_fly/baggage/

    The maximum size carry-on bag for most airlines is 45 linear inches (the total of the height, width, and depth of the bag). Anything larger should be checked.

  • Sometime_flier

    I’ve actually seen this at ORD. I was returning to IAD on United back in November, the Monday after Thanksgiving, and some guy came to the waiting area with a bag that was huge, clearly larger than any overhead bin would ever accommodate. A gate agent told him he would have to check it or he couldn’t board. He threw quite a fit, insisting that nobody at the ticket counter had told him he couldn’t bring it onboard (which could certainly be true, but any nitwit should have been able to see just by looking that it was too big!), but she stood her ground and he ultimately caved. It was nice to see things work the way they should have!

  • TonyA_says

    Also Paul, I wonder if you remember when they first opened up LHR T5. BA lost thousands and thousands of bags! Then they allowed 2 carry-ons without question.

    You guys in the UK are experts in logistics but the T5 experience says otherwise.

  • djp98374

    I’m also an ops research/applied math person….you two need to play nice.

    I agree with Paul on the premise that you pay to check your bag there is an implied expectations it’s there with you at the end of the flight. if not then you get your money back. Alaska airlines has such policy.

    As for Tony, he doesn’t work for the airlines but understands the logistics to know the issues in the system.

    As for writing papers…I’m not interested in that stuff..if I did then I’d work as a university professor. Writing papers doesn’t make you some expert.