A legitimate complaint wrapped inside a frivolous one — should I let this case go?

A rainy day at the airport. / Photo by Carib b – Flickr Creative Commons
I don’t normally dismiss cases reflexively, but when I hear someone complaining about special meals, it takes a lot for me to follow through and contact an airline on their behalf.

But Anthony Harris’ problem was different. Yes, he had an issue with the kosher meal he says US Airways failed to provide on his flight from New York to London, but there was also the matter of the $100 cab fare he had to pay after his first flight was canceled.

All of this raises a bigger question: Should I advocate for travelers whose grievances are framed in a way that they make it difficult, if not impossible, to successfully mediate?

Don’t misunderstand me. Spending half a day on a plane without any edible food is no small problem. But complaints about in-flight cuisine are generally considered frivolous by the airline; their attitude is, “Well, consider yourself lucky that we had any food on the flight.” (And in a day and age when meals aren’t included in the price of even a transcontinental flight, they have a point.)

Harris’ grievance about kosher meals was further undermined by a complaint about a rude flight attendant. Again, many airlines feel that having anyone attend to your needs is a luxury, so if one of their attendants gets snippy, so what?

I don’t share that view, by the way. I think crewmembers should always be polite. Let them be rude when they’re off the clock. Go on, flight attendants, leave an unkind comment on my site if you really want to vent. I can take it!

Harris was scheduled to fly from New York to Philadelphia and then on to London. But his shuttle flight to Philadelphia was canceled, so he had to take a cab to Philadelphia to make the connection, he says.

“This cost an extra $100,” he noted.

Harris also wants a refund for the New York-to-Philadelphia leg, because he couldn’t use it. That sounds fair (wait for US Airways’ response before deciding if it is, though).

Now, about the airline food. I’ll let Harris explain:

Our party had ordered kosher meals and US Airways was one short and one of our party never received the meal.

Approximately half an hour after the meals had been finished, one of the stewardesses tapped me on the shoulder just as I had fallen asleep and told me that it was my fault that the other person had not had a meal, as it was given to me instead.

Apparently, it was not on her list that I should get a kosher meal, even though my son traveling with me and sitting next to me was down for the meal.

I had ordered a kosher meal, I had checked that the meal had been put on the flight and had been given the meal and had eaten it — it was a ridiculous thing to suggest that it was my fault.

Later, when flight attendants handed out snacks, Harris asked about the kosher meals again.

“I told the stewardess very politely that I was not very happy with this, as these meals had been ordered when the tickets were booked,” he says. “She again tried to blame me and also said there was nothing they could do now.”

And then came the confrontation.

I shrugged my shoulders and was going to leave it at that. However, one of the stewards saw me shrugging my shoulders and started shouting at me that I had been complaining all through the flight about the food — which was absolutely not true — and then he swore at me twice.

He said, “I don’t give a s**t.”

This was absolutely unacceptable behavior from one of your staff members and I would like a full refund of my ticket for being shouted at and sworn at in public. I look forward to your very speedy reply or I will speak to my solicitor.

That’s British for, “Refund my ticket, or I’ll sue.”

US Airways’ response?

Based on what you’ve said and the information in your e-mails, our flight attendant didn’t handle the situation with the quality customer care we expect. I apologize and understand your frustration. I can assure you this doesn’t reflect the US Airways philosophy and your feedback will be used to help US improve service.

I’ve shared your experience with the inflight supervisory staff and appropriate InFlight Manager. This incident will also be discussed with the employee and handled internally.

While we are unable to provide the compensation you have requested, as a business courtesy, I’ve authorized two $50.00 Electronic Travel With US Vouchers (E-TUV).

Your request for a refund of the unused La Guardia to Philadelphia segment has been sent to our Refund Department. Please allow 14-21 business days for processing.

Mr. Harris, we know that you have many choices when it comes to traveling these days and we would welcome the opportunity to provide a more pleasurable experience on a future US Airways flight. At this time, we respectfully consider this file closed.

Harris doesn’t consider the matter closed.

He points out that if he’d said the same thing to the flight attendant, he’d be arrested for interfering with the flight crew. That’s probably true.

“It is for this unacceptable behavior that I am asking compensation,” he told me. “It created a lasting impression with me and all those who traveled with me.”

I think a full ticket refund is a little much. I’m more concerned with the canceled flight and the $100 cab ride to Philadelphia. US Airways blames air traffic problems for the cancellation, and it’s true that Harris should have spoken with a ticket agent about his options for connecting to his overseas flight instead of grabbing a cab to Philly.

Should I advocate for a refund of his $100 cab fare, even though it’s been overshadowed by an emotionally-charged grievance about airline food?

I have a strong suspicion that US Airways was technically following its contract by refunding the New York-Philadelphia leg while denying him the cab fare. But is that the right call?

  • bodega3

    It depends on the carrier, the length of the flight for US domestic travel.  However, if someone has a dietary concern, I put it in the PNR and even if it is a snack, in first class,so it is at least noted.  First class and business class pay for those meals in the price of the ticket, so a coach class passenger really shouldn’t be complaining except maybe that the curtain should be drawn to not offen their sight.  Thanks those cheapies who complainted about having to pay for a meal in coach and wanted their ticket price reduced. 

  • TonyA_says

     Michael, you are proving my point. When you talk (or plead) with the airline nicely, you usually will be re-accommodated to the best of their ability. Stranding a passenger is actually expensive and will simply add more work later (knock on effects).

    The way I understand this, the OP took it upon himself to go to PHL and board there (instead of EWR or LGA). I seriously doubt a desk agent in EWR/LGA would have told any passenger to take a cab to Philly. Therefore, I believe the OP self-accommodated.

    A little common sense is also needed here. As others have pointed out, there are so many non-stop options between JFK/EWR and LON. When one picks USAir for its low price, it should be intuitively obvious you are getting an “inferior” product. You have to connect to either one of:
    US728 PHL-LHR  950P 1000A#1
    US732 CLT-LGW  625P 720A#1
    You miss your Trans-Atlantic flight then you might have to wait the next day. The cheap price you paid REFLECTS that possibility. Since the OP was coming from NYC then he knew that having to get to PHL increased his risk. In other words, if he wants a less riskier flight (higher probability) to London, then he needed to buy a direct flight to London. But he didn’t. So this seems to be a case of you paid cheap and got everything that came with it.

  • lorcha

    Could it be that they were originally scheduled to travel on a Thursday, and that catching the next flight out would have not gotten them to their destination in London prior to sundown on Friday? Anyway, Shabbat is not mentioned in the complaint, so we’re way in the realm of hypotheticals at this point.

    That being said, with respect to observing Shabbat vs. Kashrut, one does not always imply the other. There are many situations where one might currently observe one and not the other. For instance, when a secular Jewish person is becoming more observant, it is generally recommended to take on only a few new commandments at a time, so it isn’t so overwhelming. 

    All that being said, LW is requesting too much of US Airways. He has already been fairly compensated for his troubles.

  • lost_in_travel

    Negotiation?  He starts high, airline starts low, maybe there is a meeting at a more reasonable place?  There have certainly been many cases of back and forth to get to a better outcome in other cases.   I agree a refund for the whole flight is too much.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    Actually a lot of the flight attendants on United airlines are very rude.  So…I kind of believe him on this one concerning US Airways.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Unfortunately, yes I have heard a flight attendant swear…and it was a very disturbing scene indeed.

    I was booked on a flight from Vegas to JFK, traveling with my two young children.  We boarded, sat for an hour, were off-boarded with no explanation, sat for a while, were onboarded again, then offboarded…this went on for something like 4 hours.  The gate agents were exceedingly rude, giving us no information…at one point the gate agents were telling us to board, the FAs were telling us to get off, and we poor passengers were bumping into each other like lemmings in the jetway. 

    During this confusion a young man apparently got frustrated said “WTF is going on around here?” (the whole words) to his girlfriend while standing in the jetway.  I didn’t hear it, even though I was near him – he must have said it pretty softly!  But apparently an FA did. We finally did get seated, and the plane fired up and was ready to back away from the gate, when suddenly we heard the engines power down.  We all groaned, and then the door opened and POLICE came marching in!  The FA led them to the poor young man, who was seated two rows behind me, and demanded that he be ejected from the flight.

    I thought this was excessive and unfair, so I stood up and tried to reason with the cops, telling them that he had not done anything wrong.  The FA LUNGED at me and screamed, LOUDLY, “I will not have anyone saying “F###! on my plane!  And if you don’t sit down and shut up, I’ll have YOU arrested!”  The poor young man pleaded with the FA and the cops, but no dice – off he went.  I couldn’t believe it, but I kept my mouth shut because the last thing I needed was to find myself cooling my heels in a jail cell in Vegas while my two small children were sent to child protective services!

    What irritated me the most was that my children never heard “that word” from the young man…but they sure heard it from that irate FA!

    I always felt bad for that poor guy and wished I’d had the nerve to stand up for him better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Sure, you start high, but not stratospheric.  Negotiations end quickly when one party isn’t negotiating in good faith. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I saw a gate agent threaten to kick a man off a flight because a late boarding passenger had a carryon and she was sitting in the exit row.  The gate agent boarded and demanded that the man allow the woman to put her carry by his feet.  He refused and she became unglued.  But I guess there were enough witnesses.

  • TonyA_says

    I agree. The OP did not bring up religion. He just ordered and did not get a certain type of special meal. Not all who buy kosher salt are necessarily observing a religious rite:-)

  • AH

     I just did a quick check of the fares on US Airways, and the lowest I found for advance purchase was over $225, so I’d say that his refund for that leg definitely covered his cab fare plus some.

  • Michael__K

    I seriously doubt a desk agent in EWR/LGA would have told any passenger to take a cab to Philly.

    Why would you doubt that?  Based on prior cases involving US Airways on this blog and based on personal observation I have little doubt that the OP’s options with US Airways were either to get to PHL on his own or to face being stranded indefinitely with no compensation for at least 21 hours and quite possibly even for 48, 72 hours etc.

    I disagree that this is mainly a product of US Airways’ limited transatlantic flight schedule.  It is mainly because of US Airways’ atypically uncompromising POLICIES.

    Reputable airlines will eventually endorse your ticket to another carrier.  United (post-merger warts and all) still has Rule 240 protections in their CoC.  US Airways has a completely different mentality and approach.

  • bodega3

    I am not a fan of USAIR but if the carrier told him or suggested he drive, then they would have canceled the first segment and noted in the PNR that the passenger would be picking up the second segment so the whole PNR wasn’t canceled.  Those records can be obtained,  or at least a TA would be able to get them if they had handled the original reservation in their GDS.

    Carriers don’t like to endorse over a ticket as they lose that revenue.  Did the OP ask about this?  Was this a possibility? 

  • TonyA_says

     What’s the difference?

    USAIR:
    Flight cancellations at the airport
    In the event of a
    flight cancellation at the airport, US Airways will do everything
    possible to reaccommodate customers on the next US Airways flight,
    providing space is available. The reaccommodation will depend on the
    type of ticket purchased, the reason for the flight irregularity and
    availability. In most instances US Airways will also rebook customers on
    other airlines.

    UNITED:
    Change in Schedule – When a Passenger’s Ticketed flight is affected because of a Change in Schedule, UA will, at its election, arrange one of the following:1)Transport the Passenger on its own flights, subject to availability, to the Destination, next Stopover point, or transfer point shown on its portion of the Ticket, without Stopover in the same class of service, at no additional cost to the Passenger;
    2)
    At UA’s discretion, reroute Passengers over the lines of one or more carriers in the same class of service when a Change in Schedule results in the cancellation of all UA service between two cities;

  • BlondieDC

    Whew!  Glad all the rude FAs are limited to United Airlines!  At least they keep ‘em all in one place!

  • Michael__K

    The relevant United provision is here:

    Rule 24 FLIGHT DELAYS/CANCELLATIONS/AIRCRAFT CHANGES  2) Delay, Misconnection or Cancellation…At the Passenger’s request, provided that the tariff covering the original transportation permits routing via the carrier which will transport the Passenger, UA will re-accommodate the Passenger in the same class of service on the next available flight on another carrier, or combination of carriers, if the length of the delay to the Passenger’s destination exceeds two hours.They won’t strand you for days and nights.  TWO HOURS is their threshold, even if they don’t have another scheduled flight for 24 hours..

  • Michael__K


    Carriers don’t like to endorse over a ticket as they lose that revenue

    Reputable carriers will nonetheless do that in my experience if the alternative is to strand passengers for many hours for a problem that is the airline’s fault.

    We’ve seen a few examples where US Airways simply doesn’t care even in a 24+ hour delay scenario.

    I’m curious: has anyone reading this seen US Airways endorse a ticket to another airline in the past 5 years?  What were the circumstances?

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    I have no sympathy for travelers who annoy others for their religious meals. and I don’t believe they are truly fervent religious. Let’s see their religious faith still there after 2 days without food. I personally know 5 people who ask for religious food because they know requested special meals are served first.  
    If you really fervent religious, take care of your own meals. Don’t say TSA confiscate your own meal, I always bring food on plane and nobody took it. 

  • http://thestockhome.com/ Josh S

    And don’t forget, the Philly-New York leg that was canceled would be x2, since he’s traveling with his son. I cannot imagine that even with wonky Airline accounting rules and steeply-discounted rates for advance nonrefundable tickets would work out to less than $50/person…

  • pauletteb

    What a whinger! You encounter people like Harris everywhere you go –stores, restaurants, airplanes, tourist destinations, etc. They spend their time looking for ways to be miserable and to spread their discontent. His request for a full refund because of a couple rude employees (who, if someone other than Harris’s son backs up his claims, should be disciplined or fired) is beyond ridiculous.

  • pauletteb

    I take food through airport security on almost every trip and have never had anything siezed.

  • LeeAnneClark

    And I’ve never had food make it past security…unless it was dry pre-packaged food such as a granola bar.  But anything that is remotely moist is in jeopardy of being seized.  Do you not remember “cupcake-gate”, in which a TSA screener stole a red-velvet cupcake because the frosting was considered a gel?

    I’ve had a ham sandwich confiscated because the mayo was a gel.  I also had my pasta primavera that was in a doggie bag from a restaurant IN THE AIRPORT (but outside the sterile area) taken…I guess the Alfredo sauce was considered a liquid?

    But then my sister had no problem with HER left-over pasta.  Maybe because it had a light tomato sauce rather than Alfredo?  Given the girth of the TSOs at that check point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked the leftovers that were more in line with their dining choices.

    Bottom line:  unless you are bringing dry food (which would not be satisfying to most people for a long international flight), you can’t count on being able to bring your own meals.

  • bodega3

    I have never had food taken from us by the TSA and I pack stuff to eat on the plane all the time.  Now what you can or can’t bring into a county isn’t regulated by the TSA but customs or in Hawaii, agricultural inspection officers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UXMZPQ4FW5NIVC526OBXHVUJBA Decent American

    As a person in the food industry I can attest to what a total and complete scam “KOSHER” is. We have found that to get our products “certified as Kosher”, we had to pay a stiff fee to the Rabbinical Council who would send a Rabbi to our facility and bless the food as “Kosher”, we would then certify our food. When they tried to shake us down for FIRST CLASS airfare for the Rabbi to come to our facility, we finally said no thank you. By the way the flight was from Chicago to Des Moines, a 45 minute flight at best. Kosher is a scam on everyone. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karen-Kinnane/1058152521 Karen Kinnane

    You can take food through the TSA screening with no problem. You can’t bring liquids through. Sandwiches sail through the screening process with no problem.